the ministry of condemnation

[OneFaith]

some crimes under the mosaic Law, commanded By God that the sinner is stoned to death.


Intercourse between a man and his mother, Intercourse between a man and his father's wife (not necessarily his mother)., Intercourse between a man and his daughter in law,Intercourse with another man's wife from the first stage of marriage, Intercourse between two men, Bestiality,Cursing the name of God in God's name.,Idol Worship,Giving one's progeny to Molech (child sacrifice),Necromantic Sorcery,Pythonic Sorcery,Attempting to convince another to worship idols,Instigating a community to worship idols,Witchcraft,Violating the Sabbath,Cursing one's own parent,A stubborn and rebellious son."


Some crimes commanded by God that the sinner be burned to death.


The daughter of a priest who completed the second stage of marriage commits adultery,Intercourse between a man and his daughter,Intercourse between a man and his daughter's daughter,Intercourse between a man and his son's daughter,Intercourse between a man and his wife's daughter (not necessarily his own daughter),Intercourse between a man and his wife's daughter's daughter,Intercourse between a man and his wife's son's daughter,Intercourse between a man and his mother in law,Intercourse between a man and his mother in law's mother,Intercourse between a man and his father in law's mother."


Beheading .


Unlawful premeditated murder,Being a member of a city that has gone astray.


strangulation...Committing adultery with another man's wife, when it doesn't fall under the above criteria,Wounding one's own parent,Kidnapping another Israelite,Prophesying falsely,Prophesying in the name of other deities."


these are some of he sins God commands a death sentance for. and some details regarding aspects of this. even if a foreigner or isrealite didnt Know what they were doing was a crime, made no difference, still the sinner is condemned. Many other sins rewuire excommunication from Gods People, or various forms of lesser punishment. This is the Law of judaism, the torah, the Law of Moses.....when a person is serving the Law of moses they Must serve by the letter. they must not be compassionate on sinners, shew no mercy, no pity, thier own child, thier wife, thier mother of father, thier best friend without respect of who, the people are commanded to carry out these precepts Just Like the ten commandments.


The Law is the entire Law from start to finish. This is why it does not mix with Christianity. And why Jesus death fulfills it. He had no sin He was not condemned under the Law, we however were. Under the Law if you commited any crime worthy of death, repentance wasnt what was commanded, but a death sentance carried out by your fellow people. by Commandment of God almighty. Jesus is not at all tered aching the Law of Moses. it is rather SALVATION from the curse of the Law upon all sinners without respect of persons, without pity or mercy upon the sinners, even your own Child was to be stoned by your hand first and then the people, if your Kid dishonored you.......


When you compare the Law with the Gospel, there is no possible way to include the Law with the Gospel it cant mix Because of What Jesus taught. Mercy to the sinners v death to the sinners, a call to repentance v a violent death to the sinner. Forgiveness v condemnation. This doesnt change obedience to God, it changes the Law Having a new priesthood and mediator, who is Jesus Christ. We as Christians obey God through Jesus, not moses.

The reason it was so in the Old Testament but is not so in the New Testament, is because things were done physically in the Old Testament that are now done spiritually in the New Testament. Ephesians 6 contains our new armour and our new war. We still put to death- but spiritually. We die to our old sinful self, and are buried with Christ during baptism. (Romans 6:3). In the Old Testament they had physical circumcision, but in the New Testament we have spiritual circumsion of the heart (cutting sin from our heart)- which God performs during baptism. (Colossians 2)

So we used to have physical laws punishable by physical death, but now we have spiritual laws punishable by spiritual death (separation from God/hell). Anyone who follows any part of the laws of Moses now that Christ has all authority, is disobeying God (Romans 7:1-4- Moses is dead, Christ is our new husband so-to-speak- we are to follow Christ only).

The Bible says that those who murder Christians will think that they are doing a service to God. But if they knew His Word (Bible) they'd see that we are no longer allowed to punish sin with physical death. And since we will all be judged by the Bible, they will have to give an account for taking life without His permission- which is murder.

 

[JGIG]

Actually, no, Hizi, you didn't cover anything about how you're going to obey the requirements of the Spring Feasts. You just threw up a wall of Scripture to distract us. I don't distract that easily.

HOW do YOU intend to KEEP the LAW regarding the Spring Feasts?

It's a simple question which you STILL have not answered.

-JGIG

Also not answered by you is who is your high priest?

It cannot be Christ, for He is the Mediator of the New Covenant, and you are operating under the Old.

So, who is your high priest?

-JGIG

Leviticus 19:16 , "You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."

Is it that you don't have an answer or that you're choosing to not answer the questions?

You claim to keep the Feasts and are exhorting others to do the same.

It is not an unreasonable thing to ask you HOW you are actually doing that.

It is also not unreasonable, since the Scriptures are clear that God, by an oath, has established Christ Jesus as the Perfect, Permanent, High Priest of the New Covenant, to ask you who your high priest is since you are operating under the Old Covenant. Who is the Levite who represents you on matters related to God (Heb. 5)?

There is no tale-bearing or slander as you are falsely accusing me of - simply asking you some pertinent questions as to how you carry out what you say you believe.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Tell us, Hizi, how are your plans for keeping the Spring Feasts in Jerusalem coming along? I hear it's lovely there this time of year!

Where will you procure your sacrifice? Where and to whom will you offer it?

You state unequivocally that Jesus did not do away with any Laws, and that your righteousness comes through the Law, so tell us - how are you going to obey the Law regarding the Spring Feasts? ​

Any questions regarding the language used to describe the New Covenant in both the Old and New Testament Scriptures are addressed here:

• Hebrew Roots Movement – New Covenant or “Renewed” Covenant?

This is another area where those who advocate that we who are in Christ come under Torah observance misrepresent the language that clearly shows that the New Covenant is indeed NEW.

Christ sits not as 'a' high priest, but as THE High Priest of the New Covenant.

How many priests of the Old Covenant sat down?

Why does Christ sit, when they didn't, if He is mediating the Old Covenant?

Furthermore, Christ is not of the tribe of Levi, and for Him to mediate the Law given to Israel at Sinai would be a violation of that Law.

Change in Priesthood, change in Law, in this case simply because God, through the prophets, proclaimed that Christ be of the Tribe of Judah. Judah cannot mediate the Law.

Oh, and Levite priests never sat down - their work was never done. There were always more sins - their own as well as the people's - which needed for work to be done. Sacrifices after sacrifices after sacrifices . . . they were not able to sit down - again, their work was never done.

There is a stark contrast between the Levitical priesthood and the Priesthood of Christ.​

God didn't break His Covenant, Israel did. But God did provide for a New Covenant, that was not like the Old, through the Work of Christ and by establishing Christ as the Permanent, Perfect High Priest of that New Covenant.​

Annnnd here's where you go off the rails and you can't even see it.


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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (from Mt. 5)
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Taking that passage in isolation, one could make a case for the mandatory keeping of Mosaic Covenant Law for believers, because, as anyone in a Law keeping sect worth their salt will tell you, you can plainly see that the earth is still here, isn’t it? And looking around, you would have to agree, that yes indeed, the earth has not disappeared. Well that settles it then! The Law is for believers today! And to be called great in the kingdom of heaven, you must teach these commands to others, which is why you and others like you continue to attempts here.


That conclusion, however, takes leaps over information about events that had not yet happened (the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension, implementing the New Covenant in Christ) and inspired Scriptures written to the Body of Christ which did not yet exist. (Please see “The Law of Christ – Defined and Defended”, which explores whether or not believers are indeed still under the Law.)


So, according to those in Law keeping sects, the Law (every jot and tittle) MUST be followed – EXCEPT for the part that makes it potent, the punishment/enforcement jots and titles – but that’s because it was just the curse of the Law that was nailed to the Cross . . .

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. . . no wait . . . that was just the oral traditions of men that was nailed . . . no . . .​

. . . it had to be the curses, didn’t it? But aren’t the curses/punishment part of the jots and tittles . . .

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. . . oh wait . . . what to do with those since the jots and tittles are still there . . . Law is still to be followed . . . jots and tittles because, well, the Earth IS still here, maybe all except for the curse jot and tittles is to be kept . . . .​

. . . maybe that part of the Law doesn’t have jots and tittles . . . what about the sacrifices . . .

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. . . oh, surely not those jots and tittles still apply . . . but it does say not one jot and tittle shall pass . . . .

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'Round and 'round the alleged reasoning goes, but all of the arguments supporting Law ‘keeping’ cannot be argued at the same time or the really huge inconsistencies start showing themselves.


Yep, Jesus magnified the Law, showing not only the requirements of the flesh, but also of the heart, making it even MORE impossible to keep, in order to point mankind to the Good News of the Work of Christ on our behalf. He accomplished what we could not - and we enter into what He did by faith.

What you are teaching is not Good News, but the ministry of condemnation.

Read 2 Cor. 3 for details.

-JGIG​

alot of good stuff, yet its not all about the "work on the cross" it is just as much the words of Christ. That is the change of the Law. its about the word of truth, AND the man who died on the cross. MEDIATOR is one who comes between two parties that are not agreeing, the mediators Job is to bring the 2 parties back together with an agreement that leads to reconciliation. the old covenant was mediated by Moses,

You're right, it's not all about Christ's Work on the Cross, it's also about His Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect, Permanent, High Priesthood.

Your definition of mediator is off, however, when describing the Work of Christ. He's not mediating a disagreement between two parties, He's God's provision for reconciliation for sinners to God (see 2 Cor. 5:16-21). We are reconciled to God when we enter into what Christ has done by faith.

Indeed, Hebrews defines the duties of the priest:

Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. (from Heb. 5)​

Christ, however, was sinless, and His Work was set apart from the work of earthly priests:

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (from Heb.10)​

Christ doesn't bring two parties back together over a 'disagreement', He gives us New Life, a new heart, makes us New Creations! He isn't merely an arbiter, He gives Eternal Life!

. . . the New by Christ the new covenant isnt " Jesus died and rose" His death and resurrection proved unequivically that He was The One promised through the prophets. if Jesus said it it is new covenant, if moses said it, it is old covenant. some things coincide, many things of the law are found in the gospel, not because Jesus was teaching the old covenant as many people say, but because those things are a part of the new covenant.

Not so. Jesus preached the Law (Old Covenant) to those under the Law. Actually, He buried them in it! Preaching the spirituality of the Law - it's not just what you do or don't do, but what you think, feel - what's in your heart that God weighs! Christ's message regarding behavior was perfection. God's standard requires perfection in deed and thought. Christ magnified the Law to show mankind their inability to keep it and to point them to grace and His Work.

The Law was finished and the people were told to obey everything in it, and then moses died. Jesus spoke the gospel, then told everyone to obey Him, then He died.

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”​

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (from Jn. 6)​

" A testament is never in force until the testator dies" Jesus ministry is the eternal testament of God and when He died, it completed the old covenant that ends at death, and put in force His new covenant that is eternal and has the power over even death, The good news is that the messiah came with the true judgements of God, the kingdom of God is the good news, death is no longer the end is the good news, we have a hope of eternal Life is the good news.....Jesus preached the good news, and was the good news

47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.” (from Jn. 12)​

Luke 4:43 "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."

Matthew 4:12-17 "12Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

theres alot more but...the "work on the cross" is not everything, the gospel of the Kingdom is essential

Christ's Work of the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect, Permanant High Priesthood IS the Gospel of the Kingdom. Without the Work of Christ, there is no entrance into the Kingdom. Where I sense you're in error is in the mixing of the two Covenants - the requirements of the Old and the free gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and life in the New.

It's important not to confuse Jesus preaching the Law to those under the Law with what His Work actually accomplished, which is explained in the Epistles. Jesus Himself said,

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (from Jn. 16)
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The Spirit of truth did come, and inspired the Apostles to write what it means to be IN Christ - our identity in Him because of what He did on our behalf and how He represents us on matters related to God as our High Priest. For the believer in Christ has died to the Law and lives in the Grace of Christ, which teaches them to say no to ungodliness and to live upright and righteous lives (Gal. 2:20, Tit. 2:11-14). The difference between living by the Law and living in Grace is Fruit:

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (from Gal. 5)​

There is much mixture of Law and Grace in the Body of Christ today, and the result is the many problems we see in the Body, including bad behavior, for the Law arouses sinful passions, it does not tamp them down.

-JGIG

 

[Grace777x70]

There is much mixture of Law and Grace in the Body of Christ today, and the result is the many problems we see in the Body, including bad behavior, for the Law arouses sinful passions, it does not tamp them down.

-JGIG

Amen...I agree 100%.It is very telling when some of the ones that say we are to walk in righteousness and purity ( of which we all agree is a description of the life of Christ manifesting in and through us ) are the ones that are deceitful and try to make it appear you are saying something else.

They in turn will in their malice - slander those that have a different opinion or view of a scripture then they do and mis-represent what is really being said.

The evidence of the law working in our lives is evident.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hebrews 4:12, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

Psalm 11:4. " יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

You're right, it's not all about Christ's Work on the Cross, it's also about His Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect, Permanent, High Priesthood.

Your definition of mediator is off, however, when describing the Work of Christ. He's not mediating a disagreement between two parties, He's God's provision for reconciliation for sinners to God (see 2 Cor. 5:16-21). We are reconciled to God when we enter into what Christ has done by faith.

Indeed, Hebrews defines the duties of the priest:

Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. (from Heb. 5)​

Christ, however, was sinless, and His Work was set apart from the work of earthly priests:

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (from Heb.10)​

Christ doesn't bring two parties back together over a 'disagreement', He gives us New Life, a new heart, makes us New Creations! He isn't merely an arbiter, He gives Eternal Life!





Not so. Jesus preached the Law (Old Covenant) to those under the Law. Actually, He buried them in it! Preaching the spirituality of the Law - it's not just what you do or don't do, but what you think, feel - what's in your heart that God weighs! Christ's message regarding behavior was perfection. God's standard requires perfection in deed and thought. Christ magnified the Law to show mankind their inability to keep it and to point them to grace and His Work.

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”​

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (from Jn. 6)​

47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.” (from Jn. 12)​

Christ's Work of the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect, Permanant High Priesthood IS the Gospel of the Kingdom. Without the Work of Christ, there is no entrance into the Kingdom. Where I sense you're in error is in the mixing of the two Covenants - the requirements of the Old and the free gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and life in the New.

It's important not to confuse Jesus preaching the Law to those under the Law with what His Work actually accomplished, which is explained in the Epistles. Jesus Himself said,

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (from Jn. 16)
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The Spirit of truth did come, and inspired the Apostles to write what it means to be IN Christ - our identity in Him because of what He did on our behalf and how He represents us on matters related to God as our High Priest. For the believer in Christ has died to the Law and lives in the Grace of Christ, which teaches them to say no to ungodliness and to live upright and righteous lives (Gal. 2:20, Tit. 2:11-14). The difference between living by the Law and living in Grace is Fruit:

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (from Gal. 5)​

There is much mixture of Law and Grace in the Body of Christ today, and the result is the many problems we see in the Body, including bad behavior, for the Law arouses sinful passions, it does not tamp them down.

-JGIG

Show me 1 scripture that says Jesus taught the Law of Moses.

that is the issue, so many mix what Moses preached THE LAW. and what Jesus preached THE GOSPEL.

Every post from the grace revolution doctrine, you guys have so many well thought out ideas, but theres never anything to support it in scripture, unless you pluck an obscure verse out.

you guys " Jesus taught the Law magnified"

ok so where is that taught in scripture? because you say that Jesus taught the Law and the Gospel wasnt His teaching, yet its foolishness to me because of What the Lord Himself says

Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD"


Mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: REPENT ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL" <<<


Matthew 4:16-17 "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.From that time Jesus began to PREACH, and to say, REPENT: for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND."


Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."


Matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."


Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to PREACH THE GOSPEL to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" (ISAIAH 61:1)


I say Jesus came to preach the Gospel of Gods Kingdom to His people and then after He was resurrected said this to those people

matthew 28:16-20 "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


you guys " nope Jesus taught the Law 2.0....im not so foolish to believe anyone other than The Lord, im sorry you guys swallowed a lie that leads you to hate the truth of Gods word, but your " corrections" of me constantly are nonsense to be honest. and before you all begin shouting how i have attacked and offended you first do this

reconcile the scriptures i Just Gave you, and show me the ones where Jesus or any other person in scripture said that Jesus taught the Law of Moses.......one rule though you cant give an obscure out of context verse and then explain for a paragraph a bunch of reasons why that means what you are saying.

I have shown maybe 40 percent of the support i have that Jesus ministry is the Gospel, you guys all have the floor, but lets not do the 12 year old bickering thing, lets see the support for your theory in scriopture that Jesus gave a second rendition of the mosaic Law, and not the gospel.

john 1:17 "For THE LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST."


since you all are bent on correcting me, please do so not from the imaginary gog, but from scripture.

 

[Grace777x70]

There are dozens of scriptures that shows that Jesus taught the law of Moses to some people. To others He gave grace but here is just one.

Matthew 8:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them."

Is this something we do now in the New Covenant after the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ? Of course not.

We need to rightly divide the scriptures including the words of Jesus taking into account the death and resurrection when reading all scriptures. Who did Jesus speak to and what was the purpose He spoke to them? These are important questions to be asking ourselves.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Greatest Law Preacher

"Don’t stray too far from the red letters,” is a piece of advice often given to new preachers. It means, stay close to the teachings of Jesus and you can’t go wrong. It sounds good, but it’s actually bad advice. Everything Jesus said was good and wonderful, but not everything He said was meant for you.

Don't take some one else's medicine.

Read the red letters of your Bible and you will find both stories of unprecedented grace and merciless declarations of law. Mix these messages and you will end up confused and double-minded.

The solution is not to balance law and grace – you can’t – but to filter everything you read through the finished work of the cross. To make sense of what Jesus said, you need to understand what Jesus did and why.

Jesus lived under law

Jesus lived at the crossroads of two covenants. As humanity’s representative He came to fulfill the old law-keeping covenant in order that we might relate to God through a new and better covenant forged in His blood. Since the new covenant could not begin before He died, Jesus lived all of His pre-cross life under the old covenant of the law:

But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. (Gal 4:4-5)

Jesus was born under law, circumcised by law, and presented in the temple according to the law. Every Jewish person that Jesus met was also born under law. We need to keep this in mind when we read the red letters of Jesus.

What law did Jesus preach?

To those under the law, Jesus preached the pure and unadulterated Law of Moses. When religious people came to trap him with theological puzzles, Jesus would respond with, “What did Moses command you?” (Mk 10:3).

If someone asked, “What is the greatest commandment in the law,” Jesus would provide an answer from the law (Mt 22:36). In His law-keeping ministry, Jesus honored the Law of Moses:

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. (Mt 23:2-3)

Since the law-teachers often made Jesus angry, we might conclude that Jesus was opposed to the law. He was not. Jesus had no problem with what the Pharisees were preaching. “Do everything they tell you.” What really burnt His toast was their hypocrisy – they weren’t practicing what they preached:

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. (Joh 7:19)

Why did Jesus preach the law?

Like every grace preacher, Jesus esteemed the law and the purpose for which it was given. The law was given to silence every mouth and hold the whole world accountable (Rms 3:19). The purpose of the law is to make us conscious of sin and reveal our need for a Savior.

Since Sinai, the Jews had had fourteen centuries to learn what the law would teach them – that the flesh is incapable of dealing with sin. However, the law-teachers and Pharisees had ring-fenced the Law of Moses with their traditions and interpretations.

By honoring their traditions ahead of the law, they diluted the law and removed the key to knowledge. As a result, the menace of sin was not fully recognized and the self-righteous weren’t silenced.

If the law had been allowed to do its proper work, the Jews would have been primed and ready for a Savior. Every one of them would have had an experience like the one Paul describes in Romans 7. “Nothing good lives in me. Oh wretched man that I am!”

Live under the condemning ministry of the law and you will inevitably come to this question: “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” If the law-teachers and prophets had done their job, then the entire nation of Israel would have gathered outside that stable in Bethlehem in eager expectation.

“He’s here! The Savior has come!” they would have said. “The One who will deliver us from the curse of the law and reconcile us to God has been born. Glory to God in the highest!”

Sadly, it didn’t happen. Since the law-teachers had been negligent, Jesus had to do their job before He could do His own. Before He could save the world from sin, He had to preach the law that made sin utterly sinful.

Before He give Himself as the answer, He had to make sure we were asking the right question. Who will deliver us?

So Jesus became the greatest law preacher of all time. As the prophet Isaiah had foretold, He made the law magnificent. He lifted up what others had knocked down and raised the standard to glorious levels of perfection.

Never again would mankind be without excuse. You want to know what God expects? Just read the Sermon on the Mount. In it Jesus says that God demands perfection and nothing less.

How did Jesus preach the law?

Preaching the red letters of Jesus is a bit like drinking whatever you find in the laundry. If you’re not paying attention – if you fail to distinguish His life-giving words of grace from His death-dealing words of law – then you could really do some damage. Don’t believe me? Then consider these red letters:

If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15)

This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news. This verse should make us shudder for it says that our forgiveness hinges on our ability to forgive others and we are poor forgivers indeed. Men sin against us repeatedly.

Have we honestly forgiven them all? What if we miss one? And what do we say to those who have been raped and abused? What do you say to a young child who has been molested? “Sweetie, you need to forgive that evil man otherwise God won’t forgive you.” That’s not grace.

That’s the condemning ministry of the law in full bloom. How do you forgive the unforgiveable? You can’t! Then you’re in trouble. The law condemns you as an unforgiver. Now you’re beginning to recognize your need for grace and this is a good thing.

Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge).

It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well. “Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!

The law is not for you

Jesus came to reveal grace but those who are confident of their own righteousness are incapable of receiving it. They don’t see their need. What they need is the law and Jesus gave it to them in spades. But Jesus’ larger purpose was to give us His life and His righteousness.

So He also told stories about God justifying sinners and shepherds finding lost sheep. Then He went to the cross fulfilling the law on our behalf that He might be the end of the law for all who believe (Rom 10:4).

Jesus’ came to set the captives free and give sight to the blind. The law sets nobody free. But the law does reveal your need for a Great Deliverer.

Here is the website for this article. It has a comment section at the bottom where people can ask questions. I find I learn a lot from this section as most of us have the very same questions.

https://escapetoreality.org/2012/01/...-law-preacher/

 

[followjesus]

The reason it was so in the Old Testament but is not so in the New Testament, is because things were done physically in the Old Testament that are now done spiritually in the New Testament. Ephesians 6 contains our new armour and our new war. We still put to death- but spiritually. We die to our old sinful self, and are buried with Christ during baptism. (Romans 6:3). In the Old Testament they had physical circumcision, but in the New Testament we have spiritual circumsion of the heart (cutting sin from our heart)- which God performs during baptism. (Colossians 2)

So we used to have physical laws punishable by physical death, but now we have spiritual laws punishable by spiritual death (separation from God/hell). Anyone who follows any part of the laws of Moses now that Christ has all authority, is disobeying God (Romans 7:1-4- Moses is dead, Christ is our new husband so-to-speak- we are to follow Christ only).

The Bible says that those who murder Christians will think that they are doing a service to God. But if they knew His Word (Bible) they'd see that we are no longer allowed to punish sin with physical death. And since we will all be judged by the Bible, they will have to give an account for taking life without His permission- which is murder.

Okay so you believe that spiritual worship has nothing to do with our actions? and that our sinful actions cant exclude us from the Kingdom of God? why does paul teach this to the church

ephesians 5:1-5 "Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

Romans 2:5-11 "Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."

remember now, these are pauls teachings written TO THE CHURCH well into the new testament.

Galatians 5:18-21 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT inherit the kingdom of God."

2 thessolonians 1:8-9 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: 9Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"


I will stop there though i will add one more from john

1 john 2:4-6 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and KEEPETH NOT his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (john 14:15-26) 5But WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED, : HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE ARE IN HIM ( john 15:9-11, 2 john 1:9). 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."


What we do in response to the confession " Jesus is Lord" matters in every way pertaining to eternal Life

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven"

Matt.7:24-27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."


really simple stuff. and think about it, a non believer will suffer the result of thier sin on earth also, its called a consequence. you jump of a cliff whether you believe in Jesus or not, your gonna hit the ground and the result is the same. The Gospel is not a fre pass to live as we p[lease and enter into eternal Life, it is the truth of God that has the power to Give new birth, and new birth leads to actual repentance and a love for the ways of God, the ways that teach us to Love one another as commnded with the Love of Christ

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

There are dozens of scriptures that shows that Jesus taught the law of Moses to some people. To others He gave grace but here is just one.

Matthew 8:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them."

Is this something we do now in the New Covenant after the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ? Of course not.

We need to rightly divide the scriptures including the words of Jesus taking into account the death and resurrection when reading all scriptures. Who did Jesus speak to and what was the purpose He spoke to them? These are important questions to be asking ourselves.

Bruce that doesnt say he taught the Law of moses, and as always you completely disregard all of those plain scriptures. Until He died bruce, those under the law were required to obey the priests being of the house of isreal, that is in no way Jesus teachings tho lol nice effort

 

[Magenta]

john 1:17 "For THE LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST."

Are you teaching grace now? My, how things change!

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
“Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
= = = = = = = = = = = =
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
So you must obey them and do everything they tell you..."

 

[followjesus]

The Greatest Law Preacher

"Don’t stray too far from the red letters,” is a piece of advice often given to new preachers. It means, stay close to the teachings of Jesus and you can’t go wrong. It sounds good, but it’s actually bad advice. Everything Jesus said was good and wonderful, but not everything He said was meant for you.

Don't take some one else's medicine.

Read the red letters of your Bible and you will find both stories of unprecedented grace and merciless declarations of law. Mix these messages and you will end up confused and double-minded.

The solution is not to balance law and grace – you can’t – but to filter everything you read through the finished work of the cross. To make sense of what Jesus said, you need to understand what Jesus did and why.

Jesus lived under law

Jesus lived at the crossroads of two covenants. As humanity’s representative He came to fulfill the old law-keeping covenant in order that we might relate to God through a new and better covenant forged in His blood. Since the new covenant could not begin before He died, Jesus lived all of His pre-cross life under the old covenant of the law:

But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. (Gal 4:4-5)

Jesus was born under law, circumcised by law, and presented in the temple according to the law. Every Jewish person that Jesus met was also born under law. We need to keep this in mind when we read the red letters of Jesus.

What law did Jesus preach?

To those under the law, Jesus preached the pure and unadulterated Law of Moses. When religious people came to trap him with theological puzzles, Jesus would respond with, “What did Moses command you?” (Mk 10:3).

If someone asked, “What is the greatest commandment in the law,” Jesus would provide an answer from the law (Mt 22:36). In His law-keeping ministry, Jesus honored the Law of Moses:

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. (Mt 23:2-3)

Since the law-teachers often made Jesus angry, we might conclude that Jesus was opposed to the law. He was not. Jesus had no problem with what the Pharisees were preaching. “Do everything they tell you.” What really burnt His toast was their hypocrisy – they weren’t practicing what they preached:

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. (Joh 7:19)

Why did Jesus preach the law?

Like every grace preacher, Jesus esteemed the law and the purpose for which it was given. The law was given to silence every mouth and hold the whole world accountable (Rms 3:19). The purpose of the law is to make us conscious of sin and reveal our need for a Savior.

Since Sinai, the Jews had had fourteen centuries to learn what the law would teach them – that the flesh is incapable of dealing with sin. However, the law-teachers and Pharisees had ring-fenced the Law of Moses with their traditions and interpretations.

By honoring their traditions ahead of the law, they diluted the law and removed the key to knowledge. As a result, the menace of sin was not fully recognized and the self-righteous weren’t silenced.

If the law had been allowed to do its proper work, the Jews would have been primed and ready for a Savior. Every one of them would have had an experience like the one Paul describes in Romans 7. “Nothing good lives in me. Oh wretched man that I am!”

Live under the condemning ministry of the law and you will inevitably come to this question: “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” If the law-teachers and prophets had done their job, then the entire nation of Israel would have gathered outside that stable in Bethlehem in eager expectation.

“He’s here! The Savior has come!” they would have said. “The One who will deliver us from the curse of the law and reconcile us to God has been born. Glory to God in the highest!”

Sadly, it didn’t happen. Since the law-teachers had been negligent, Jesus had to do their job before He could do His own. Before He could save the world from sin, He had to preach the law that made sin utterly sinful.

Before He give Himself as the answer, He had to make sure we were asking the right question. Who will deliver us?

So Jesus became the greatest law preacher of all time. As the prophet Isaiah had foretold, He made the law magnificent. He lifted up what others had knocked down and raised the standard to glorious levels of perfection.

Never again would mankind be without excuse. You want to know what God expects? Just read the Sermon on the Mount. In it Jesus says that God demands perfection and nothing less.

How did Jesus preach the law?

Preaching the red letters of Jesus is a bit like drinking whatever you find in the laundry. If you’re not paying attention – if you fail to distinguish His life-giving words of grace from His death-dealing words of law – then you could really do some damage. Don’t believe me? Then consider these red letters:

If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15)

This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news. This verse should make us shudder for it says that our forgiveness hinges on our ability to forgive others and we are poor forgivers indeed. Men sin against us repeatedly.

Have we honestly forgiven them all? What if we miss one? And what do we say to those who have been raped and abused? What do you say to a young child who has been molested? “Sweetie, you need to forgive that evil man otherwise God won’t forgive you.” That’s not grace.

That’s the condemning ministry of the law in full bloom. How do you forgive the unforgiveable? You can’t! Then you’re in trouble. The law condemns you as an unforgiver. Now you’re beginning to recognize your need for grace and this is a good thing.

Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge).

It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well. “Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!

The law is not for you

Jesus came to reveal grace but those who are confident of their own righteousness are incapable of receiving it. They don’t see their need. What they need is the law and Jesus gave it to them in spades. But Jesus’ larger purpose was to give us His life and His righteousness.

So He also told stories about God justifying sinners and shepherds finding lost sheep. Then He went to the cross fulfilling the law on our behalf that He might be the end of the law for all who believe (Rom 10:4).

Jesus’ came to set the captives free and give sight to the blind. The law sets nobody free. But the law does reveal your need for a Great Deliverer.

Here is the website for this article. It has a comment section at the bottom where people can ask questions. I find I learn a lot from this section as most of us have the very same questions.

https://escapetoreality.org/2012/01/...-law-preacher/

thanks for the long explaination void of anything true as i have come to fully expect from you over the past year. you have quoted this article several times on this site. and the same purpose remains for you to do so, to explain to people why they arent supposed to take The Words of the Savior and Lord, as meant for them . arent you tired of the circle man? you spend all your =efforts here, explaining why the scripture Just doesnt apply. why people even if they sin , should never allow any guilt for thier offense, never acknowledge thier own conscience which God gave them to grasp what is right and wrong. why Jesus said to forgive others or God will notforgive you<< that just isnt for a believer though. and a hundred other things for the very purpose of pulling people away from Gods word, teaching them to doubt what the Lord actually said. this article you always share, all it does is create doubt, causes people to question what Jesus Christ the Lord in all power and authority over all of the earth, every man woman and child said is the way....

its exaclty how eve was decieved God said one thing, satan came and aked " did he really say that to you? naw, its wrong, ill tell you the real truth, its fine to eat the fruit, its good for you" <<that is your doctrine, and i truly wish people would examine your posts carefully against the word

 

[followjesus]

Are you teaching grace now? My, how things change!

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
“Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
= = = = = = = = = = = =
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
So you must obey them and do everything they tell you..."

exactly my point magenta thank you, until Jesus was resurrected and became High priest the levitical preisthood remained in authority over isreal. that is the only reason He said thos types of things, the same exact reason that He was sent to the jews first. to fulfill the covenant of isreal, Gove them the gospel, and then send them to the world to teach the gospel that He taught them. When Jesus died, that completed the mosaic authority, when He died it also put into effect His wordsm His testament.

A will is never in effect until the death of the testator"

what ive asked is for you guys to reconcile Jesus repeatedly saying " I have vome to preach the Gospel" with the claim " Jesus taught the Law of moses, not the gospel" and yur respnse is to show a scripture that Jesus told to a teacher of the Law who was bound to obey everything the priest says...How is that shoiwin that Jesus ministry is the Law of moses? This is exactly my point about obscure scriptures Jesus answer to a lawyers question isnt His teachings, it was an answer A lawyer asked and He answered.... so How is that " Jesus taught the mosaic Law and not the gospel?




Mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: REPENT ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL" <<<


Matthew 4:16-17 "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.From that time Jesus began to PREACH, and to say, REPENT: for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND."


Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."


Matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."


Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to PREACH THE GOSPEL to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" (ISAIAH 61:1)

 

[maxwel]

The "Ministry Of Condemnation" sounds like some government bureau in England.


I think it's the department they send you to if you're at any other government bureau...
and then you complain about something.

 

[Magenta]

exactly my point magenta thank you,

Your claim was that Jesus did not teach the law. You defied any and
all to show you where He did, so I showed you. You are welcome.

 

[Grace777x70]

thanks for the long explaination void of anything true as i have come to fully expect from you over the past year. you have quoted this article several times on this site. and the same purpose remains for you to do so, to explain to people why they arent supposed to take The Words of the Savior and Lord, as meant for them . arent you tired of the circle man? you spend all your =efforts here, explaining why the scripture Just doesnt apply. why people even if they sin , should never allow any guilt for thier offense, never acknowledge thier own conscience which God gave them to grasp what is right and wrong. why Jesus said to forgive others or God will notforgive you<< that just isnt for a believer though. and a hundred other things for the very purpose of pulling people away from Gods word, teaching them to doubt what the Lord actually said. this article you always share, all it does is create doubt, causes people to question what Jesus Christ the Lord in all power and authority over all of the earth, every man woman and child said is the way....

its exaclty how eve was decieved God said one thing, satan came and aked " did he really say that to you? naw, its wrong, ill tell you the real truth, its fine to eat the fruit, its good for you" <<that is your doctrine, and i truly wish people would examine your posts carefully against the word

You are wrong my friend. The truth of the finished work of Christ brings life to those that believe in all that Jesus has already done for us. Take away the finished work of Christ and you are left with a humanistic performance driven false doctrine religion.

The true Christian life is not following Jesus in the gospels - it's having an exchanged life because of what Jesus did in the 4 gospels.

We do "follow Jesus" that is in us now in the New Covenant - just the same as they followed Jesus in the 4 gospels when He was physically with them. Now He lives inside of those that know Him. Now He lives His life in and through us after His death and resurrection.

Any moral religionists can follow good morals but that is not the goal of Jesus. He came to give us His life. He that has the Son has eternal life.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

The problem with Eve is that she wanted to be just like God so that she could follow Him and "be just like God" - only without God doing it in and through her.

 

[Hizikyah]

You are wrong my friend. Take away the finished work of Christ and you are left with a humanistic performance driven false doctrine religion. The true Christian life is not following Jesus in the gospels - it's having an exchanged life because of what Jesus did in the 4 gospels. Now He lives His life in and through us after His death and resurrection.

Any moral religionists can follow good morals but that is not the goal of Jesus. He came to give us His life. He that has the Son has eternal life.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

The problem with Eve is that she wanted to be just like God so that she could follow Him and "be just like God" - only without God doing it in and through her.

...The true Christian life is not following Jesus in the gospels...

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Luke 9:62, “But יהושע said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the reign of Yah.”

 

[Grace777x70]

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Luke 9:62, “But יהושע said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the reign of Yah.”

Did you notice what I said in the rest of the post? It's very telling to see deceitfulness being done by taking a part of what is said without the rest being quoted.

Here it is again:

We do "follow Jesus" that is in us now in the New Covenant - just the same as they followed Jesus in the 4 gospels when He was physically with them. Now He lives inside of those that know Him. Now He lives His life in and through us after His death and resurrection.

Unquote


Yep...following Christ in us now will lead to the true Christian life being expressed in and through us.


Christ lives in us and now we life by His life in us. NOT the law of Moses.

We are saved by His life.

Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

 

[Grace777x70]

I think Jesus was the greatest grace teacher as well as the greatest law preacher.

Jesus gave the law of Moses 2.0 on steroids to those that thought they could live by the law of Moses for life and righteousness and thus expose their need for a Savior.

Jesus also gave grace to those that knew they needed a Savior and to them He gave pure grace with it's empowerments to live by Him alone.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.