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Fyi: blade runner thinks the Bible says the Earth is flat. See the link to the blog post he posted in thread. Though I don't agree, he does include scripture. If you wish to discuss the topic, he has a thread about it.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141845-globe-snowglobe.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141845-globe-snowglobe.html
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Thanks for posting mailmandan. I like the picture of Jerry Seinfeld. I have found it to be a fairly common idea that there are three heavens in the Bible. In my opinion, people began to cultivate this idea because they read the scripture: "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven." It only seems to make sense that there are at least three heavens since how could there be a third one without there being a first and a second one. However, the term 'third' in the Bible is a buzzword, a parable word if you will, used to indicate believers. We read about that in places like: "In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:", and "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.", and "I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." Since the term 'third' is indicating God's people, the true believers, the term 'third heaven' is really the Bible's way of saying 'the true believers' heaven', which is simply heaven. While it is true that we can look up at the sky and call that heaven or the stars and outer space and call that heaven if we want to, the real heaven being spoken of in the Bible is simply heaven itself and, in my opinion, there is just one of them being referred to.
such an one caught up to the third heaven." It only seems to make sense that there are at least three heavens since how could there be a third one without there being a first and a second one. However, the term 'third' in the Bible is a buzzword, a parable word if you will, used to indicate believers. We read about that in places like: "In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:", and "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.", and "I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." Since the term 'third' is indicating God's people, the true believers, the term 'third heaven' is really the Bible's way of saying 'the true believers' heaven', which is simply heaven. While it is true that we can look up at the sky and call that heaven or the stars and outer space and call that heaven if we want to, the real heaven being spoken of in the Bible is simply heaven itself and, in my opinion, there is just one of them being referred to.
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how do you know......The deepest hole ever built is by the Russians and they only got around 8 miles down and then for three years everything failed at one time or the other and they finally quit.
That is not deep enough to get past the Crust (top section)as determined by NASA.
Our ground piercing radar can only reach a few feet.
I always love how we are told what is where and there is no proof..We are gullible and these days take anything as Gospel from NASA.
Oh, by the way...NASA is setting up a practice area that they say is akin to Mars' topography on a Hawaiian island where a volcano is located.
My best guess,, is that if we put a color lens over the camera we can make it look like the surface of Mars. The Planet Mars that is not there.
you never did answer me...I will ask again...
The Sun , Moon and Stars were all put in the Firmament. Genesis 1:16,17
"16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"
We are spinning 1000 miles per hour, going around the Sun at 60,000 miles per hour and traveling through YOUR MilkyWay at some 515,000 miles per hour.
My question:
If the stars according to NASA and other astronomers are millions of miles away and their placement gives us our Zodiac,
How can we still see the Zodiac and same stars every night??
In fact, How can NASA calculated what star was were....when Jesus was born??
(i.e. the star in the sky of baby Jesus was Venus and Mars) or that is what we are told.
The Sun , Moon and Stars were all put in the Firmament. Genesis 1:16,17
"16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"
We are spinning 1000 miles per hour, going around the Sun at 60,000 miles per hour and traveling through YOUR MilkyWay at some 515,000 miles per hour.
My question:
If the stars according to NASA and other astronomers are millions of miles away and their placement gives us our Zodiac,
How can we still see the Zodiac and same stars every night??
In fact, How can NASA calculated what star was were....when Jesus was born??
(i.e. the star in the sky of baby Jesus was Venus and Mars) or that is what we are told.
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The sun is a picture of Christ (Psalm 19:5). The moon is a picture of the law (Jer 31:35) and the stars are pictures of believers (Gen 15:5, Rev 1:20). Birds are pictures of believers and that is why they are in heaven (Psalm 50:11, Luke 13:19), which is another way of saying that they are in Christ.
A good question to ask. When the Bible talks about foundations it is talking about Christ: "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Since we are talking about the foundations of the earth, the clincher would be to try and understand what the Bible means when it uses the word 'earth'. Is it meaning the entire planet, as many surface readers assume, or is it talking about a group of persons?
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Wow, blade runner. You don't have much science or Bible background do you?
I have never heard that Venus and mars was the Star announcing Jesus birth.
Mainly because they aren't NEW. People way before Jesus was born saw and recorded them.
Also the stars in the Zodiac have changed positions and the tilt of the Earth has changed slightly (figured if you want to talk about the "foundation" of the Earth moving folks should look into that)
Imagine if God decided to change the tilt of Earth's axis in a day instead of thousands of years. Or an Earth that wasn't tilted. Where all the landmass was located in the equator and it was the same season all year.
Science looks at the world as it appears at this moment.
What would take man and nature thousands of years, God could do in a blink of an eye.
We can "age" things as well to appear to be heard older than the object actually is. Con artist sometimes age new painting to claim they were made by long dead artist.....yes they can test that, but don't you think God can make things appear old to befuddle the minds of men?
I have never heard that Venus and mars was the Star announcing Jesus birth.
Mainly because they aren't NEW. People way before Jesus was born saw and recorded them.
Also the stars in the Zodiac have changed positions and the tilt of the Earth has changed slightly (figured if you want to talk about the "foundation" of the Earth moving folks should look into that)
Imagine if God decided to change the tilt of Earth's axis in a day instead of thousands of years. Or an Earth that wasn't tilted. Where all the landmass was located in the equator and it was the same season all year.
Science looks at the world as it appears at this moment.
What would take man and nature thousands of years, God could do in a blink of an eye.
We can "age" things as well to appear to be heard older than the object actually is. Con artist sometimes age new painting to claim they were made by long dead artist.....yes they can test that, but don't you think God can make things appear old to befuddle the minds of men?
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What makes you think NASA is out to get you, deceive you, lie to you, does the bible say watch out for NASA.. Is the creation of the microwave oven evil, is your computer your using evil, your car, my Lord man the conspiracy stuff will eat you alive and keep your mind in a cave.
Our whole solar system is in the middle of one of spiral arms of our galaxy. Our galaxy is the size of a grain of sand compared to the whole universe which has billions of Galaxy.
Who told you Venus and Mars is baby Jesus that so far out in space it's not even funny... I just can't do such primitive stuff the flat out propaganda to discredit the learning of advance teachings of the universe and our world.
Our whole solar system is in the middle of one of spiral arms of our galaxy. Our galaxy is the size of a grain of sand compared to the whole universe which has billions of Galaxy.
Who told you Venus and Mars is baby Jesus that so far out in space it's not even funny... I just can't do such primitive stuff the flat out propaganda to discredit the learning of advance teachings of the universe and our world.
Oh my,,,, whether it is the tilt of the earth's axis or a nebula that is between us and the normal stars we see in the night sky How can we still see them over 6,000 years (not 40,000), all in the same place.
My question is still not answered... Here it is again...
The stars are millions of Light years (386.000 miles per hour = 1 light year) away from us...Yet they make up a zodiac that both man and the Bible tell us about. Now what happens if a Nebula comes between us and those stars....What happens if our solar system is rotating on its axis. Could we still see them...?
The answer to all these question is NO,NO,NO. Think about it.... We are Spinning at 1000 miles per hour. The stars are only in our night sky. Are the same stars in the night sky in Japan when we are having daylight.
Also, we are traveling around the sun at 60,000 miles per hour. Are the stars keeping up with us..... Put a piece of paper on the refrig. door ( this is the zodiac and stars we see at night). No take a basket ball and put it in the middle of the room. Now take a golf ball in you hand and mark it on one side (night and day) and rotate the golf ball in your hand while walking around the basket ball in an elliptical circle . (solar system going around the sun). In that elliptical circle, walk out one door of the house and walk around the house and come in the back door. (our solar systems path around the Milky Way).
Well.....was you able to see those same stars every night....
And one other thing and that is: IS the Milky Way is spinning itself and we know the stars are within the MW.
Where are we at now??????my head is spinning...Oh My! Only NASA could tell a lie and make it come true.
We see this old adage applied to politics all the time.Yes NASA uses it as well.:" If you tell a LIE long enough, it will become the TRUTH."
The only way we could see the stars every night is if the stars are within the firmament (first heaven) which God tells us about. As far as the birds flying in the firmament so the stars cannot be there. I am driving on the ground around the firmament so the Birds cannot really fly in the firmament.
as far as the statement you made:"I have never heard that Venus and mars was the Star announcing Jesus birth."
This statement has been used from time to time trying to explain why this STAR was so bright that night. In other words, trying to dispute or belittle Baby Jesus......Sound like anyone you know of..????????
I understand you don't want to look at it for fear of what you might find. GOD!
It is ok....but that does not explain the fact the world does not MOVE and the sun stood still and even backed up in the past.
I do believe God told us it did,,,,,so I believe HIM.....regardless of what NASA says.
My question is still not answered... Here it is again...
The stars are millions of Light years (386.000 miles per hour = 1 light year) away from us...Yet they make up a zodiac that both man and the Bible tell us about. Now what happens if a Nebula comes between us and those stars....What happens if our solar system is rotating on its axis. Could we still see them...?
The answer to all these question is NO,NO,NO. Think about it.... We are Spinning at 1000 miles per hour. The stars are only in our night sky. Are the same stars in the night sky in Japan when we are having daylight.
Also, we are traveling around the sun at 60,000 miles per hour. Are the stars keeping up with us..... Put a piece of paper on the refrig. door ( this is the zodiac and stars we see at night). No take a basket ball and put it in the middle of the room. Now take a golf ball in you hand and mark it on one side (night and day) and rotate the golf ball in your hand while walking around the basket ball in an elliptical circle . (solar system going around the sun). In that elliptical circle, walk out one door of the house and walk around the house and come in the back door. (our solar systems path around the Milky Way).
Well.....was you able to see those same stars every night....
And one other thing and that is: IS the Milky Way is spinning itself and we know the stars are within the MW.
Where are we at now??????my head is spinning...Oh My! Only NASA could tell a lie and make it come true.
We see this old adage applied to politics all the time.Yes NASA uses it as well.:" If you tell a LIE long enough, it will become the TRUTH."
The only way we could see the stars every night is if the stars are within the firmament (first heaven) which God tells us about. As far as the birds flying in the firmament so the stars cannot be there. I am driving on the ground around the firmament so the Birds cannot really fly in the firmament.
as far as the statement you made:"I have never heard that Venus and mars was the Star announcing Jesus birth."
This statement has been used from time to time trying to explain why this STAR was so bright that night. In other words, trying to dispute or belittle Baby Jesus......Sound like anyone you know of..????????
I understand you don't want to look at it for fear of what you might find. GOD!
It is ok....but that does not explain the fact the world does not MOVE and the sun stood still and even backed up in the past.
I do believe God told us it did,,,,,so I believe HIM.....regardless of what NASA says.
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Lord, I need your help.
Have no clue how to respond to that.
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Matthew 2:1-12New International Version (NIV)
The Magi Visit the Messiah
2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:
6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
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Sorry, Venus or Mars didn't wander over Earth and light up Jesus birth place.
Will pray that your heart is not so harden with pride, that you won't repent and pray and ask God for His truth.
Have no clue how to respond to that.
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Matthew 2:1-12New International Version (NIV)
The Magi Visit the Messiah
2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:
6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
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Sorry, Venus or Mars didn't wander over Earth and light up Jesus birth place.
Will pray that your heart is not so harden with pride, that you won't repent and pray and ask God for His truth.
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the earth moves rotates and if you would actually pay attention to the night sky you would see that, and yes Mars is real go buy you a telescope and look at it for once in your life.. You listen and watch to much YouTube garage I can till cause most of the stuff you say comes from those YouTube junk vids...
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I think it's amazing to watch the different phases of the moon or even map the planet's in their orbits.
If you understand how the Earth moves through space you can see the different meteor showers as we move through that region of space. It is pretty constant schedule.
Meteor Shower Calendar : American Meteor Society
God created the universe. God wrote the Bible. They don't contradict one another.
If people think they do, it's because they are either ignorant of the universe or ignorant of what the Bible actually says. Neither scientist or biblical scholars are 100% correct in their understanding of God's created universe.
If you understand how the Earth moves through space you can see the different meteor showers as we move through that region of space. It is pretty constant schedule.
Meteor Shower Calendar : American Meteor Society
God created the universe. God wrote the Bible. They don't contradict one another.
If people think they do, it's because they are either ignorant of the universe or ignorant of what the Bible actually says. Neither scientist or biblical scholars are 100% correct in their understanding of God's created universe.
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