And what makes you think it was punishment.. Dont you think that God wanted his house to be remembered for God and not the house of David.. ? cause if David had of built it... many people would have remembered the blood shed moret han david... besides God annointed david to be the leaders of the isrealites and lead them into battle..
When is it right to fight back ? Never or something else
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Now for those who have a faint heart,, the reality is the lord lead us in to battle..And what we see here is the men of the old fighting for freedom and salvation...[video=youtube;lKn-Agk-yAI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKn-Agk-yAI[/video] now i am by no means a hard nut when it comes to love i respectfully hope for people to love each other..but salvation is worth fight for especialy when there are armies of satan flying arround... we need to fight to protect our lifes in many accasions throughout history,,,
I usually let things go. Today, though, I was being verbally abused. It got to the point where so finally stood up for myself, and answered back in anger. Sometimes, a persom can only be pushed so far before there's a need to push back. God never calls us to have people walk over us and be push overs, whether it's physically or verbally.
The early Christians, disciples, were mistreated and attacked along with their loved ones and they did not fight back. No, God does NOT tell His people (Christians) to completely annihilate other nations; this is incorrect. You mistake examples from the Old Testament as instructions for God's people today. The OT was the message to the Jews, Jesus brought and explained a new foundation for our life. The battle gear God spoke about is clearly Spiritual armour not physical, no way to misinterpret that.
When is it right to fight back verbally or physically?
This isn't a clear question, therefore it's impossible for it to ever get a clear answer.
1. This isn't really a good question.
A. There are actually 2 distinct questions asked which are AT ODDS with each other, making the question impossible to answer.
B. The crux of each of these two conflicting questions hinges on the phrase "fight back" which is also entirely unclear, and could have many different meanings... making the question impossible to answer... on yet another level.
2. This questions almost couldn't be any more unclear, and therefore THIS particular question is impossible to answer.
3. Let me ask a similarly confusing question:
* Is it ok to go fast in bad weather in a car or motorcycle?
A. Well, a car isn't a motorcycle, and they both handle weather conditions different, so I can't give a single answer.
B. The phrase "go fast" could mean anything... so I can't really give a single answer.
C. The phrase "bad weather" could mean anything... so I can't really give a single answer.
Here there are 2 different questions which are at odds with each other, and they hinge on verbs which are entirely vague and could mean anything.
This is exactly what the OP has done with this question.
* I'm sure the OP didn't intend to write a confusing question that is so vague, and so internally conflicting, that it actually CANNOT be answered.
* But although I'm sure this wasn't the OP's intent, this is what we've got.
This isn't a clear question, therefore it's impossible for it to ever get a clear answer.
1. This isn't really a good question.
A. There are actually 2 distinct questions asked which are AT ODDS with each other, making the question impossible to answer.
B. The crux of each of these two conflicting questions hinges on the phrase "fight back" which is also entirely unclear, and could have many different meanings... making the question impossible to answer... on yet another level.
2. This questions almost couldn't be any more unclear, and therefore THIS particular question is impossible to answer.
3. Let me ask a similarly confusing question:
* Is it ok to go fast in bad weather in a car or motorcycle?
A. Well, a car isn't a motorcycle, and they both handle weather conditions different, so I can't give a single answer.
B. The phrase "go fast" could mean anything... so I can't really give a single answer.
C. The phrase "bad weather" could mean anything... so I can't really give a single answer.
Here there are 2 different questions which are at odds with each other, and they hinge on verbs which are entirely vague and could mean anything.
This is exactly what the OP has done with this question.
* I'm sure the OP didn't intend to write a confusing question that is so vague, and so internally conflicting, that it actually CANNOT be answered.
* But although I'm sure this wasn't the OP's intent, this is what we've got.
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JIMBO43,
I wasn't trying to be unkind or derogatory in my comment above.
I was just trying to point out that if we accidentally ask a question that is unclear, it may be impossible to ever get a clear answer.
In fact, it's impossible for people to even debate the answers... because nobody actually knows what the questions really is.
Maybe it would be good to do a new poll that is more precise, so people can more easily debate the question.
I wasn't trying to be unkind or derogatory in my comment above.
I was just trying to point out that if we accidentally ask a question that is unclear, it may be impossible to ever get a clear answer.
In fact, it's impossible for people to even debate the answers... because nobody actually knows what the questions really is.
Maybe it would be good to do a new poll that is more precise, so people can more easily debate the question.
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Romans 13:5-7
for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing
SO TH THE LIKES OF TRUMP TERISA MAY. and all world leaders are ministers of God... and if that mean death to those who makes children of God stumble then this is good ministering...
To stand by turn the other cheek whilst general assad plays lord of mafia is like to make a child of God stumble yourself..
for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing
SO TH THE LIKES OF TRUMP TERISA MAY. and all world leaders are ministers of God... and if that mean death to those who makes children of God stumble then this is good ministering...
To stand by turn the other cheek whilst general assad plays lord of mafia is like to make a child of God stumble yourself..
[h=3]Romans 13:5-7 [/h]
for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Psalm 144:1
Blessed Be the Lord, My Rock
1A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle; 2My lovingkindness and my fortress, My stronghold and my deliverer, My shield and He in whom I take refuge, Who subdues my people under me.…New American Standard Bible
Not too long ago, my answer would've been: It is right to fight back against anyone to defend self and others.
I wonder about the first century Christians. Some were slaves of ruthless owners.
The inspired apostle Peter writes: Servants (slaves), be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 1 Peter 2.18.
What about an attack, from a harsh master, what then?
Verse 20 ...But when you do and suffer for it, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
And Jesus, our Example: For this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps. Who committed no sin, Nor was guile found in His mouth, who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return, when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously. Verse 24.
In all this Peter attaches the patience he explains and urges the saints to practice to that to which they called. Called to suffer, to be patient, to endure. Verse 21.
I don't want to change the subject or go beyond the OP, but the issue of who is the attacker is for me an important concern. Again, Peter writes: Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors...for this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. Verses 13-15.
What if the attacker is the state? Do we take up arms and fight for our "rights" our freedom?
Our physical life is temporal. It will end regardless of how many battles we fight and win.
Jesus didn't fight. He's my example.
But what bothers me is I don't see how that can fit in with my responsibility, my desire as a husband, Paul the apostle writes: Husbands love your wives, even also as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it. Ephesians 5.25.
There is no love in a husband toward his wife who won't defend her. Is there?
I just have to put all this together. It's not an easy question to answer.
I wonder about the first century Christians. Some were slaves of ruthless owners.
The inspired apostle Peter writes: Servants (slaves), be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 1 Peter 2.18.
What about an attack, from a harsh master, what then?
Verse 20 ...But when you do and suffer for it, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
And Jesus, our Example: For this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps. Who committed no sin, Nor was guile found in His mouth, who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return, when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously. Verse 24.
In all this Peter attaches the patience he explains and urges the saints to practice to that to which they called. Called to suffer, to be patient, to endure. Verse 21.
I don't want to change the subject or go beyond the OP, but the issue of who is the attacker is for me an important concern. Again, Peter writes: Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors...for this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. Verses 13-15.
What if the attacker is the state? Do we take up arms and fight for our "rights" our freedom?
Our physical life is temporal. It will end regardless of how many battles we fight and win.
Jesus didn't fight. He's my example.
But what bothers me is I don't see how that can fit in with my responsibility, my desire as a husband, Paul the apostle writes: Husbands love your wives, even also as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it. Ephesians 5.25.
There is no love in a husband toward his wife who won't defend her. Is there?
I just have to put all this together. It's not an easy question to answer.
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Jesus fought back in the last week of His life on earth and called the pharisees what
they were, snakes.
Their venom was very real and Jesus words very truthful, it struck home and really
made a difference. They hated Christ and wanted him dead but could not touch him.
It was ironic, though he showed himself to be the messiah they did not think, we should
repent and worship, it was, all our power and wealth will go away, we must defend it and
get rid of this threat. Mad fools rushing into the lake of fire with no wisdom or sense.
they were, snakes.
Their venom was very real and Jesus words very truthful, it struck home and really
made a difference. They hated Christ and wanted him dead but could not touch him.
It was ironic, though he showed himself to be the messiah they did not think, we should
repent and worship, it was, all our power and wealth will go away, we must defend it and
get rid of this threat. Mad fools rushing into the lake of fire with no wisdom or sense.