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that what my opinion about 2 Thesalonians 2:1-4
Paul heard, there is a teaching among Christian in thesalonica that second coming and rapture already happen
Than Paul wrote a letter to them, tell them that it is wrong.
Than Paul give them more information:. Both second coming and rapture not going to happen before the antichrist reveal
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Paul heard, there is a teaching among Christian in thesalonica that second coming and rapture already happen
Than Paul wrote a letter to them, tell them that it is wrong.
Than Paul give them more information:. Both second coming and rapture not going to happen before the antichrist reveal
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Hi Brother Jackson,
Great question and thanks for asking it. Ready for a great answer? You too many friend from Finland.
If you look back to 1 Thes 2, you will see that they were suffering tribulation at the hands of the unbelieving Jews in their city also. These Jews in Thessaloniki hated the Christian church and were jealous of their passion and success so they formed a mob and attacked Jason accusing him of turning the "world upside down." See Acts 17.
Fast forward to 2 Thes 1 (written less than a year later). Here Paul comforts the Church of the Thessalonians promising them rest (from their persecution) when Christ is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels. Now both the believing and non- believing Jews of Thessaloniki returned to Jerusalem for the Passover of 66 AD as was the custom of Jews all over the known world.
During that Passover, James the Just (brother of Christ) was murdered by the scribes and Pharisees. Immediately Vespasian came and surrounded the city trapping them all inside. Logic would suggest that the Christian Jews from Thessaloniki would have congregated with the Church on Mount Zion and they would have fled the city during the period when Vespasian returned to Rome and before Titus arrived to replace him. Thus, they were "with us" as Paul stated. Because the persecution stopped for the 3.5 years that they were in Pella, they were "given their rest."
The unbelieving Jews (AKA the "tares") having been collected from every nation, language and tongue, all now gathered to the city were literally wiped out thus fulfilling Acts 3 and Deu 28 and other passages. Jerusalem had swollen to 3-5 times its size as it does for every Passover. God had His angels lead the Church out, all 144,000 + of them per Rev 14 and kept them safe per Rev 12.
Meanwhile, all the unbelieving Jews who were trapped inside endured the Great Tribulation with over 650,000 killed by famine and the sword of their own leaders. Since most of them recognized Caesar as their King as indicated here in Acts 17...
“These who have turned the world upside down have come here too. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jason has harbored them, and these are all acting contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying there is another king—Jesus.”
...when Caesar arrived (first Vespasian, the Titus) as loyal subjects they thought Caesar was there to rescue them from their miseries (the 3 tyrants). Many actually fled to the Romans if they were lucky enough to get out of the city alive. God sent them a strong delusion so that they would believe Rome was there to help. Make sense?
Great question and thanks for asking it. Ready for a great answer? You too many friend from Finland.
If you look back to 1 Thes 2, you will see that they were suffering tribulation at the hands of the unbelieving Jews in their city also. These Jews in Thessaloniki hated the Christian church and were jealous of their passion and success so they formed a mob and attacked Jason accusing him of turning the "world upside down." See Acts 17.
Fast forward to 2 Thes 1 (written less than a year later). Here Paul comforts the Church of the Thessalonians promising them rest (from their persecution) when Christ is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels. Now both the believing and non- believing Jews of Thessaloniki returned to Jerusalem for the Passover of 66 AD as was the custom of Jews all over the known world.
During that Passover, James the Just (brother of Christ) was murdered by the scribes and Pharisees. Immediately Vespasian came and surrounded the city trapping them all inside. Logic would suggest that the Christian Jews from Thessaloniki would have congregated with the Church on Mount Zion and they would have fled the city during the period when Vespasian returned to Rome and before Titus arrived to replace him. Thus, they were "with us" as Paul stated. Because the persecution stopped for the 3.5 years that they were in Pella, they were "given their rest."
The unbelieving Jews (AKA the "tares") having been collected from every nation, language and tongue, all now gathered to the city were literally wiped out thus fulfilling Acts 3 and Deu 28 and other passages. Jerusalem had swollen to 3-5 times its size as it does for every Passover. God had His angels lead the Church out, all 144,000 + of them per Rev 14 and kept them safe per Rev 12.
Meanwhile, all the unbelieving Jews who were trapped inside endured the Great Tribulation with over 650,000 killed by famine and the sword of their own leaders. Since most of them recognized Caesar as their King as indicated here in Acts 17...
“These who have turned the world upside down have come here too. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jason has harbored them, and these are all acting contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying there is another king—Jesus.”
...when Caesar arrived (first Vespasian, the Titus) as loyal subjects they thought Caesar was there to rescue them from their miseries (the 3 tyrants). Many actually fled to the Romans if they were lucky enough to get out of the city alive. God sent them a strong delusion so that they would believe Rome was there to help. Make sense?
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The modern translations have gotten you to the point that you can't read objectively lol. NOBODY had taught them that it already happened, this is where the newer translations are leading you astray.
From the KJV:
2 Thessalonians 2:2 KJV
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,(their mind will shaken and they will be troubled in the very near FUTURE) neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us (the spirit, word and letter are not in the PAST, they will come in the future,) as that the day of Christ is at hand. (When will the spirit, word and letter come? When something so TERRIBLE happens in their lives that they will believe the day of Christ came.
These people that this letter was written to are just like most people on this thread, they believe the day of the LORD and the day of CHRIST are the same event. Paul is telling them that what is coming in the near future IS NOT the day of Christ... The day of the Lord came in AD70 and Paul was warning them that this event WAS NOT the day of Christ.
The inspired word of God is for Christians of all times, not just for them and not just for us. If Paul had his letters written to one church read to another church then why wouldn't he do the same for the letter to the Romans or Corinthians.
I see what your point is, but we have no way to know (at least I don't know of a way) whether all of the original writings were read amongst all churches... we just have to assume that God wanted the early church to have his word just like we have his word today.
Also no matter if the letters were read or not, those believers in Thessalonica KNEW that Jersusalem had been destroyed... they KNEW something big had happened - their question would be was it the day of the Lord or the day of Christ.
I see what your point is, but we have no way to know (at least I don't know of a way) whether all of the original writings were read amongst all churches... we just have to assume that God wanted the early church to have his word just like we have his word today.
Also no matter if the letters were read or not, those believers in Thessalonica KNEW that Jersusalem had been destroyed... they KNEW something big had happened - their question would be was it the day of the Lord or the day of Christ.
Paul is warning them to not be deceived in believing that the day of the Lord has already come i.e. God's wrath had not begun.
There is nothing deceiving about trusting in the Lord's promise that he went to the Father's house to prepare places for all believers and that he is coming back to get the church and take them back to the Father's house. - John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18
There is nothing deceiving in believing that every believer has been credited with righteousness and has been reconciled to God and therefore is not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. - Rom.4:23, 2 Cor.5:18
There is nothing deceiving in believing the Lord's promise to keep the living believers "out of" that time of wrath that is coming upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. - Rev.3:10
There is nothing deceiving about believing in the word of God which says that Jesus rescues believers from the coming wrath. - 1 Thes.1:10
There is nothing deceiving about understanding that Jesus took upon himself the wrath that believers deserve and thereby satisfying it completely and fully, so that God's wrath no longer rests upon us. - John 3:36
There is nothing deceiving about trusting in the scriptures that reveal the church/bride following the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses to end the age. - Rev.17:14, 19:6-8, 14
The Lord is going to rescue his bride prior to pouring out his wrath upon a Christ rejecting world.
There is nothing deceiving about trusting in the Lord's promise that he went to the Father's house to prepare places for all believers and that he is coming back to get the church and take them back to the Father's house. - John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18
There is nothing deceiving in believing that every believer has been credited with righteousness and has been reconciled to God and therefore is not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. - Rom.4:23, 2 Cor.5:18
There is nothing deceiving in believing the Lord's promise to keep the living believers "out of" that time of wrath that is coming upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. - Rev.3:10
There is nothing deceiving about believing in the word of God which says that Jesus rescues believers from the coming wrath. - 1 Thes.1:10
There is nothing deceiving about understanding that Jesus took upon himself the wrath that believers deserve and thereby satisfying it completely and fully, so that God's wrath no longer rests upon us. - John 3:36
There is nothing deceiving about trusting in the scriptures that reveal the church/bride following the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses to end the age. - Rev.17:14, 19:6-8, 14
The Lord is going to rescue his bride prior to pouring out his wrath upon a Christ rejecting world.
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the way Paul wrote is for thesalonians, because that is the problem face by thesalonians, may be 50 years latter when people start canonize Bible, that letter spread to all Christian.
if that letter design for Jerusalem, normally it will wrote to Jerusalem.
If Paul targeting all Christian than he will wrote to all churches.
If if you want to write to your friend in Los angles, will you write to New York?
if that letter design for Jerusalem, normally it will wrote to Jerusalem.
If Paul targeting all Christian than he will wrote to all churches.
If if you want to write to your friend in Los angles, will you write to New York?
Never mind lol, let's move on to something else. 
Point is, it doesn't matter who the letter was written to, ALL churches knew when Jerusalem was destroyed and I'm sure they were speculating as to what prophetic event they just witnessed.
Point is, it doesn't matter who the letter was written to, ALL churches knew when Jerusalem was destroyed and I'm sure they were speculating as to what prophetic event they just witnessed.
The book of Joel is about the day of the Lord, it is the destruction of earthly Jerusalem. This IS NOT the day of Christ. There is nothing future in the book of Joel, the entire book is centered around earthly Jerusalem. The day of the Lord happened when Christ came the first time and culminated with the AD 70 destruction. Jesus is the DAY STAR.