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here is a good and simple image displaying da timeline of what happens in what order.
the reason why da church is raptured before the time of jacob's trouble is bcuz God resumes His program with Israel. we are taken out of da way into heaven to da marriage supper of the Lamb and judgment seat of Christ where we are rewarded.
btw u get an extra crown if u are waiting for the blessed hope appearing of the Lord Jesus

2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Where does that 7 year period come from in the bible?
 
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Where does that 7 year period come from in the bible?
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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Seeing how Christ in ONE WEEK confirmed the Abrahamic covenant, caused the sacrifices to cease by the sacrifice his own body and made Jerusalem desolate for the multitude of their abomniations, why would you think Daniel 9:27 is "The Antichrist" signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel? Isn't that kind of like blaspheming Christ's work on the cross?
 

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Did your surgery go well PW?

Yes extremely well. Thanks for asking. 6 days out and I'm walking with little pain and doing my PT. The Lord has answered my prayers and those of all who prayed for me.
 

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all past fulfilled prophecies were fulfilled literally so its a good sign da future ones will be too. why cant folks just believe the bible.
this spiritual babble is alexandrian. read about it.
Spiritual babble? You just revealed yourself.
 

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Seeing how Christ in ONE WEEK confirmed the Abrahamic covenant, caused the sacrifices to cease by the sacrifice his own body and made Jerusalem desolate for the multitude of their abomniations, why would you think Daniel 9:27 is "The Antichrist" signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel? Isn't that kind of like blaspheming Christ's work on the cross?
NO, many events in that 7 year period have never happened. It is also the fulfillment of Jacobs Trouble.

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This is clearly the end of the age, the Second Advent judgment, because the bringing in of righteousness did not occur 7 years after the death of the Messiah, nor did the destruction of Jerusalem fit the 7 year period (occurring 37 years later). This is the future 7 year period which ends with sin's final judgment and Christ's reign of righteousness; i.e., the return of Christ and the establishment of His rule. These 7 years constitute the 70th week of Daniel.
he will make a firm covenant. "He" is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chaps. 2 and 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future tribulation period of "one week," i.e., the final 7 years of v. 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a 7 year covenant, his own pact with Israel for what will turn out actually to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the "little horn" of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24-26, and the evil leader of NT prophecy (Mk 13:14; 2Th 2:3-10; Rev 13:1-10). That he is in the future, even after Christ's First Advent, is shown by 1) Mt 24:15; 2) by the time references that match (7:25; Rev 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and 3) by the end here extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1-3) and Rev 11:2; 12:14; 13:5. middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the 70th week of years, i.e., 7 years leading to Christ's second coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and a half years of tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5; called "great tribulation," cf. Mt 24:21) as God's wrath intensifies. abominations... one who makes desolate. The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God's presence there (cf. 1Ki 9:3; 2Th 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Mt 24:15). See 11:31 [note]. complete destruction. God permits this tribulation under the Antichrist's persecutions and ultimately triumphs, achieving judgment of the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Mt 13:41-43).
The MacArthur Study Bible.
 
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NO, many events in that 7 year period have never happened. It is also the fulfillment of Jacobs Trouble.
I sincerely hope I get to watch you and your ilk stand before the Lord and explain YOUR VIEW of Daniel 9:27 to him.
 
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are u saying Jesus commits abomination of desolation then?
Daniel 9:27 KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And FOR the overspreading (multitude) of ABOMINATIONS (Committed by the Jews), He (Christ) will make it (Jerusalem) DESOLATE. The JEWS are the abomination, not Jesus!
 
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But there will be no more tears by then:(:(.
thats right there will be no tears.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

why cant folks just believe the bible? why are u not believing what God says there and mocking it? ive never faced this in da real world. da people who ive taught have believed the bible. are u in ministry plainword? are u an elder in a church? a teacher? a preacher?
 

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Seeing how Christ in ONE WEEK confirmed the Abrahamic covenant, caused the sacrifices to cease by the sacrifice his own body and made Jerusalem desolate for the multitude of their abomniations, why would you think Daniel 9:27 is "The Antichrist" signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel? Isn't that kind of like blaspheming Christ's work on the cross?

So to you after the cross the AOD is fulfilled?
 
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I think the abomination that made Jerusalem desolate was the murder of Jesus.... when Jesus stood on the cross to offer his blood.
oh boy. the abomination of desolation is about the temple. the antichrist declares himself to be god in the temple, thats the abomination of the desolation when sacrifices cease.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 
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oh boy. the abomination of desolation is about the temple. the antichrist declares himself to be god in the temple, thats the abomination of the desolation when sacrifices cease.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Hopefully one day you will realize that the Bible is about Jesus and not the fictional "The Antichrist".
 

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I think the abomination that made Jerusalem desolate was the murder of Jesus.... when Jesus stood on the cross to offer his blood.

I have seen that point of view several times reading along in the different threads.

Each time I see someone say it that way I think about it(questions pop up,lol) In Matthew 24:15,16..., they are told to leave if they are in Judea and if not don't go into Judea but they didn't leave for many years after the cross.

It also made me wonder why in Acts 21 James, the elders ect. saw any need to continue in this if they knew the AOD was in place(about 25-27 years after the cross.

In Acts 18:21 Paul goes to keep this feast and was wanting to be there by Pentecost Acts 20:16 . In Acts 24:11-12 Paul states he went there to "worship" at the "temple".

So it makes me wonder why he would do that and why the elders would even be in Judea if they thought that the AOD was there and in place as Jesus referred to in Matthew 23:15 .
 

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To my American brothers and sisters (and this would apply to everyone if you replace "America" for your country). Let's say hypothetically the following:

God tells a modern day prophet that in 40 years America would be utterly destroyed with not one person left alive inside it's boarders and that America's destruction would come by "fire" in one day with little warning. Let's say this prophet was out there on TV every night explaining that God was about to turn His back on America for her many sins if she doesn't repent and return to Him. The American media mock this prophet as do most of the people relying on America's military strength and its natural boarders (2 oceans). The prophet lists the sins of America such as Abortion, Gay Marriage, the acceptance of all kinds of immorality as virtues while punishing anyone promoting God's values such as Christians. Sick of hearing it, the prophet is brought up on phony charges and thrown in jail. Churches are under constant attack and finally stop holding open services, most go into hiding or disband.

Let's say 36 years into the 40 year warning America has fallen into a brutal civil war split along ideological lines (liberals and conservatives) who are more focused on defeating each other rather than defending the nation against the many outside mounting threats. Add to it the extreme pressure of over-spending on social welfare programs and interest on a run-away national debt. Fights between the races is common place as are assassinations of political leaders on both sides. Taxation is at an all time high eliminating the middle class with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Inflation is through the roof and food prices soar as food supplies dwindle. Mobs and gangs attack and rob citizens every night by the thousands with total impunity leaving many dead in their homes. Looting is everywhere and the police have stopped patrolling. Violence in the streets every night force residences to stay inside.

Government corruption is at an all time high and nobody has faith in the judicial system which has been completely politicized. Presidents are assassinated regularly and congress has stopped meeting out of fear. The military is called home from all over the world to try to bring stability but they fall into small units of gangs looking out for themselves just like the other robbers.

Countries hostile to America watching all of this from the outside start plotting together on how they can take advantage of this and perhaps defeat America once and for all. In a couple of years, they will carry out a united attack utterly destroying America.

These were essentially the conditions inside Jerusalem in 67 AD. (Incidentally, these were also the conditions inside Rome in 475 AD before it fell). God then lifts up another prophet giving him graphic details and instructions because the time is "near." God instructs this prophet to get the word out to His chosen only as the time is too late for the nation to repent.

If you were this Christian Jewish prophet who know all of these things were coming upon your country, would you follow God's instructions and warn other like-minded Christians urging them to flee? Would you write letters to the churches you helped establish, even churches outside of America who were facing similar afflictions? Would it be considered BIG NEWS across the globe that America was on the verge of total collapse? Would anyone inside or outside America be talking about it?

If you were this prophet with all this knowledge, do you instead write about conditions in the world 2,000 years into the future while completely ignoring the pending destruction about to hit your country? Futurists would have us believe John and the other prophets completely ignored the events unfolding within their homeland and instead focused entirely on some far distant set of circumstances to people they didn't know who did not even exist yet.
 
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I have seen that point of view several times reading along in the different threads.

Each time I see someone say it that way I think about it(questions pop up,lol) In Matthew 24:15,16..., they are told to leave if they are in Judea and if not don't go into Judea but they didn't leave for many years after the cross.

It also made me wonder why in Acts 21 James, the elders ect. saw any need to continue in this if they knew the AOD was in place(about 25-27 years after the cross.

In Acts 18:21 Paul goes to keep this feast and was wanting to be there by Pentecost Acts 20:16 . In Acts 24:11-12 Paul states he went there to "worship" at the "temple".

So it makes me wonder why he would do that and why the elders would even be in Judea if they thought that the AOD was there and in place as Jesus referred to in Matthew 23:15 .
Matthew 24:21 KJV
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


Didnt Paul and the other Pharisees start rounding up and persecuting Christians right after the death of Christ?
 
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I have seen that point of view several times reading along in the different threads.

Each time I see someone say it that way I think about it(questions pop up,lol) In Matthew 24:15,16..., they are told to leave if they are in Judea and if not don't go into Judea but they didn't leave for many years after the cross.

It also made me wonder why in Acts 21 James, the elders ect. saw any need to continue in this if they knew the AOD was in place(about 25-27 years after the cross.

In Acts 18:21 Paul goes to keep this feast and was wanting to be there by Pentecost Acts 20:16 . In Acts 24:11-12 Paul states he went there to "worship" at the "temple".
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So it makes me wonder why he would do that and why the elders would even be in Judea if they thought that the AOD was there and in place as Jesus referred to in Matthew 23:15 .
We also have to consider what the abomination that made Jerusalem is. Do we really think that defiling an earthly temple in God never dwelt in would even be considered an abomination to God. How does an earthly building even get defiled?