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I did some brainstorming and I have a few ideas to throw out.
If we study this verse...
Isaiah 13:10
"For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine"
...we find that the 'Stars of Heaven' are related to the Constellations and therefore may be a reference to the Mazzaroth or Zodiac.
Since there are twelve signs in the Zodiac, it could mean that one third or "four of the twelve" are fallen.
This would be like the 'gods' coming to Earth.
Note that Draco is a Constellation...
Job 38:32
"Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?"
This could be a type of astrological alignment.
Another way to look at this is via this verse...
Jude 1:13
"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever"
Wandering Stars are planets.
Is the Bible telling us there are twelve planets?
Note that the names of our planets are named after gods.
Lucifer is often compared to Venus the Day Star...
I've often wondered if some of these 'Stars falling from Heaven' could be non other than Alien DNA on meteorites that the Scientists use to re-create the Giants.
Stars are 'bodies' yet they are Seed/DNA...
1 Corinthians 15:38
"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body"
1 Corinthians 15:40
"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another"
So it *is* literal when you let the Bible determine the meaning of Words.
Anyhoo...
I made this slide a few years ago to help study some of this out...
If we study this verse...
Isaiah 13:10
"For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine"
...we find that the 'Stars of Heaven' are related to the Constellations and therefore may be a reference to the Mazzaroth or Zodiac.
Since there are twelve signs in the Zodiac, it could mean that one third or "four of the twelve" are fallen.
This would be like the 'gods' coming to Earth.
Note that Draco is a Constellation...
Job 38:32
"Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?"
This could be a type of astrological alignment.
Another way to look at this is via this verse...
Jude 1:13
"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever"
Wandering Stars are planets.
Is the Bible telling us there are twelve planets?
Note that the names of our planets are named after gods.
Lucifer is often compared to Venus the Day Star...
I've often wondered if some of these 'Stars falling from Heaven' could be non other than Alien DNA on meteorites that the Scientists use to re-create the Giants.
Stars are 'bodies' yet they are Seed/DNA...
1 Corinthians 15:38
"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body"
1 Corinthians 15:40
"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another"
So it *is* literal when you let the Bible determine the meaning of Words.
Anyhoo...
I made this slide a few years ago to help study some of this out...
like the camel going through the eye of the needle', that's it, right here, it's an
expression of another thought, - it doesn't 'literally-mean', a camel going through
the 'eye-of-a-needle, it's just another thought of saying that it is almost an impossiblility,
that anyone could do it...
expression of another thought, - it doesn't 'literally-mean', a camel going through
the 'eye-of-a-needle, it's just another thought of saying that it is almost an impossiblility,
that anyone could do it...
The Sun Moon and stars falling is a Hebrew way of speaking about spiritual and physical authorities. In Genesis Joseph
had a dream where the Sun Moon and stars bowed down to him.Does it say that his family checked the sky to see whether
everything was still up there? Of course not they realized that the heavenly bodies represented them. The Bible has many examples where people and nations are represented by things found in nature and this one example.
had a dream where the Sun Moon and stars bowed down to him.Does it say that his family checked the sky to see whether
everything was still up there? Of course not they realized that the heavenly bodies represented them. The Bible has many examples where people and nations are represented by things found in nature and this one example.
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Old adage: "You can't con an honest man."
When I worked in the factory, a few of us had lunch together in the lunch room. An older guy was really upset because he bought a VCR (back in those days) in a box from another coworker who got it when "it fell off the back of the truck." (Code words for "it was stolen.") And when he took it home and opened the box it was an old phone book.
I laughed at him and told him "You can't con an honest man."
I saw his face turn from momentary fury to laughing with me. He got it. He knew it was illegal but the price was too good for him to pass up.
Same thing with anyone being "tricked" by Satan. You just cannot con an honest man. No one was tricked. They thought they were getting a better deal underhandedly.
When I worked in the factory, a few of us had lunch together in the lunch room. An older guy was really upset because he bought a VCR (back in those days) in a box from another coworker who got it when "it fell off the back of the truck." (Code words for "it was stolen.") And when he took it home and opened the box it was an old phone book.
I laughed at him and told him "You can't con an honest man."
I saw his face turn from momentary fury to laughing with me. He got it. He knew it was illegal but the price was too good for him to pass up.
Same thing with anyone being "tricked" by Satan. You just cannot con an honest man. No one was tricked. They thought they were getting a better deal underhandedly.
Right,the angels were tricked in to going along with Lucifer,as he convinced them that they could prosper in the rebellion,but when I say,hopped on board,I mean they went along with Lucifer,who initiated the rebellion,which hopped on board means someone goes along with someone's agenda.They present the agenda,and they hop on board,go along with it.Lucifer did not force the angels to rebel with him,but they went along with him.
It could be that nobody can sin except an outside source tempts them,and it could be that Lucifer was the only one that could sin,and would be that outside source for the angels that went along with him,and the outside source for Eve,and then Eve was the outside source for Adam when she showed him it was alright to eat of the tree,for she did not die.Lucifer was made perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him,and he might be the outside source that started all the sin,and he is the father of lies.
It could be that nobody can sin except an outside source tempts them,and it could be that Lucifer was the only one that could sin,and would be that outside source for the angels that went along with him,and the outside source for Eve,and then Eve was the outside source for Adam when she showed him it was alright to eat of the tree,for she did not die.Lucifer was made perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him,and he might be the outside source that started all the sin,and he is the father of lies.
Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Psalm 19:1-4
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork.
2 Day unto day utter speech, and night unto night shows knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
Celestial events have testified as witnesses to each of the major events of Christ from his birth (i.e. star of Bethlehem) to his death (i.e. 3hr solar eclipse). Why wouldn't God continue this trend at Christ's coming?
Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Because all those supposed "cosmic" signs are figurative not to interpreted literally.
From Adam Clarke's commentary:
For the stars of heaven "Yea, the stars of heaven" - The Hebrew poets, to express happiness, prosperity, the instauration and advancement of states, kingdoms, and potentates, make use of images taken from the most striking parts of nature, from the heavenly bodies, from the sun, moon, and stars: which they describe as shining with increased splendor, and never setting.
The moon becomes like the meridian sun, and the sun's light is augmented sevenfold; (see Isa 30:26); new heavens and a new earth are created, and a brighter age commences.
On the contrary, the overflow and destruction of kingdoms is represented by opposite images. The stars are obscured, the moon withdraws her light, and the sun shines no more! The earth quakes, and the heavens tremble; and all things seem tending to their original chaos, See Joe 2:10; Joe 3:15, Joe 3:16; Amo 8:9; Mat 24:29; and De S. Poes. Herb. Prael. 6 et IX.
And the moon shall not cause her light to shine - This in its farther reference may belong to the Jewish polity, both in Church and state, which should be totally eclipsed, and perhaps shine no more in its distinct state for ever.
From Adam Clarke's commentary:
For the stars of heaven "Yea, the stars of heaven" - The Hebrew poets, to express happiness, prosperity, the instauration and advancement of states, kingdoms, and potentates, make use of images taken from the most striking parts of nature, from the heavenly bodies, from the sun, moon, and stars: which they describe as shining with increased splendor, and never setting.
The moon becomes like the meridian sun, and the sun's light is augmented sevenfold; (see Isa 30:26); new heavens and a new earth are created, and a brighter age commences.
On the contrary, the overflow and destruction of kingdoms is represented by opposite images. The stars are obscured, the moon withdraws her light, and the sun shines no more! The earth quakes, and the heavens tremble; and all things seem tending to their original chaos, See Joe 2:10; Joe 3:15, Joe 3:16; Amo 8:9; Mat 24:29; and De S. Poes. Herb. Prael. 6 et IX.
And the moon shall not cause her light to shine - This in its farther reference may belong to the Jewish polity, both in Church and state, which should be totally eclipsed, and perhaps shine no more in its distinct state for ever.
So for the star of Bethlehem (a conjunction of Jupiter and Regulus) that guided the Chaldean astronomers to Christ, which then went into retrograde as the earth rotated to appear to hover overhead, you're saying was figurative? And the 3hrs of darkness that covered the land that was immediately followed by a severe earthquake at his crucifixion, something a large enough planetary body could affect with its gravitational pull if close enough to us, was figurative too? And when God says that the literal stars in heaven are supposed to be for signs that was meant figuratively as well? How are these things explained?
At what point did we change from literal to figurative when it comes to celestial events, or are you saying all celestial events were figurative throughout the whole of scripture since the beginning?
At what point did we change from literal to figurative when it comes to celestial events, or are you saying all celestial events were figurative throughout the whole of scripture since the beginning?
Ok I can agree with that... So then we simply disagree on whether the "prophetic" passages that detail celestial events are literal or figurative. Ok fair enough.
Still, this fall, for the first time in human history, there will be an astronomical rendition of the woman of Revelation 12:1-2 on September 23. Virgo has never had all of the right elements in place before then. So for that reason alone I'm excited because for me it's proof that the heavens do declare the glory of God; his plan, like scripture says.
Jupiter (called "the king" planet, with a "piercing" in its side and "stripes") is currently in retrograde in the belly area of Virgo and when it finally passes through like the picture above shows it will have been in her for about 42 months, the average time of a human baby (i.e. a "son of man").
Now whether there's another red object in the sky that causes falling stars in September or in the future, or EVER, I'll just wait and see. I just can't understand what else would cause people to hid in underground caves in terror like the events of Revelation 6 describe except if not for dangerous falling meteors hitting the earth, etc.
...*shrugs* guess I'll be a nut all by my lonesome lol. I rather be one of the nutjobs who's wrong, honestly, then a non-nut who's right.
Still, this fall, for the first time in human history, there will be an astronomical rendition of the woman of Revelation 12:1-2 on September 23. Virgo has never had all of the right elements in place before then. So for that reason alone I'm excited because for me it's proof that the heavens do declare the glory of God; his plan, like scripture says.
Jupiter (called "the king" planet, with a "piercing" in its side and "stripes") is currently in retrograde in the belly area of Virgo and when it finally passes through like the picture above shows it will have been in her for about 42 months, the average time of a human baby (i.e. a "son of man").
Now whether there's another red object in the sky that causes falling stars in September or in the future, or EVER, I'll just wait and see. I just can't understand what else would cause people to hid in underground caves in terror like the events of Revelation 6 describe except if not for dangerous falling meteors hitting the earth, etc.
...*shrugs* guess I'll be a nut all by my lonesome lol. I rather be one of the nutjobs who's wrong, honestly, then a non-nut who's right.
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Meteors are not going to hit the earth,for the only thing that will hit the earth is the wrath of God upon the heathen,when it is the time for Him to punish the world for their sins and iniquities against Him,although God will cause hailstones the weight of a talent to come upon them.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It is Jesus going against them,and He is not using meteors to go against them,which Jesus will give them plagues,as outlined of the 7 vials,and at the battle of Armageddon the plague what they shall be given is their flesh will melt off their bones,and Jesus will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.
God is not trying to destroy the earth,but only going against the heathen,and the flesh is weak,so why would He have to use meteors to go against such weak flesh,and it will be God using His own power over the elements to go against them,and at the end of their punishment the brightness of His glory to go against them.
The stars in Revelation 12 are referring to the fallen angels that Lucifer deceived to go along with him in rebellion against God,and then it states that he wanted to devour the child the comes from Israel,the child Christ Jesus,and the stars sure did not fall back then.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It is Jesus going against them,and He is not using meteors to go against them,which Jesus will give them plagues,as outlined of the 7 vials,and at the battle of Armageddon the plague what they shall be given is their flesh will melt off their bones,and Jesus will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.
God is not trying to destroy the earth,but only going against the heathen,and the flesh is weak,so why would He have to use meteors to go against such weak flesh,and it will be God using His own power over the elements to go against them,and at the end of their punishment the brightness of His glory to go against them.
The stars in Revelation 12 are referring to the fallen angels that Lucifer deceived to go along with him in rebellion against God,and then it states that he wanted to devour the child the comes from Israel,the child Christ Jesus,and the stars sure did not fall back then.