Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.

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MattTooFor

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Bladerunner said:

Now, I am not saying you will go to Hell,,,,NO just 'LEFT-BEHIND'. When you see the strange unexplainable disappearance of millions of people around the world, are you still still going to deny God's Word or will you place yourself on his side and offer yourself up to become one of the multitude of Martyrs that will become Saints as well.[/COLOR]
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Is tanakh considered an "unbeliever" around these parts? Just curious. I'm a bit new here.
 
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MattTooFor

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ChosenbyHim said:
No, you reprobate.

The King James Holy Bible is the blessed and perfect and infallible word of God. And while Scofield was not perfect, he sure had really good sound doctrine. And again, although Scofield was not perfect, be assured that the King James Bible is perfect.
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I grew up in Germany. Where was my "perfect" Bible? Just curious.
 
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MattTooFor

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Demi777 said:
WHAAA
I live in germany
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Wirklich? Wo wohnen Sie in Deutschland? Vielleicht moechten Sie nicht sagen. Ich wohnte in Allgau, ein bisschen nordlich von Fuessen.

OK, that's all the German you're getting out of me. It has about 40 years of rust build-up!
 
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Echt jetzt? Ich wohne in Rheinland-Pfalz in der neahe von Bad Kreuznach. :D haha cool kaum zu glauben!
God bless!! hehe

MattTooFor said:
Wirklich? Wo wohnen Sie in Deutschland? Vielleicht moechten Sie nicht sagen. Ich wohnte in Allgau, ein bisschen nordlich von Fuessen.

OK, that's all the German you're getting out of me. It has about 40 years of rust build-up!
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Spurgeoncy said:
Failure to correctly identify the two Olive Trees will result in fallacious conclusions old boy.

Who are the Two Olive Trees?

The tended Olive Tree is the House Of Israel as represented in The House Of Judah, the wild Olive Tree is the House Of Israel as represented in the House OF Ephraim.

Isaiah 17 6 Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the Lord God of Israel.
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There are Two Olive trees that are the Two Witnesses. And the example of the olive trees here have nothing to do with what you suggest, they are Gentiles and Israel. You suggesting that Ephraim is not a natural branch is way off kilter.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
No, you reprobate.

The King James Holy Bible is the blessed and perfect and infallible word of God. And while Scofield was not perfect, he sure had really good sound doctrine. And again, although Scofield was not perfect, be assured that the King James Bible is perfect.
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[video=youtube;DHBvSRD3luE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBvSRD3luE[/video]

Heresies of C.I. Scofield
 
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Rondonmon said:
There are Two Olive trees that are the Two Witnesses. And the example of the olive trees here have nothing to do with what you suggest, they are Gentiles and Israel. You suggesting that Ephraim is not a natural branch is way off kilter.
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If you have a kidney transplant and you get your brother's kidney, it is not your natural kidney.
 
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Rondonmon said:
There are Two Olive trees that are the Two Witnesses. And the example of the olive trees here have nothing to do with what you suggest, they are Gentiles and Israel. You suggesting that Ephraim is not a natural branch is way off kilter.
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Jer 11:16
 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair with goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
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enough said
 
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MattTooFor said:
Is tanakh considered an "unbeliever" around these parts? Just curious. I'm a bit new here.
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only to those who believe they have a personal Hot line to the Holy Spirit about the last days and other matters and think anyone else is not only wrong but an apostate for daring to disagree with them.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I thought Jesus was the olive tree and Israel was the fig tree, no?
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I agree kjv. The fig tree is symbolic of men covering themselves with their own "good works" in order to please God. Following the law or just believing mankind is good. Seen in Adam and Eve, and was also the tree that Jesus cursed. Jesus Himself would be the representation of the oil of the Menorrah...Light of the World, the only Good man...etc.
 
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tanakh said:
only to those who believe they have a personal Hot line to the Holy Spirit about the last days and other matters and think anyone else is not only wrong but an apostate for daring to disagree with them.
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sadly there are plenty of such people out there, a while back I saw a video someone suggested to me it was a prophetess on youtube and I could tell she was fake but I didn't have to tell her because someone already called her out on it and her response was this verse

Psalm 105:15 Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm." some people apparently view themselves so highly and so connected to God that they believe they are being attacked if someone doesn't believe them.
 
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I am post going to post this and everyone can take what they want from it but wow talk about spot on

[video=youtube;Gr1IMYYirmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1IMYYirmk[/video]
 
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The Tree is the Family of God, the Branches were Israel, they were CUT OFF, and the Gentiles via Christ were Grafted in. I did an Exegesis on this somewhere a while back explaining why the Gentile Church and Israel are Different Entities...
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I haven't yet read all of the thread but I did see this after KJV's post on the previous page. I would put forth that the tree is God our Father...for this reason. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

I also see the tree that Holy Spirit put the axe to as the tree of knowledge of good and evil which produced "flesh" of men. Born from above? The tree of Life. I was going to post this elsewhere but this fits here

Jesus is the Vine...we branches...God the tree. The Vine climbs all over the tree...holding the branches securely.

The two olive trees in Zechariah are those of the body of Christ who have received the fullness of the Spirit. Full of light, illuminating oil. Oil of His presence. A goal we all should be aiming for. IMPO.
 
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Blain said:
I am post going to post this and everyone can take what they want from it but wow talk about spot on

[video=youtube;Gr1IMYYirmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1IMYYirmk[/video]
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The guy who makes this show is an atheist and thinks this now it's one thing for the world to think and say this about us but when the Christians agree with them..... I think we need to change
 
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stonesoffire said:
I haven't yet read all of the thread but I did see this after KJV's post on the previous page. I would put forth that the tree is God our Father...for this reason. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

I also see the tree that Holy Spirit put the axe to as the tree of knowledge of good and evil which produced "flesh" of men. Born from above? The tree of Life. I was going to post this elsewhere but this fits here

Jesus is the Vine...we branches...God the tree. The Vine climbs all over the tree...holding the branches securely.

The two olive trees in Zechariah are those of the body of Christ who have received the fullness of the Spirit. Full of light, illuminating oil. Oil of His presence. A goal we all should be aiming for. IMPO.
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I don't think I was right on that stonesoffire.... it does look like Israel is the olve tree.
 
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The fig tree is the symbol of Israel. The olive branch is the emblem. The palm tree has meaning too. An upright walk. Sycamore, fruit of His Spirit.
 
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MattTooFor said:
I grew up in Germany. Where was my "perfect" Bible? Just curious.
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You can access a reliable foreign translation in your country, as long as that foreign translation is translated from the same Hebrew and Greek texts which the King James Bible was translated from. Or of course if you want to read a perfect Bible, then simply buy a copy of the King James Bible.
 
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