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Your making sweeping assumtions and applying them when these things were never stated by me.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 7 -7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

Romans 7 -12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”


I assume nothing, but can state clearly.....you dogmatic view of the law, just like the Pharisees of old has blinded you to the full realization of what Christ accomplished and how that is APPLIED dia grace thru faith unto a believer....HE IS the fulfillment of the LAW in US...the IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST WITHOUT THE LAW BY FAITH...trying to ADHERE to the LAW ONLY PROVES YOUR GUILT...every time you FAIL your guilt is established....wake up man!
 

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Amen! Such people are always trying to imply that we are still under certain laws from the law of Moses that they believe they obey with flying colors and because of that, they will receive eternal life, but the rest of us do not obey those certain laws, so we will not receive eternal life. Christ is just NOT ENOUGH for people who wish to remain under the law of Moses. Oh the pride of man! :rolleyes:
Being "under the Law" means being dead because we broke it. "The wages of transgression to God's Laws is death. This is the "Law of Sin" = "The soul that sins shall die". Jesus freed us from this death, from the law that says we sin, therefore we die. Now we are not "Under the Law" that being dead wherein we were "HELD".

Jesus didn't free us from the definition of sin, He freed us from the death sin caused us. Now we are "FREE" to SERVE God.

Rom. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,(Repentance toward God) and not in the oldness of the letter.(you sin, therefore you die)
 

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I assume nothing, but can state clearly.....you dogmatic view of the law, just like the Pharisees of old has blinded you to the full realization of what Christ accomplished and how that is APPLIED dia grace thru faith unto a believer....HE IS the fulfillment of the LAW in US...the IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST WITHOUT THE LAW BY FAITH...trying to ADHERE to the LAW ONLY PROVES YOUR GUILT...every time you FAIL your guilt is established....wake up man!
The pharisees had their own man made law called the talmud...

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah(Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their revilings.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”[/FONT]

 
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The pharisees had their own man made law called the talmud...

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"



Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”


1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

YEP...we establish it by the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE WORKS OF THE LAW......<----this is what you cannot see because of the proverbial trees of LAW you are ATTEMPTING to UPHOLD which PROVES YOUR GUILT EVERY DAY..

THE strength of sin IS THE LAW!
 

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YEP...we establish it by the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE WORKS OF THE LAW......<----this is what you cannot see because of the proverbial trees of LAW you are ATTEMPTING to UPHOLD which PROVES YOUR GUILT EVERY DAY..

THE strength of sin IS THE LAW!

Romans 8:33, "Who shall bring any charge against Yah's chosen ones? It is Yah who justifies."
 

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YEP...we establish it by the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE WORKS OF THE LAW......<----this is what you cannot see because of the proverbial trees of LAW you are ATTEMPTING to UPHOLD which PROVES YOUR GUILT EVERY DAY..

THE strength of sin IS THE LAW!


Remember the parable of the mustard seed? Remember how at the end of this parable, Jesus stated that "birds of the air" would come in and lodge in "the branches thereof?" Check the birds! If you take the "birds" from the parable of the different kinds of ground? And liken them to the birds "lodging, or perching" amongst the branches of your faith? Oh how much more will this "tree" grow!

Of course, if one is content with how large it has grown already, and has justified within oneself, it's growth is good enough? Then, let the birds continue their feastings!
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 13:31-32, “Another parable He put before them, saying, “The reign of the heavens is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is less than all the seeds, but when it is grown it is greater than the plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the heaven come and dwell in its branches.”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 6:9-10, “Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 5:19-21, And the works of the flesh are well-known, which are these: adultery, whoring, uncleanness, indecency, idolatry, drug sorcery, hatred, quarrels, jealousies, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, murders, drunkenness, wild parties, and the like – of which I forewarn you, even as I also said before, that those who practice such as these shall not inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 5:3-5, “But whoring and all uncleanness, or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart ones, neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving. For this you know, that no one who whores, nor unclean one, nor one greedy of gain, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the reign of Messiah and Yah."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:17, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I shall give him a white stone, and on the stone a renewed Name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:11, “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John (Yahanan) 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:24-29, “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them, shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.” And it came to be, when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]had ended these words, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He was teaching them as one possessing authority, and not as the scribes.”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:22, “And, according to the Torah, almost all is cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”[/FONT]
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Hebrews 9:11-12, "9:11, "But Messiah, having become a High Priest of the coming good matters, through the greater and more perfect Tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, entered into the Most Set-apart Place once for all, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, having obtained everlasting redemption."
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Remember the parable of the mustard seed? Remember how at the end of this parable, Jesus stated that "birds of the air" would come in and lodge in "the branches thereof?" Check the birds! If you take the "birds" from the parable of the different kinds of ground? And liken them to the birds "lodging, or perching" amongst the branches of your faith? Oh how much more will this "tree" grow!

Of course, if one is content with how large it has grown already, and has justified within oneself, it's growth is good enough? Then, let the birds continue their feastings!
This does not bear out and is another man made fallacy.......the birds of the air have zero to do with personal growth spiritually and cannot in any way, shape or form hinder anything
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 55:6-7, "Seek YHWH while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near; Let the wicked forsake his own way and the unrighteous man his own thoughts. Let him return to YHWH, and He will have mercy upon him; return to our Father, for He will abundantly pardon.[/FONT]
 

NayborBear

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This does not bear out and is another man made fallacy.......the birds of the air have zero to do with personal growth spiritually and cannot in any way, shape or form hinder anything
I see now! The birds, were just added for decoration! MEANS nothing! Just some "tradition" added by men, to make void the Word of God! Gotcha! :rolleyes:
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 7:1-10, "This is the word that came to Jeremiah from YHWH, saying: Stand in the gate of The House of YHWH, and proclaim this Word there, and say: Hear the Word of YHWH, all you of Yahdah who enter in through these gates to worship YHWH! This is what YHWH, the Father of Israyl, says: Reform your ways and your doings, so that I may dwell with you in this place. Do not trust in these lying words, saying; This is the sanctuary of YHWH! The sanctuary of YHWH! The sanctuary of YHWH! No! Only if you truly reform your ways and your doings—if you truly execute judgment between a man and his neighbor; If you do not oppress the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor follow after hinder godss (elohim) to your own harm, Only then will I dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, forever and ever. But behold, you trust in lying words that are worthless! Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to baal; lord, follow hinder gods (elohim) you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations?"[/FONT]
 

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Wow thank you so much for bringing this up! halleluYah!


Remember the parable of the mustard seed? Remember how at the end of this parable, Jesus stated that "birds of the air" would come in and lodge in "the branches thereof?" Check the birds! If you take the "birds" from the parable of the different kinds of ground? And liken them to the birds "lodging, or perching" amongst the branches of your faith? Oh how much more will this "tree" grow!

Of course, if one is content with how large it has grown already, and has justified within oneself, it's growth is good enough? Then, let the birds continue their feastings!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:7, “And as you go, proclaim, saying, ‘The reign of the heavens has drawn near.”[/FONT]


Mat 13:31-32, “Another parable He put before them, saying, “The reign of the heavens is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is less than all the seeds, but when it is grown it is greater than the plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the heaven come and dwell in its branches.”

Ezekiyl 17:22-24, “Thus said the Master יהוה, “And I shall take of the top of the highest cedar and set it out. And I Myself shall pluck off a tender one from the topmost of its young twigs, and plant it on a high and lofty mountain. On the mountain height of Yisra’yl I plant it. And it shall bring forth branches, and bear fruit, and become a big cedar. And under it shall dwell birds of every sort, in the shadow of its branches they shall dwell. And all the trees of the field shall know that I, יהוה, have brought down the high tree and exalted the low tree, dried up the green tree and made the dry tree flourish. I, יהוה, have spoken and shall do it.”

Hebrews 12:28-29, "Therefore, since we are receiving a Kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have and hold humility, by which we may serve YHWH acceptably with reverence and awe: For our Father is a consuming fire."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:7, “And as you go, proclaim, saying, ‘The reign of the heavens has drawn near.”[/FONT]