The Nature Of Christ's Resurrection

[WebersHome]

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Q: Jesus Christ is reputed to be the first-fruits from the dead (1Cor 15:20).
How is that true when so many other people were resurrected before him?

A: Christ is the first to return from death with immortality.

● Acts 13:34 . . He raised him from the dead never to return to corruption

● Rom 6:9 . .We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more;
death no longer has power over him.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive
forever and ever

Q: But isn't everyone alive forever and ever; even people in hell?

A: When the Bible speaks of Christ's resurrection, it's always relative to his
dead body rather than his existence.

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[Embankment]

I don't know of anyone who was resurrected before Jesus. Saints who died before Christ's reserection were held in a place bellow called paradise.

 

[FreeNChrist]

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Q: Jesus Christ is reputed to be the first-fruits from the dead (1Cor 15:20).
How is that true when so many other people were resurrected before him?

Chapter and verse?

A: Christ is the first to return from death with immortality.

● Acts 13:34 . . He raised him from the dead never to return to corruption

● Rom 6:9 . .We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more;
death no longer has power over him.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive
forever and ever

Q: But isn't everyone alive forever and ever; even people in hell?

No. Those in hell are no more alive than those who are among the walking dead here and now.....they live even though they are dead. Hell is simply the continuation of that death...eternally. Not unconsciousness. Not ceasing to be. An eternal continuation of the absence of Christ's life.

A: When the Bible speaks of Christ's resurrection, it's always relative to his
dead body rather than his existence.

When the Bible speaks of Jesus resurrection, it is speaking of much more than just the resurrection of His physical body.

 

[dcontroversal]

I don't know of anyone who was resurrected before Jesus. Saints who died before Christ's reserection were held in a place bellow called paradise.

Lazarus
The young maid
The widows son (OT)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Lazarus
The young maid
The widows son (OT)

Resuscitated, not resurrected to never die again.

 

[dcontroversal]

Resuscitated, not resurrected to never die again.

Lazarus had been dead 4 days.....he stood again...that is what resurrected means...comes from ana-stasis and means to stand again.....

 

[FreeNChrist]

Lazarus had been dead 4 days.....he stood again...that is what resurrected means...comes from ana-stasis and means to stand again.....

.....only to die again.

 

[dcontroversal]

.....only to die again.

Did he?

It is appointed unto men ONCE to die.....Lazarus died once....so....how do we jive this anomaly?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Did he?

It is appointed unto men ONCE to die.....Lazarus died once....so....how do we jive this anomaly?

The exceptions do not prove the rule?

 

[dcontroversal]

The exceptions do not prove the rule?

What about the following, where did they go? And again....a verse that states Lazarus died again would be helpful....MAYBE LAZARUS did not die....and went where this group went? Where did they go?


And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[Embankment]

Straw man arguments these...

 

[FreeNChrist]

What about the following, where did they go? And again....a verse that states Lazarus died again would be helpful....MAYBE LAZARUS did not die....and went where this group went? Where did they go?


And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I am sure all who are resurrected to life go where they went.

 

[bluto]

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Q: Jesus Christ is reputed to be the first-fruits from the dead (1Cor 15:20).
How is that true when so many other people were resurrected before him?

A: Christ is the first to return from death with immortality.

● Acts 13:34 . . He raised him from the dead never to return to corruption

● Rom 6:9 . .We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more;
death no longer has power over him.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive
forever and ever

Q: But isn't everyone alive forever and ever; even people in hell?

A: When the Bible speaks of Christ's resurrection, it's always relative to his
dead body rather than his existence.

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Because Christ ressurection was a permanent resurection paving the way for the rest of us.

In Him
bluto

 

[WebersHome]

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It is appointed unto men ONCE to die.....Lazarus died once....so....how do
we jive this anomaly?

People's first death is inevitable (Rom 5:12-19)

Any, and all, of people's deaths after that are iffy; for example the second
death depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

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[Dino246]

Did he?

It is appointed unto men ONCE to die.....Lazarus died once....so....how do we jive this anomaly?

Good point... Scripture doesn't record Lazarus dying "again". Nor does it record the death of the widow's son, the young maid, or the "many" who were raised around the time of the crucifixion. However, nor does it say that they didn't die "again". So we're guessing on that.

Further, Scripture plainly says that Enoch and Elijah did not die, but were taken. Unless they are the two witnesses of Revelation, where it is stated that they will die, we have additional anomalies. I would suggest that the statement that mankind is appointed to die once is a general rule rather than an absolute which not even God can over-rule. However, even in that I am guessing.

Straw man arguments these...

It is helpful to use the "Reply with quote" button at the lower left of each post, so that everyone else knows to what you are responding. As to strawman arguments particularly, I don't see any above, because nobody has presented a simplified and caricatured version of an argument only to shoot it down. This kind of forum allows for short comments, which don't attempt to address all possible responses to another's post. That doesn't make them strawman arguments.

 

[Locutus]

If Jesus tasted death for every man physically, why are Christians dying physically?

(Heb 2:9 KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If Jesus tasted death for every man physically, why are Christians dying physically?

(Heb 2:9 KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

There is a death much worse than mere physical death.

 

[Locutus]

There is a death much worse than mere physical death.

I think that was my point.

 

[dcontroversal]

If Jesus tasted death for every man physically, why are Christians dying physically?

(Heb 2:9 KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

What if the death of Christ was more indicative of the spiritual aspect?....MY GOD,MY GOD why have your forsaken me.

and...Not all will die physically....We which are alive and remain unto the body presence (coming) of the Lord shall not go before the ones who are asleep.

 

[Embankment]

Good point... Scripture doesn't record Lazarus dying "again". Nor does it record the death of the widow's son, the young maid, or the "many" who were raised around the time of the crucifixion. However, nor does it say that they didn't die "again". So we're guessing on that.

Further, Scripture plainly says that Enoch and Elijah did not die, but were taken. Unless they are the two witnesses of Revelation, where it is stated that they will die, we have additional anomalies. I would suggest that the statement that mankind is appointed to die once is a general rule rather than an absolute which not even God can over-rule. However, even in that I am guessing.



It is helpful to use the "Reply with quote" button at the lower left of each post, so that everyone else knows to what you are responding. As to strawman arguments particularly, I don't see any above, because nobody has presented a simplified and caricatured version of an argument only to shoot it down. This kind of forum allows for short comments, which don't attempt to address all possible responses to another's post. That doesn't make them strawman arguments.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.