the ministry of condemnation

[followjesus]

You're the one doing the mixing. The Law has never changed. Someone was sentenced to death for those crimes. His name is Jesus. God exacted the proper penalty for whosoever will believe. That was in the Law too. An innocent man can take on the punishment of the guilty.

Try not to teach a different gospel simply because you prefer your private one.

yes indeed the law changed with the covenant and priesthood. and yeah i agree Jesus died for our sins UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT, or " according to the law of moses" those sins behind are forgiven. regarding the CHANGE in the Law though

Hebrews 7:11-12 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12For the PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."

who is the High priest? would that be a levite of the mosaic law? or would it be Jesus Christ in the order of melchezidek? you really are missing about everything im saying. the change in the Law is evident in the words of the High priest of God.

" you have heard it said long ago...but i tell you" Jesus was not teaching the mosaic Law. in fact when He refers to it He says things like " it is written in your law" or " moses gave you the law and none of you obey it" He says " I have come to fulfil it" when something is fulfilled, its completed. the reason the law is not our authority is because we died to it, and the law of moses ends when the sinner is put to death. there is no further punishment upon them, theyre put to death, the end. and they no longer no are bound by that Law, the law has been fulfilled at a persons death. thats why paul teaches so very much about " you doied to the law through the body of Christ SO THAT YOU CAN BELONG TO ANOTHER...TO HIM WHO DIED AND WAS RAISED AGAIN."

a believer in Jesus, died to the Law of moses at the baptism oif the spirit. that means the law has no more authority over them. thats the importance of hIs death being credited to us by faith, because it realeases us from the Law of moses. The Law that is against Sinners, meant to condemn them to death. Jesus came and died for sinners who were already condemned to death, thats The purpose of His death and suffering. The Law was never given to christians it was given to the isrealites, its a covenant between isreal and God. plainly.

and no lol im not mixing the law with the gospel at all. Im sayingthat Jesus gave the gospel, the new covenant, Moses gave the law to isreal. Jesus wasnt a priest of moses He was of Judah without a priesthood according the the law of moses. people teach that Jesus taught Law, so they can say " look we died to Jesus words too" thats false. Jesus taught the gospel, his apostles spread the gospel. Moses taught the Law to a different peoiple under a different covenant. the Law of moses, does not apply in authority to any christian, chriatians follow Jesus His words, people who believe though that christians are bound by mosaic Laws should begin studying and learning it because any break of that Law makes them guilty of breaking it all and can be included in the curse that came with it......but in my experiences with you its always been an argument, and im not willing to continue in the foolishness, you are free to say whatever you will of me without offending me

 

[Utah]

You're the one doing the mixing. The Law has never changed. Someone was sentenced to death for those crimes. His name is Jesus. God exacted the proper penalty for whosoever will believe. That was in the Law too. An innocent man can take on the punishment of the guilty.

Try not to teach a different gospel simply because you prefer your private one.

One of your best posts ever -- spot on accurate with every word. Great wisdom on this one, sister, to the glory of God.

 

[followjesus]

Very well written post FJ however I would like to say that
i don't think the law cannot be included with the gospel because even Jesus followed the law to the T. And also David himself praised God for his laws and decrees he often times boasted how they brought joy and blessing to enrich his life and soul and he would ask of God to write his laws on his heart, David also was one of the very few men in the old testament who lived in grace as if the new testament covenant was already in.

This is why the law was not a heavy burden on his shoulders and why it isn't for us either or at least for those of us who look at the law in that light. Like David I have been blessed by the law and I also ask God to burn his commandment on my heart except it's love that compels the believer to study and follow the law not condemnation. now as for the stoning and burning that obviously isn't what I am talking about

Heres the thing though blain, the law is there still today, but Christians were delivered from that, it remains as a witness against those who are not in Christ.

romans 7:1-6 "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that THE LAW HATH DOMINION OVER A MAN AS LONG AS HE LIVETH? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if THE HUSBAND BE DEAD, she is LOOSED FROM THE LAW of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW by the body of Christ; that ye should be MARRIED TO ANOTHER even to him who is RAISED from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."


The law is there for those not in Christ. Christians who are baptized into Him, are released from the Law so that we can belong to Jesus. Jesus taught the Kingdom of God, notthe Law of moses its different One is condemnation for sinners, the other is a new Life with a new spirit, and a new Law, the law of the spirit, not the carnal Law of Moses. The thing is there are 2 covenants one through Moses, the other through Jesus. Heres something about the first


Numbers 36:13 "These are the commandments and the judgments, which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho."


Leviticus 26:46 "These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between HIM AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses."


Deuteronomy 29 :1 "These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the CHILDREN OF ISREAL in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made WITH THEM AT HOREB."


Deuteronomy 29:29 "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW."


Deuteronomy 31:24-26 "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the WORDS OF THIS LAW IN A BOOK, UNTIL THEY WERE FINISHED, That Moses commanded the LEVITES, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness AGAINST THEE."

Jesus fulfilled the Law, why do we no longer sacrifice animals for our forgiveness as the law of moses commanded? if nothing changed? why do we no longer gather and stone the kids that disobey and dishonor thier parents as is commanded in the mosaic Law? why did Jesus not stone the adulterer if he follwed the Law of moses which says clearly " If anyone is caught in adultery both shall be stoned? in truth according to the law of moses, those who dragged the woman to Jesus were following what was written in the mosaic Law. its a command given to Moses by God " they Must surely be put to death, show no pity, no mercy, purge the sin from among you" <<< that is clearly written more than once in the law. any one can read it in thier own Bible. Yet Jesus didnt obey that at all, He saved the adulterer who was already condemd by the law the pharisees were following that regulation.

notice when Jesus talks of the Law He says " it is written in your law" or Moses gave you the law and none of you obey it" Jesus didnt come to re teach the mosaic Law, He came to fulfill it, and preach the new covenant. the old is gone for those in Christ, it remains as a witness against sinners. But those in Christ have died to the Law, and the Law ends once a person dies, it never applied to anyone after thier death. once the sinner was killed, that was it. Jesus came teachingthe things of Heaven, the Kingdom of God, the eternal Things. not like moses law wich was always meant to end with the world. Jesus doesnt, His words will never die, they apply now and well after death. Jesus offered so much that the law doesnt, the holy spirit, new birth, eternal Life, the kingdom of Heaven. the fulfillment of the pattern Given through Moses.

again though i myself Love Gods Law, but i am thankful it doesnt govern my life, because according to the Law i would have been stoned in my past many times, i am thankful that Jesus came with a better way, a better testament one that doesnt stone the adulterer, one that rather says " i forgive you...no go and leave your life of sin"<<<<that could have never happened in the first covenant the adulterer was buried to thier elbows in dirt and the community threw jagged rocks until death under the Law.....Jesus is far better, He heals the sinner, rather than brutaly slaying them according to letters on stone. Mercy is far better and changes the heart of man

 

[followjesus]

Very well written post FJ however I would like to say that
i don't think the law cannot be included with the gospel because even Jesus followed the law to the T. And also David himself praised God for his laws and decrees he often times boasted how they brought joy and blessing to enrich his life and soul and he would ask of God to write his laws on his heart, David also was one of the very few men in the old testament who lived in grace as if the new testament covenant was already in.

This is why the law was not a heavy burden on his shoulders and why it isn't for us either or at least for those of us who look at the law in that light. Like David I have been blessed by the law and I also ask God to burn his commandment on my heart except it's love that compels the believer to study and follow the law not condemnation. now as for the stoning and burning that obviously isn't what I am talking about

thats another thing we dont have the authority to say wel this law i agree with , but the law saying i must stone my family member who sins. the Only person in History who had that authrotiy is Jesus Christ, and He used it. ever wonder why God wrotethe law with His finger? and Jesus when He didnt stone the sinner stooped down and wrote with his?.....think about it

all that being said, i agree that the morality of the Law is our guide, and even though im saing its different than the gospel and doesnt rule a christian.....its holy, good true, right....its Just of a prior agreement through a different mediator. Moses then Jesus now. but all man can learn from its principles indeed. following it will cause a conflict with Jesus teachings though, " you have heard it said long ago....but i tell you"<<Jesus changed things and had all the authority to do so even before death.

 

[Depleted]

yes indeed the law changed with the covenant and priesthood. and yeah i agree Jesus died for our sins UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT, or " according to the law of moses" those sins behind are forgiven. regarding the CHANGE in the Law though

Hebrews 7:11-12 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12For the PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."

who is the High priest? would that be a levite of the mosaic law? or would it be Jesus Christ in the order of melchezidek? you really are missing about everything im saying. the change in the Law is evident in the words of the High priest of God.

" you have heard it said long ago...but i tell you" Jesus was not teaching the mosaic Law. in fact when He refers to it He says things like " it is written in your law" or " moses gave you the law and none of you obey it" He says " I have come to fulfil it" when something is fulfilled, its completed. the reason the law is not our authority is because we died to it, and the law of moses ends when the sinner is put to death. there is no further punishment upon them, theyre put to death, the end. and they no longer no are bound by that Law, the law has been fulfilled at a persons death. thats why paul teaches so very much about " you doied to the law through the body of Christ SO THAT YOU CAN BELONG TO ANOTHER...TO HIM WHO DIED AND WAS RAISED AGAIN."

a believer in Jesus, died to the Law of moses at the baptism oif the spirit. that means the law has no more authority over them. thats the importance of hIs death being credited to us by faith, because it realeases us from the Law of moses. The Law that is against Sinners, meant to condemn them to death. Jesus came and died for sinners who were already condemned to death, thats The purpose of His death and suffering. The Law was never given to christians it was given to the isrealites, its a covenant between isreal and God. plainly.

and no lol im not mixing the law with the gospel at all. Im sayingthat Jesus gave the gospel, the new covenant, Moses gave the law to isreal. Jesus wasnt a priest of moses He was of Judah without a priesthood according the the law of moses. people teach that Jesus taught Law, so they can say " look we died to Jesus words too" thats false. Jesus taught the gospel, his apostles spread the gospel. Moses taught the Law to a different peoiple under a different covenant. the Law of moses, does not apply in authority to any christian, chriatians follow Jesus His words, people who believe though that christians are bound by mosaic Laws should begin studying and learning it because any break of that Law makes them guilty of breaking it all and can be included in the curse that came with it......but in my experiences with you its always been an argument, and im not willing to continue in the foolishness, you are free to say whatever you will of me without offending me

So, God said, "On, never mind. Let's just skip my perfect way. Do whatever you feel like doing. It's okey dokey. I'm not quite as perfect as I claim to be."

Yeeeeah, NO!.

It IS the same law. The only thing that changed was the covennant. In the Old Covenant, the contract was between God and Man. Man failed... constantly. And that Law we failed was God's perfect Lawe. The words that tell us of God's perfect way. We failed.

So God made the same law for the second covenant. The only thing that changed was who the two parties were. Man was kicked out of the covenant seat, and replaced By God. The Father and Son -- the two parties of the Covenant.

And the Son kept the Law. And he told us through him we are able.

Again, try not to invent a new gospel. The Law is just as important to God today as it was when he wrote it for Moses. The only difference is Jesus is our propitiation. The Law keeper. The one the Father judges.

You've got no teaching skills and no understanding.

 

[lastofall]

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:17-19)

 

[followjesus]

Tell us, Hizi, how are your plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!

Where will you procure your sacrifice? Where and to whom will you offer it?

You state unequivocally that Jesus did not do away with any Laws, and that your righteousness comes through the Law, so tell us - how are you going to obey the Law regarding the Spring Feasts?
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Any questions regarding the language used to describe the New Covenant in both the Old and New Testament Scriptures are addressed here:

• Hebrew Roots Movement – New Covenant or “Renewed” Covenant?

This is another area where those who advocate that we who are in Christ come under Torah observance misrepresent the language that clearly shows that the New Covenant is indeed NEW.

Christ sits not as 'a' high priest, but as THE High Priest of the New Covenant.

How many priests of the Old Covenant sat down?

Why does Christ sit, when they didn't, if He is mediating the Old Covenant?

Furthermore, Christ is not of the tribe of Levi, and for Him to mediate the Law given to Israel at Sinai would be a violation of that Law.

Change in Priesthood, change in Law, in this case simply because God, through the prophets, proclaimed that Christ be of the Tribe of Judah. Judah cannot mediate the Law.

Oh, and Levite priests never sat down - their work was never done. There were always more sins - their own as well as the people's - which needed for work to be done. Sacrifices after sacrifices after sacrifices . . . they were not able to sit down - again, their work was never done.

There is a stark contrast between the Levitical priesthood and the Priesthood of Christ.​

God didn't break His Covenant, Israel did. But God did provide for a New Covenant, that was not like the Old, through the Work of Christ and by establishing Christ as the Permanent, Perfect High Priest of that New Covenant.​

Annnnd here's where you go off the rails and you can't even see it.


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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (from Mt. 5)
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Taking that passage in isolation, one could make a case for the mandatory keeping of Mosaic Covenant Law for believers, because, as anyone in a Law keeping sect worth their salt will tell you, you can plainly see that the earth is still here, isn’t it? And looking around, you would have to agree, that yes indeed, the earth has not disappeared. Well that settles it then! The Law is for believers today! And to be called great in the kingdom of heaven, you must teach these commands to others, which is why you and others like you continue to attempts here.


That conclusion, however, takes leaps over information about events that had not yet happened (the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension, implementing the New Covenant in Christ) and inspired Scriptures written to the Body of Christ which did not yet exist. (Please see “The Law of Christ – Defined and Defended”, which explores whether or not believers are indeed still under the Law.)


So, according to those in Law keeping sects, the Law (every jot and tittle) MUST be followed – EXCEPT for the part that makes it potent, the punishment/enforcement jots and titles – but that’s because it was just the curse of the Law that was nailed to the Cross . . .

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. . . no wait . . . that was just the oral traditions of men that was nailed . . . no . . . ​

. . . it had to be the curses, didn’t it? But aren’t the curses/punishment part of the jots and tittles . . .

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. . . oh wait . . . what to do with those since the jots and tittles are still there . . . Law is still to be followed . . . jots and tittles because, well, the Earth IS still here, maybe all except for the curse jot and tittles is to be kept . . . . ​

. . . maybe that part of the Law doesn’t have jots and tittles . . . what about the sacrifices . . .

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. . . oh, surely not those jots and tittles still apply . . . but it does say not one jot and tittle shall pass . . . .

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'Round and 'round the alleged reasoning goes, but all of the arguments supporting Law ‘keeping’ cannot be argued at the same time or the really huge inconsistencies start showing themselves.




Yep, Jesus magnified the Law, showing not only the requirements of the flesh, but also of the heart, making it even MORE impossible to keep, in order to point mankind to the Good News of the Work of Christ on our behalf. He accomplished what we could not - and we enter into what He did by faith.

What you are teaching is not Good News, but the ministry of condemnation.

Read 2 Cor. 3 for details.

-JGIG​

alot of good stuff, yet its not all about the "work on the cross" it is just as much the words of Christ. That is the change of the Law. its about the word of truth, AND the man who died on the cross. MEDIATOR is one who comes between two parties that are not agreeing, the mediators Job is to bring the 2 parties back together with an agreement that leads to reconciliation. the old covenant was mediated by Moses, the New by Christ the new covenant isnt " Jesus died and rose" His death and resurrection proved unequivically that He was The One promised through the prophets. if Jesus said it it is new covenant, if moses said it, it is old covenant.

some things coincide, many things of the law are found in the gospel, not because Jesus was teaching the old covenant as many people say, but because those things are a part of the new covenant. The Law was finished and the people were told to obey everything in it, and then moses died. Jesus spoke the gospel, then told everyone to obey Him, then He died.

" A testament is never in force until the testator dies" Jesus ministry is the eternal testament of God and when He died, it completed the old covenant that ends at death, and put in force His new covenant that is eternal and has the power over even death, The good news is that the messiah came with the true judgements of God, the kingdom of God is the good news, death is no longer the end is the good news, we have a hope of eternal Life is the good news.....Jesus preached the good news, and was the good news

Luke 4:43 "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."

Matthew 4:12-17 "12Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

theres alot more but...the "work on the cross" is not everything, the gospel of the Kingdom is essential

 

[Hizikyah]

Tell us, Hizi, how are your plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!​

-JGIG​

Glad you asked... I am practicing them because those that enter YHWH Shammah/the Kingdom of YHWH will be celebrating the Feasts eternally;!!!

Isayah 66:21-24, “And from them too I shall take for priests – for Lĕwites,” declares יהוה."
22, “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand.
23, “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.
24, “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!”


Zecharyah 14:8, And in that day it shall be that living waters flow from Yerushalayim, half of them toward the eastern sea and half of them toward the western sea, in summer as well as in winter.
9, And יהוה shall be Sovereign over all the earth In that day there shall be one יהוה, and His Name one.
10, All the land shall be changed into a desert plain from Geḇa to Rimmon south of Yerushalayim, and she shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Binyamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the winepresses of the sovereign.
11, And they shall dwell in her, and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Yerushalayim shall be safely inhabited.
12, And this is the plague with which יהוה plagues all the people who fought against Yerushalayim: their flesh shall decay while they stand on their feet, and their eyes decay in their sockets, and their tongues decay in their mouths.
13, And it shall be in that day that a great confusion from יהוה is among them, and everyone of them shall seize the hand of his neighbor, and his hand rise up against his neighbor's hand.
14, And Yehuḏah shall fight at Yerushalayim as well. And the wealth of all the nations round about shall be gathered together: gold, and silver, and garments in great quantities.
15, So also is the plague on the horse and the mule, on the camel and the donkey, and on all the cattle that are in those camps – as this plague.
16, And it shall be that all who are left from all the nations which came up against Yerushalayim, shall go up from year to year to bow themselves to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
17, And it shall be, that if anyone of the clans of the earth does not come up to Yerushalayim to bow himself to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, on them there is to be no rain.
18, And if the clan of Mitsrayim does not come up and enter in, then there is no rain. On them is the plague with which יהוה plagues the nations who do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
19, This is the punishment of Mitsrayim and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
20, In that day “SET-APART TO יהוה" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. And the pots in the House of יהוה shall be like the bowls before the slaughter-place.
21, And every pot in Yerushalayim and Yehuḏah shall be set-apart to יהוה of hosts. And all those who sacrifice shall come and take them and cook in them. And there shall no longer be a merchant in the House of יהוה of hosts, in that day.

Genesis (Bereshith) 50:20, "You intended harm against me, but YHWH intended it for blessing, in order to accomplish this day the keeping alive of many people."

 

[Grace777x70]

If one wants to follow the law of Moses - they need to do the whole law. There are no parts to it. To break one law is to make yourself guilty of it all.

Law-keepers are exchanging Christ for the law of Moses and these Judaizers are trying to get others to do the same thing and desert their Lord.

Galatians 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

 

[followjesus]

Glad you asked... I am practicing them because those that enter YHWH Shammah/the Kingdom of YHWH will be celebrating the Feasts eternally;!!!

Isayah 66:21-24, “And from them too I shall take for priests – for Lĕwites,” declares יהוה."
22, “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand.
23, “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.
24, “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!”


Zecharyah 14:8, And in that day it shall be that living waters flow from Yerushalayim, half of them toward the eastern sea and half of them toward the western sea, in summer as well as in winter.
9, And יהוה shall be Sovereign over all the earth In that day there shall be one יהוה, and His Name one.
10, All the land shall be changed into a desert plain from Geḇa to Rimmon south of Yerushalayim, and she shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Binyamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the winepresses of the sovereign.
11, And they shall dwell in her, and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Yerushalayim shall be safely inhabited.
12, And this is the plague with which יהוה plagues all the people who fought against Yerushalayim: their flesh shall decay while they stand on their feet, and their eyes decay in their sockets, and their tongues decay in their mouths.
13, And it shall be in that day that a great confusion from יהוה is among them, and everyone of them shall seize the hand of his neighbor, and his hand rise up against his neighbor's hand.
14, And Yehuḏah shall fight at Yerushalayim as well. And the wealth of all the nations round about shall be gathered together: gold, and silver, and garments in great quantities.
15, So also is the plague on the horse and the mule, on the camel and the donkey, and on all the cattle that are in those camps – as this plague.
16, And it shall be that all who are left from all the nations which came up against Yerushalayim, shall go up from year to year to bow themselves to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
17, And it shall be, that if anyone of the clans of the earth does not come up to Yerushalayim to bow himself to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, on them there is to be no rain.
18, And if the clan of Mitsrayim does not come up and enter in, then there is no rain. On them is the plague with which יהוה plagues the nations who do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
19, This is the punishment of Mitsrayim and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
20, In that day “SET-APART TO יהוה" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. And the pots in the House of יהוה shall be like the bowls before the slaughter-place.
21, And every pot in Yerushalayim and Yehuḏah shall be set-apart to יהוה of hosts. And all those who sacrifice shall come and take them and cook in them. And there shall no longer be a merchant in the House of יהוה of hosts, in that day.

Genesis (Bereshith) 50:20, "You intended harm against me, but YHWH intended it for blessing, in order to accomplish this day the keeping alive of many people."

Mark 1:14 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15And saying, The TIME IS FULFILLED, and the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: repent ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL."

Isaiah 48:1 "“Listen to this, you descendants of Jacob,you who are called by the name of Israeland come from the line of Judah,you who take oaths in the name of the Lordand invoke the God of Israel—but not in truth or righteousness-....


isaiah 42:9 "Behold, the FORMER THINGS are come to pass, and NEW THINGS DO I DECLARE: before they spring forth I tell you of them."

the former things.....exodus 12:5-11 "Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: 6And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. 7And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover. "

the new things...Luke 22:15-20 "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."


Jesus fulfilled the first covenant. the passover is one example. there is a new passover called communion it is the fulfillment of the shadow of the former things. there is a new priesthood, a new temple, a new Law, new things to observe, A new people, a new spirit, a new kingdom. the former things already passed away. the ark was taken from the earth, and is sen in Heaven in revelation. the ark didnt contain the book of the Law, but the ten commandments. the book of the Law had a seat at the side of the holy ark. at that time it was Gods word in authority, the law of moses, Jesus fulfiled that as well, Being the living word of God and was seated beside the throne of God. everything is fulfilled, and made new. " It is finished" the " old is gone the new has come" the law was the fopretelling of all Jesus would be and say, and do for us. He became the mediator, the passover Lamb, the Lord, the teacher, the High priest, the shepherd of our souls. More to show the change

john 4:20-26 "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and NOW IS, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

Jesus fulfilled the earthly things and Gave us the spiritual Heavenly things that were Hidden well before the law existed. The Law is only a pattern oif what Jesus would bring, its authority ended with Jesus arrival. His foretelling was the purpose. Now its all about Jesus.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrew 13:15, “Therefore, through Him, let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to YHWH, that is, the fruit of our lips that thankfully confess His Name.”[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

So, God said, "On, never mind. Let's just skip my perfect way. Do whatever you feel like doing. It's okey dokey. I'm not quite as perfect as I claim to be."

Yeeeeah, NO!.

It IS the same law. The only thing that changed was the covennant. In the Old Covenant, the contract was between God and Man. Man failed... constantly. And that Law we failed was God's perfect Lawe. The words that tell us of God's perfect way. We failed.

So God made the same law for the second covenant. The only thing that changed was who the two parties were. Man was kicked out of the covenant seat, and replaced By God. The Father and Son -- the two parties of the Covenant.

And the Son kept the Law. And he told us through him we are able.

Again, try not to invent a new gospel. The Law is just as important to God today as it was when he wrote it for Moses. The only difference is Jesus is our propitiation. The Law keeper. The one the Father judges.

You've got no teaching skills and no understanding.

well thanks for the insults i consider that a blessing in Jesus name God bless ya tho that grace grace always shines from your heart.

 

[JGIG]

Glad you asked... I am practicing them because those that enter YHWH Shammah/the Kingdom of YHWH will be celebrating the Feasts eternally;!!!

You say you will be 'practicing' them - let me repeat, HOW?


Tell us, what are your travel plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!

Where will you procure your sacrifice? Where and to whom will you offer it?

You state unequivocally that Jesus did not do away with any Laws, and that your righteousness comes through the Law, so tell us - how are you going to obey the Law regarding the Spring Feasts?

To address your assertion that we will be 'practicing' the Feasts in the Kingdom, who will mediate the sacrifices? Only those of the Tribe of Levi can legally do so, and there's a New High Priest in town, and His Priesthood is Perfect and Forever.

Which presents a BIG problem for you, because God says this:

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. (from 1 Tim. 2)
​

So the concept of Levites and Jesus being mediators is OUT.

There is only ONE Mediator - Christ Jesus. And He cannot mediate over Feasts, sacrifices, or anything else related to the set-aside covenant. No, He mediates the New Covenant, which has NONE of that.

You need to realize which covenant you're in, or choose the New Covenant in Christ, if you haven't already.

-JGIG

 

[Hizikyah]

Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings.”

Yahshua did not do away with any Laws, He performed the true intent of the Law of YHWH in His walk...


Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is (the intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."




He is the mediator of the "chadash" covenant, there are 3 entries for this word, with 3 different meanings, anyone who knows anything about Hebrew language knows one word has one meaning not 3....

Yahshua/Jesus now sits as High Priest in the heavens, carrying out all the duties of a High Priest:

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Finally, unless you believe the Messiah is a liar or that heaven and earth has already passed, He said it very very clearly;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Yahshua showed us the intent and perfect way to follow the Instructions of YHWH.

You say you will be 'practicing' them - let me repeat, HOW?


Tell us, what are your travel plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!

Where will you procure your sacrifice? Where and to whom will you offer it?

You state unequivocally that Jesus did not do away with any Laws, and that your righteousness comes through the Law, so tell us - how are you going to obey the Law regarding the Spring Feasts?

To address your assertion that we will be 'practicing' the Feasts in the Kingdom, who will mediate the sacrifices? Only those of the Tribe of Levi can legally do so, and there's a New High Priest in town, and His Priesthood is Perfect and Forever.

Which presents a BIG problem for you, because God says this:

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. (from 1 Tim. 2)
​

So the concept of Levites and Jesus being mediators is OUT.

There is only ONE Mediator - Christ Jesus. And He cannot mediate over Feasts, sacrifices, or anything else related to the set-aside covenant. No, He mediates the New Covenant, which has NONE of that.

You need to realize which covenant you're in, or choose the New Covenant in Christ, if you haven't already.

-JGIG

Already covered here, you even commented in it in this thread, yet you still make false accusations.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 43:26 , "Review the past for me, let us argue the matter together; state the case for your innocence."[/FONT]

He is the mediator of the "chadash" covenant, there are 3 entries for this word, with 3 different meanings, anyone who knows anything about Hebrew language knows one word has one meaning not 3....

Yahshua/Jesus now sits as High Priest in the heavens, carrying out all the duties of a High Priest:

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus fulfilled the first covenant. the passover is one example.

There are 7 Feast Days, have all been fulfilled?

 

[followjesus]

There are 7 Feast Days, have all been fulfilled?

to be honest, and please understand first. I think its great that you keep the things you keep. it is in no way wrong for you to do so, and scripture actually commends keeping the Law. My own understanding is that Jesus is the fulfilment of the mosaic Law according to the book of the Law. feasts and moon festivals and things had a purpose is what im saying forinstance the passover in the law was for rememberance of Gods deliverance from Egypt, a constant reminder of the fist passover when the Lambs blood cause death to passover Gods People. the feasts purpose was a reminder of What God had done, to keep those things in rememberance of the people.

those 7 feasts have a prupose for the people, and in mky own view yes Jesus fulfilled everything relevant. that being said, im not at all sutting into your own faith, or condemning someone who keeps those things, I believe that through obedience to the gospel those things are Kept but that is my own faith and knowledge which obligates me to keep that faith. and the same is true for you and anyone else. if you are convicted to keep those things, you should because it will affect your conscience.

I feel as if there is enough for myself to learn still in the gospel every time i study i find things to adjust to in my own walk, and all my faith ever tells me is to follow the Lord Jesus and His things. this is what keeps my conscience clear. it doesnt mean im perfect because like i said, i find things daily to let go of, and other things to apply to life. things to repent of and things that give me encouragement and strength to walk as taught by my Savior with all of my heart.

its not been easy at all for me, I was raised on scripture from the time i was a child, began my own studies around 11 0r 12. yet still i became a really skilled sinner guilty of so much i cant even list it, probably more sinful than most and i enjoyed it. But when my eyes were opened through the gospel it became my focus, my goal to be like Jesus says to be. Im not there yet completely, but with all i hav in me i strive and press forward forgetting as best i can who i was and in time it fades to the point where things that once bound me and ruled me such as lust, never even enter my mind anymore, because rather than looking at women with lust in my heart, i look at them as sisters, friends, daugthers mothers. Because i knew wjat Jesus taught in the gospel and set my heart to live it as He says to do.

so to judge what your faith is telling you, is not something im trying to do at all, all i have to offer is the gospel that set me free from the sins i knew in my past. and in my own firm belief, the 4 gospels are the core of everything God requires of His Children.

 

[Hizikyah]

to be honest, and please understand first. I think its great that you keep the things you keep. it is in no way wrong for you to do so, and scripture actually commends keeping the Law. My own understanding is that Jesus is the fulfilment of the mosaic Law according to the book of the Law. feasts and moon festivals and things had a purpose is what im saying forinstance the passover in the law was for rememberance of Gods deliverance from Egypt, a constant reminder of the fist passover when the Lambs blood cause death to passover Gods People. the feasts purpose was a reminder of What God had done, to keep those things in rememberance of the people.

those 7 feasts have a prupose for the people, and in mky own view yes Jesus fulfilled everything relevant. that being said, im not at all sutting into your own faith, or condemning someone who keeps those things, I believe that through obedience to the gospel those things are Kept but that is my own faith and knowledge which obligates me to keep that faith. and the same is true for you and anyone else. if you are convicted to keep those things, you should because it will affect your conscience.

I feel as if there is enough for myself to learn still in the gospel every time i study i find things to adjust to in my own walk, and all my faith ever tells me is to follow the Lord Jesus and His things. this is what keeps my conscience clear. it doesnt mean im perfect because like i said, i find things daily to let go of, and other things to apply to life. things to repent of and things that give me encouragement and strength to walk as taught by my Savior with all of my heart.

its not been easy at all for me, I was raised on scripture from the time i was a child, began my own studies around 11 0r 12. yet still i became a really skilled sinner guilty of so much i cant even list it, probably more sinful than most and i enjoyed it. But when my eyes were opened through the gospel it became my focus, my goal to be like Jesus says to be. Im not there yet completely, but with all i hav in me i strive and press forward forgetting as best i can who i was and in time it fades to the point where things that once bound me and ruled me such as lust, never even enter my mind anymore, because rather than looking at women with lust in my heart, i look at them as sisters, friends, daugthers mothers. Because i knew wjat Jesus taught in the gospel and set my heart to live it as He says to do.

so to judge what your faith is telling you, is not something im trying to do at all, all i have to offer is the gospel that set me free from the sins i knew in my past. and in my own firm belief, the 4 gospels are the core of everything God requires of His Children.

The 7 Feast Days are the gospel as told by YHWH

*fulfilled already

*to be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's death, burial and resurrection




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:20-23, “But now Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the first-fruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man. For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah . And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,”[/FONT]


2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's work

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
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3. Feast of Weeks – The Holy Spirit of YHWH coming into our lives

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Cor 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the distress of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”[/FONT]

5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 90:4, “For a thousand years in Your eyes Are like yesterday that has past, Or like a watch in the night.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 20:1-3, "And I saw a messenger coming down from the heaven, having the key to the pit of the deep and a great chain in his hand. And he seized the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and he threw him into the pit of the deep, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should lead the nations no more astray until the thousand years were ended. And after that he has to be released for a little while.[/FONT]

6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled. Believe in Yah, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many staying places. And if not, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I shall come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, you might be too."[/FONT]


7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 20:7-10, "And when the thousand years have ended, Satan shall be released from his prison, and he shall go out to lead the nations astray which are in the four corners of the earth, Goḡ and Maḡoḡ, to gather them together for battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. And they came up over the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the set-apart ones and the beloved city. And fire came down from Yah out of the heaven and consumed them. And the devil, who led them astray, was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet are. And they shall be tortured day and night forever and ever."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 3:20, “For our citizenship is in the heavens, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Yahshua) Messiah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:27, “Then the kingdoms and governments, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, will be given to the people of the Saints of YHWH, Whose Kingdom is an Everlasting Kingdom, and all governments will serve and obey Him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 54:8-17 “In an overflow of wrath I hid My face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I shall have compassion on you,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], your Redeemer. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts. For though the mountains be removed and the hills be shaken, My kindness is not removed from you, nor is My covenant of peace shaken,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], who has compassion on you. O you afflicted one, tossed with storm, and not comforted, see, I am setting your stones in antimony, and shall lay your foundations with sapphires, and shall make your battlements of rubies, your gates of crystal, and all your walls of precious stones, and all your children taught by [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and the peace of your children great. In righteousness you shall be established – far from oppression, for you shall not fear, and far from ruin, for it does not come near you. See, they shall indeed assemble, but not because of Me. Whoever shall assemble against you falls for your sake! See, I Myself have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work. And I have created the waster to destroy. No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This is the inheritance of the servants of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and their righteousness from Me,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]55:1 “Oh everyone who thirsts, come to the waters. And you who have no silver, come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk without silver and without price.”[/FONT]

 

[JGIG]

Tell us, Hizi, how are your plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!

Where will you procure your sacrifice? Where and to whom will you offer it?

You state unequivocally that Jesus did not do away with any Laws, and that your righteousness comes through the Law, so tell us - how are you going to obey the Law regarding the Spring Feasts?
​

Any questions regarding the language used to describe the New Covenant in both the Old and New Testament Scriptures are addressed here:

• Hebrew Roots Movement – New Covenant or “Renewed” Covenant?

This is another area where those who advocate that we who are in Christ come under Torah observance misrepresent the language that clearly shows that the New Covenant is indeed NEW.

Christ sits not as 'a' high priest, but as THE High Priest of the New Covenant.

How many priests of the Old Covenant sat down?

Why does Christ sit, when they didn't, if He is mediating the Old Covenant?

Furthermore, Christ is not of the tribe of Levi, and for Him to mediate the Law given to Israel at Sinai would be a violation of that Law.

Change in Priesthood, change in Law, in this case simply because God, through the prophets, proclaimed that Christ be of the Tribe of Judah. Judah cannot mediate the Law.

Oh, and Levite priests never sat down - their work was never done. There were always more sins - their own as well as the people's - which needed for work to be done. Sacrifices after sacrifices after sacrifices . . . they were not able to sit down - again, their work was never done.

There is a stark contrast between the Levitical priesthood and the Priesthood of Christ.​

God didn't break His Covenant, Israel did. But God did provide for a New Covenant, that was not like the Old, through the Work of Christ and by establishing Christ as the Permanent, Perfect High Priest of that New Covenant.​

Annnnd here's where you go off the rails and you can't even see it.


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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (from Mt. 5)
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Taking that passage in isolation, one could make a case for the mandatory keeping of Mosaic Covenant Law for believers, because, as anyone in a Law keeping sect worth their salt will tell you, you can plainly see that the earth is still here, isn’t it? And looking around, you would have to agree, that yes indeed, the earth has not disappeared. Well that settles it then! The Law is for believers today! And to be called great in the kingdom of heaven, you must teach these commands to others, which is why you and others like you continue to attempts here.


That conclusion, however, takes leaps over information about events that had not yet happened (the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension, implementing the New Covenant in Christ) and inspired Scriptures written to the Body of Christ which did not yet exist. (Please see “The Law of Christ – Defined and Defended”, which explores whether or not believers are indeed still under the Law.)


So, according to those in Law keeping sects, the Law (every jot and tittle) MUST be followed – EXCEPT for the part that makes it potent, the punishment/enforcement jots and titles – but that’s because it was just the curse of the Law that was nailed to the Cross . . .

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. . . no wait . . . that was just the oral traditions of men that was nailed . . . no . . . ​

. . . it had to be the curses, didn’t it? But aren’t the curses/punishment part of the jots and tittles . . .

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. . . oh wait . . . what to do with those since the jots and tittles are still there . . . Law is still to be followed . . . jots and tittles because, well, the Earth IS still here, maybe all except for the curse jot and tittles is to be kept . . . . ​

. . . maybe that part of the Law doesn’t have jots and tittles . . . what about the sacrifices . . .

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. . . oh, surely not those jots and tittles still apply . . . but it does say not one jot and tittle shall pass . . . .

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'Round and 'round the alleged reasoning goes, but all of the arguments supporting Law ‘keeping’ cannot be argued at the same time or the really huge inconsistencies start showing themselves.




Yep, Jesus magnified the Law, showing not only the requirements of the flesh, but also of the heart, making it even MORE impossible to keep, in order to point mankind to the Good News of the Work of Christ on our behalf. He accomplished what we could not - and we enter into what He did by faith.

What you are teaching is not Good News, but the ministry of condemnation.

Read 2 Cor. 3 for details.

-JGIG​

Already covered here, you even commented in it in this thread, yet you still make false accusations.

Isaiah 43:26 , "Review the past for me, let us argue the matter together; state the case for your innocence."

Actually, no, Hizi, you didn't cover anything about how you're going to obey the requirements of the Spring Feasts. You just threw up a wall of Scripture to distract us. I don't distract that easily.

HOW do YOU intend to KEEP the LAW regarding the Spring Feasts?

It's a simple question which you STILL have not answered.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Already covered here, you even commented in it in this thread, yet you still make false accusations.

Isaiah 43:26 , "Review the past for me, let us argue the matter together; state the case for your innocence."

Also not answered by you is who is your high priest?

It cannot be Christ, for He is the Mediator of the New Covenant, and you are operating under the Old.

So, who is your high priest?

-JGIG

 

[Hizikyah]

Also not answered by you is who is your high priest?

It cannot be Christ, for He is the Mediator of the New Covenant, and you are operating under the Old.

So, who is your high priest?

-JGIG

Leviticus 19:16 , "You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."

Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings.”

Yahshua did not do away with any Laws, He performed the true intent of the Law of YHWH in His walk...


Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is (the intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."




He is the mediator of the "chadash" covenant, there are 3 entries for this word, with 3 different meanings, anyone who knows anything about Hebrew language knows one word has one meaning not 3....

Yahshua/Jesus now sits as High Priest in the heavens, carrying out all the duties of a High Priest:

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Finally, unless you believe the Messiah is a liar or that heaven and earth has already passed, He said it very very clearly;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Yahshua showed us the intent and perfect way to follow the Instructions of YHWH.