God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.

[bluto]

Of course it does. Are you really saying that God is a created Being? That God is not self existent? That He is not the prime mover? You are saying He is not the prime cause, but that something else preceded Him, and brought Him into existence? Surely you have some grasp of the fact that this is a Christian forum, and that Christians believe God to be eternal, having neither beginning nor end?

I'm sorry magenta, that is not what he is saing. God is the primary cause of everything. What I am saying is that if a person should ask "Who created God" what would you say? What I am saying is that nweton in answering my question gave the correct answer. That is the qusestion is irrevelant because it does not matter who created God. What matters is the fact that God is the last person one is accounted to?

In other words as I explained that if you have a case no matter what the case may be in our system of law, that is the United States then the last resort you have appeal to is the Supreme Court which as the "Final" say on any matter. There no appeal after the Supreme Court which means, it does not matter who created God because your finally at the end of your ropek, so to speakl. In other words, the Supreme Court is the last word just like God has the last word. In short, you are accountable to God, period, end of story which means who ever created God is not an issue.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

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Genesis 1:1 implies that before God created the heavens and the earth there was nothing.

God has always existed.. He is forever, eternal..

 

[followjesus]

Before God there was nothing, and as God continues, everything that exists is because of Him. To those of us who love Him, He is our benefactor,as we abide in the love He has for us.


Because He loves the world in which He created, and He saw that not everyone knew of Him, and therefore risked dying in the flesh, He sent his only son he directed to convey His Light to the world, that those who believe in Him will be saved. We are all sons and daughters of God,but it was to Jesus to enlighten the world.


In John 14:6, Jesus says “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” He made that distinction because there were many who let their traditions cloudy their perception of God, and God's Message became clouded and distorted. Jesus came along to set the love of God as it should be.


All blessings come from God. DEUTERONOMY 28 lists the blessings if we faithfully obey His Voice. This is part of the divine Covenant with Him, but the Covenant must be upheld. Woe to those who purposefully go astray.


We see those in the world who have been tempted by the sins therein.There are those who attend a church service, yet miss the point of going to church. Some use their audience, brought together through their faith, to level earthly criticisms at others which has no place in such a gathering. What do ratings of TV personalities have to do with God's Love and our love for each other? Yet these same people,after they've leveled their spew, will leave the gathering and do things lie continue to ignore Leviticus 19:18 and 19:34. Where is their love? It is certainly not for us who love God and each other.


Nonetheless they try to impress us by their calling out “Lord, Lord,” making sure people see them and feeling hurt if they don't. Their faith in God ended with the first neighbor they shut out, and the first poor and needy person they ignored, focusing only on themselves.


UnderGod, such people don't last, and if they lead nations, God replaces them in favor of those who may lead under God's Authority.


God is the beginning and the end, and as long as He exists there is life for us.

Great post !

john 15:8-11 "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10IF YE KEEP my commandments, YE SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full."

John 15:14-15 "Ye are my friends, IF YE DO WHATSOEVER I COMMAND YOU. 15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for ALL THINGS that I HAVE HEARD of my Father I HAVE MADE KNOWN "unto you."

JOHN 14: 26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU."

after the cross....
Matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to THEM THAT LOVE GOD, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

1 john 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, and . 3For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are NOT GRIEVOUS."

really good post Just wanted to add some scripture thank you for taking the time to post.

 

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Let me play "Devils advocate" and ask the following question which you will get not only from athesist but others as well. The question is, "Who created God?" How would you anwser? If you say "He's always existed" what kind of an answer/analogy would you give them to make your point that God has always existed as proof of His existence?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You cannot offer proof.. You can only offer reasoning.. For anything to exist a original cuase must exist and that original thing must have always existed to cause all other things to come into existence.. That thing is God and God is not a thing.. God is a thinking intelligence a relating being..

 

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***Ultimately, to paraphrase Jesus, I answer to God, not to men. God ultimately judges my life, not men.

Yes indeed and if you keep declaring God to be a created being you shall face the judgement of God.. God makes it clear through scripture that He has always existed..

Psalm 90: KJV
1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world,even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


From everlasting.. Meaning always existing into the past.
To everlasting.. Meaning He shall always exist into the future..

 

[Magenta]

I'm sorry magenta, that is not what he is saing.

Since he refused flatly to answer the questions, your confidence appears at best to be based on shaky ground. You can assume as much as you like, however, do not try to force your seemingly ill founded assumptions on me, thank you very much

 

[posthuman]

As far as our faith in God is concerned, whoever created God has no relevance. If someone was building a house for you, would it really matter to you as to who created him at that point? But faith comes in when things cannot be explained.

this sounds almost like LDS doctrine - teaching that God was created, was once a man who became elevated to godhood, was the son of another god, who was the sun of another god, etc etc --- which, when confronted with the obvious question which follows,

"why don't we worship god the grandfather or god the great grandfather instead-of/in-addition-to god the father?"
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they reply,

"Jehovah is the only god with whom we have to do"
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as though this somehow unravels the theological gordian knot that's come out of their mouth.

such a reply does nothing to address the blasphemy in LDS theology any more than saying "it is irrelevant who created our god" -- that is something you simply cannot wave a hand and dismiss, to a thinking man.

 

[Zmouth]

Before God there was nothing,

'Eternal' represents a living thing or being which has always existed, which exists, and will continue to exist without end. While the 'Eternal' can not be created, nor can it be destroyed, it also can not change form or nature. Thus, there could be no 'before Eternal' since that which is believed to be eternal has a beginning then it is not eternal. Thus, the universe and everything within it can not be eternal since all things therein had a beginning.

And from the known and observed universe, anything which has a beginning of life in this universe will have a end of life. This fact is also written by the son of David himself who wrote in Ecclesiastes 3:2; A time to be born, and a time to die; . And again it is written in the passage of John 5:39, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." However, as written in John 3:20, "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

 

[posthuman]

***Ultimately, to paraphrase Jesus, I answer to God, not to men.

you might be paraphrasing Peter, actually, who said

"we must obey God rather than men"
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but this same apostle wrote

"always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have"
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and

"honor all men"
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[posthuman]

Psalm 90: KJV
1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


From everlasting.. Meaning always existing into the past.
To everlasting.. Meaning He shall always exist into the future..

Who was, Who is, Who is yet to come.

this is why His name is I AM

the phrase "previous to God" or "after God" is as meaningless as "x > ∞"

 

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As far as our faith in God is concerned, whoever created God has no relevance. If someone was building a house for you, would it really matter to you as to who created him at that point? But faith comes in when things cannot be explained.

But this one is explained. God is eternal; thus, no "before God."

I don't have blind faith. I have faith in God because God gave it to me, and I can see it because of that faith he gave to me.

 

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What the heck is kind of answer are you giving? I don't know newoton anymore that I know you so what gives you the right to "diss" newton? He gave a completely "cogent" answser in that it does not matter the revelance of the question. If you were to sue somebody (as an example) and you did not get satisfaction in a lower court so it finall went to a higher court such as the Supreme court, who has the last word on the matter?

It's the Supreme court because you cannot take it any father than them. The same thing applies to God Almighty. It is of no consequense because the highest court just ruled and you have no other option because the Supreme Court is you last option. In other words, it does not matter where God whether or not God existed, it only matters that your responsible to Him and that is the end of the road. You have to answer to Him, period.

Secondly, despite your answer about who cares about newton, newton is right whether or not you like him or not. This is an issue of logic and right and and wrong, not of personalities. In short, get over yourself instead of being a child.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Ummm, sometimes words put together have specific meaning only in the inflection of our voices.

Instead of thinking Old was saying a flippant who-cares, try a different inflection. "Who cares about you, newton? Only care about God..."

I've got a few mean bones in my body. I've known both OldthenNews (husband and wife team behind that name lol) for a couple of year now and have never seen a single mean bone. Therefore I assume a not-mean-bone-inflection, even if it sounds mean-boned. It helps.

Me, on the other hand? Yeah, you can go with flippant from me, although I promise this isn't one of those times either. Just trying to unrile feathers that were never meant to be riled four hours too late.

 

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***Ultimately, to paraphrase Jesus, I answer to God, not to men. God ultimately judges my life, not men.

Wellll, in all fairness since you're the one who started this thread, it really is up to you to justify your claims you made about God to others. God really doesn't need any of us to defend him. But it's a good idea to clarify when we defend poorly.

For example, if I went off and said God has four ears on the left side of his head, and I really believe that, exactly how much answering do you think God needs for that one? All he has to do is clarify to me, it's not so. And then what do I do with all the people I convinced I'm right? Aren't I obligated to come back and say, "Oopsie. Got that wrong?"

So the "I only have to answer to God" defense really isn't a defense for God. It's our own defensiveness.

 

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Who was, Who is, Who is yet to come.

this is why His name is I AM

the phrase "previous to God" or "after God" is as meaningless as "x > ∞"

A first for me!

I understood a mathematical formula Post wrote!

 

[posthuman]

A first for me!

I understood a mathematical formula Post wrote!

LOL

and it's one that's not supposed to make sense

 

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LOL

and it's one that's not supposed to make sense

Probably why I got it. lol

 

[bluto]

Since he refused flatly to answer the questions, your confidence appears at best to be based on shaky ground. You can assume as much as you like, however, do not try to force your seemingly ill founded assumptions on me, thank you very much

No one magenta, at least not me is forcing ill founded assumptions on you. The following is what I said, "What I am saying is that IF A PERSON SHOULD ASK "Who created God" what would you say? Of course God is not created, however, I don't know if newton believes that but based on his answer I took it that he does not believe God is created? So what does newton believe on this issue, do you know magenta?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto