Why Don’t We See Miracles Like the Apostles Did?

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Jesus and the apostles healed everywhere they went....and their fame was spread abroad....when I see a man walk into Childrens Hospital and heal every kid in there and then stop by the morgue and raise numerous people from the dead.....................................
You go where you are sent, and minister as you are led. Just like the disciples did
 
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i think we dont see miracles today that much because we are disobedient and lack faith............. (in comparison to the apostles)
 
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i think we dont see miracles today that much because we are disobedient and lack faith............. (in comparison to the apostles)
Well not lacking the faith, We've all been given the same measure of faith but definitely disobedient

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
 
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I guess, I'm referring to healing, mostly. ☺
From a paper I wrote;

Do you even knowwhat Faith is, or what we are to be having FAITH in? I pondered these questionsand was surprised at what I found. The scriptures tell us to have faith for oursalvation, and that faith is not even ours Eph 2:8, for theFather gives us that, and again scripture tells us that if we have faith thesize of a mustard seed we could move mountains Matt.21: 21. So what is thisFAITH, where does it come from, and is it only from the Father above?
I once asked apastor friend about faith healing, he told me that if a person were weak intheir faith in the Father (GOD) they probably would not be healed. He said weare so tuned to man’s wisdom and his ways for healing. This made since, but isit true? and if this is correct then why do we look to man? Proverbs 2:1-22tells us that “Yahweh gives Wisdom”, and out of His mouth comes Knowledge andUnderstanding. In Hosea 14:9 scripture say’s “only the righteous hear Yah”, andagain in Hosea 4:6, it says my people are destroyed for a lack ofknowledge. Matt. 15:1-9 says they,(people) worship me in vain, for they teach the commandments of men, and keephis [man’s] doctrines. We know this to be true. TV and magazine ads tell us tolook to our doctors for help, and their medicines to keep us well. Lawyers arealways eager to sue someone on your behalf, real estate people always say nowis the time to buy, and we can’t forget the banks, credit card and loancompanies. I can see where the scriptures are right on here.
Men’s values havechanged over time. It is believed by the mass population that there is asupreme being (a god), but most don’t believe in him for anything other thangoing to Heaven or to Hell. Many people go to “church” simply because they feelit is the right thing to do, or because their family or friends go, somebecause their pastor expects them to be there. They sing their songs, say theirprayers and say Amen and Halleluyah, but is this FAITH? 1Peter 1:18 says youare not redeemed by tradition, and in Mark 7:8-13 you hold the traditions ofmen.
Faith is as in theNew Testament Words Dictionary: trust worthiness and faithful, fidelity andsteadiness, expectation and hope of what is believed.
Faith is defined as: a firm persuasion, a conviction basedupon hearing and an assurance in relation to Yah (God), as distinct from faithin man.
Did you know thatFAITH is a two way street. We all want and expect something from our HeavenlyFather, but did you know He wants and expects something from us in return?Hebrews 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he thatcometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligentlyseek him. Have you ever stopped to thinkthat maybe our Father might want some recognition other than while you are inchurch for the things He has done for us? Lets look at the definition of faith;trust worthiness, we expect the Father to be TRUST WORTHY, but can he trustus to be trust worthy? He gave us a list of commandments to use as aguide so as to please Him. Do you know what they are? Most people will readilysay the 10 commandments but, do youknow what they are? Others will say we are no longer under these laws.Yasha (the Savior) said in Matt. 22, 'Love your Heavenly Father with all of your heart and with all your soul andwith all your mind.' This is the first and the greatest commandment. And thesecond is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Laws and theProphets are based on these two commandments." Did you grasp whatthis is saying? We are to put our Heavenly Father first before all things.Everything we do in life should be based on putting HIM our Heavenly Fatherfirst. Think about it, if He’s not first on your list of priorities then yournot going to be first on His either. TheFirst Commandment says you shall have no other gods before me. In Exodus 20,Yah states who He is and why He does not allow other gods before Him. He is thecreator of all life. He sent His son Yasha to be a sacrifice for us, and threwHIM; He offers us deliverance from slavery, or bondage, to self-indulgence andor self-destructive behavior (sin) Gal. 5: 19-26, 19 the works of the flesh aremanifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20. Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred,variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21. Envying, murders, drunkenness, revellings,and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in timepast, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love,joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23. Meekness, temperance: against such there isno law. 24. And they that are Christ'shave crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk inthe Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another,envying one another. Romans 16:26-27 But now is made manifest, and by thescriptures of the prophets, according to the commandments of the everlastingGod, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 27. To Yah only wise, be glory through Yasha theChrist for ever. Amen.
The fourth commandment says to remember the Sabbath day and keep itholy. Are you keeping the Sabbath? Or do you do your own thing? 2Tim. 2: sayseveryone (that means every individual) has to study the words of Yah, to showthemselves approved for the kingdom of Yah. Matt.18: 1-5 says you must becomeas little children to enter the Kingdom of God. Are you wondering what thatmeans to become as little children? Its rather simple actually, have youwatched a child at play? They are very inquisitive, always asking why this orwhy that, and they trust in things not seen or understood. Luke 16:15 say’sthat which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of Yah.Things that you place a high value to; job, sports, entertainment, etc, theFather doesn’t place value on.
There is howevermuch value placed on FAITH in the scriptures, 2Cor. 5:7 for we walk by Faith,not by sight, it even goes on to say youcannot please the Father without FAITH.
So what have welearned about faith? You can’t please the Father without it. (Hebrews 11) It issomething that He has given to us (Rom. 12). We trust the Father to do thingsfor us by faith, Hebrews 11: 1 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, theevidence of things not seen. He has to be put at the top of our priority listif we wish to receive blessings from Him. 1Cor. 2:5 your faith should not standin the wisdom of men, but in the power of God (Yah).
 

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Why Don’t We See Miracles Like the Apostles Did?

Are we not Spirit filled like they were or is it from lack of faith, prayer, or fasting?

I believe we experience some miracles but nothing like they did.
The manifestation of the out pouring of the Holy Spirit in the days of the Apostles is not seen so much today because the message they preached is not heard today.

The out pouring of the early and latter rain of the Holy Spirit is first a message and then the gifts of the Spirit are a witness to that Message.

If the message is not right then the Spirit can not bear witness to it. Many have truth but not the whole message. They have error mixed with truth. When we pray for the out pouring the first thing we should expect is a greater understanding of the message to be given to the world. Then the Spirit will bear witness to it powerfully as God did in the early church.

ps I can provide scripture if you desire.

Blessings.
 
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The manifestation of the out pouring of the Holy Spirit in the days of the Apostles is not seen so much today because the message they preached is not heard today.

The out pouring of the early and latter rain of the Holy Spirit is first a message and then the gifts of the Spirit are a witness to that Message.

If the message is not right then the Spirit can not bear witness to it. Many have truth but not the whole message. They have error mixed with truth. When we pray for the out pouring the first thing we should expect is a greater understanding of the message to be given to the world. Then the Spirit will bear witness to it powerfully as God did in the early church.

ps I can provide scripture if you desire.

Blessings.
[h=1]Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.



[h=1]Mark 16:20 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]And they went out and proclaimed everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the message by the accompanying signs.
 

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God gets all the glory and we are nothing without Him.
Actually people like Benny Hinn rob God of His glory. If Hinn was a genuine miracle worker he would (a) hold to sound doctrine, (b) go about his business of healing daily and in every location without seeking publicity or fanfare, (c) refrain from asking for cash and lots of it, and (d) maintain a modest and humble lifestyle.

As to the question of the OP, the Apostolic Period of Church history is over. Healing comes through the prayers of the elders (James 5:13-20)

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Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

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Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:


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And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


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Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.


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Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.


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And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.


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Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;


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Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
 
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gotime

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Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.



Mark 16:20 (CJB)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they went out and proclaimed everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the message by the accompanying signs.
This is what was Prophesied by Joel as it is written:

Joe 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
Joe 2:24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.

The words translated "Former rain moderately" can also be translated, Teacher of righteousness. See margin of bible or look up Hebrew for conformation.

Thus a message has to be given and then Joel says:

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

The working of the Spirit comes after the message of the Spirit falls like rain.

Deu 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


Jesus taught them the message He was the teacher of righteousness. And when the Spirit gave them understanding of the message so that they could proclaim it then The Gifts of the Spirit were manifest to give witness to the message that it was from God.

However we live in the time of the latter rain which is different to the former rain of Pentecost.

What is the Difference? IT is the same message of salvation but in an end time context. Revelation reveals the context. The Gospels reveal the message.

So in order to give the right message that God can bear witness to , one needs to both understand the good news and also how it relates to the last days. The message or latter rain message is found in Revelation 14, Once it is given the harvester/Jesus will come as it is written:

Mar 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.


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Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.


The message is the three messages that come in Revelation 14 just before this. They are the end time aspect of the messages. The Gospel centred part is the three great convictions of the Holy Spirit that Jesus told of here:



Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The 144,000 in the beginning of Revelation 14 are the first to grasp the message and then give it. That is why they are refered to as the firstfruits. That is Harvest language, they are the first of a greater harvest to come. They are like the end time apostles so to speak. but they are anyone who allows Gods message to fall on them. In chapter 7 we see the same group but also the rest of the harvest called the great multitude that can not be numbered.

Hope that spawns some study and interest. if not that is ok.
 

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Jesus and the apostles healed everywhere they went....and their fame was spread abroad....when I see a man walk into Childrens Hospital and heal every kid in there and then stop by the morgue and raise numerous people from the dead.....................................
Actually that's not true. Scripture says there were places where Jesus could not heal or do miracles because of people's unbelief.

And please, show me one example where Jesus emptied a hospital and/or morgue.
 
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Actually that's not true. Scripture says there were places where Jesus could not heal or do miracles because of people's unbelief.

And please, show me one example where Jesus emptied a hospital and/or morgue.
Good point DC my friend...Your words above are spoken in unbelief. I can understand the why of it, your son, but you have to decide to believe Gods Word before you will see the promise. You have the faith....now....Believe.
 

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Actually that's not true. Scripture says there were places where Jesus could not heal or do miracles because of people's unbelief.

And please, show me one example where Jesus emptied a hospital and/or morgue.
There is a big different between the days of Jesus walk on earth and today. All people who came to Him where
healed. This is not today!!!!! The reason for that I find in John 20,30-31. All the miracles and healings had never the goal to build a world of physical healed people. Our souls and the relationship to the Father was his goal for the people. For that he died! All people whom he has healed ore showed his miracles later died. All!
 
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There is a big different between the days of Jesus walk on earth and today. All people who came to Him where
healed. This is not today!!!!! The reason for that I find in John 20,30-31. All the miracles and healings had never the goal to build a world of physical healed people. Our souls and the relationship to the Father was his goal for the people. For that he died! All people whom he has healed ore showed his miracles later died. All!
You go where you are sent. If you go ahead of God you waste your time.
 

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I feel it is because of lack of faith and probably we are afraid to exercise our faith by applying it.
When the disciples asked Jesus why we couldnt do it in Matthew 17:20 Jesus answered

He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
And in Luke 17:6 Jesus said to his disciples about faith
The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6And the Lord answered, “If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.
May the Lord help us to increase our faith & exercise it for God's glory.
 

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mine says He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
It is His nature to heal and restore , we need only access it through Jesus.
He was and is our model.
 
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I feel it is because of lack of faith and probably we are afraid to exercise our faith by applying it.
When the disciples asked Jesus why we couldnt do it in Matthew 17:20 Jesus answered

He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
And in Luke 17:6 Jesus said to his disciples about faith
The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6And the Lord answered, “If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.
May the Lord help us to increase our faith & exercise it for God's glory.
Lack of faith....What a crock! Firstly Its not our faith we're working with here. Second Jesus gave us HIS faith to every man (and woman of course) was given the measure of faith. "The measure" means there is only one measure of faith given to people and its all the same amount. So tell me how anybody can have "not enough faith" If you are going to be the expert here, at least go by the Word. So little faith in use is another thing. You have the faith...USE IT!
 

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You go where you are sent. If you go ahead of God you waste your time.
Thank you, you are right, I waste my time here. It is not my call to convince people from their false view. But I must tell you, what you are spreading here is not the truth.
 
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Thank you, you are right, I waste my time here. It is not my call to convince people from their false view. But I must tell you, what you are spreading here is not the truth.
Well, its not doctrine.....Its Word. Think what you will.
 

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Lack of faith....What a crock! Firstly Its not our faith we're working with here. Second Jesus gave us HIS faith to every man (and woman of course) was given the measure of faith. "The measure" means there is only one measure of faith given to people and its all the same amount. So tell me how anybody can have "not enough faith" If you are going to be the expert here, at least go by the Word. So little faith in use is another thing. You have the faith...USE IT!
Can't rep anyone until time is up...but a big Amen! We move on His Faith...there's when miracles happen. Just realize this not long ago.
 
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Why Don’t We See Miracles Like the Apostles Did?

I believe it is a 2 fold issue....

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The lack of teaching people on how to hear the Spirit and then be led by the Spirit

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Humility, proper motive and obedience.