Suicide instant hell?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
P

pottersclay

Guest
#61
Yes, God covers this subject in His Word... so He has in fact answered this question:

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him

Our body is designed to be a dwelling place for God (2 Corinthians 6:16), and since whatever we sow is what we reap (Galatians 6:7,8)... if we murder ourselves, then we are disqualified from spending eternity with the Lord simply because we have rejected Him by destroying His temple having murdered ourself

Pretty simple.

Plus, God says we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice unto Him and this is our "reasonable" service. Murdering yourself is rejecting this command and is a sin.

Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

It's problematic when others claim you can whack yerself and still go to Heaven because they cannot make that assurance since they don't decide who gets in and who doesn't and... it promotes suicide because many asking about this are thinking about whacking themselves and/or satan is pushing them to do so.

They only way to tell for sure is whack yerself and see where you end up.
Such compassion.
 

valiant

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2015
8,025
124
63
#62
what do you mean?

no other choice?


like a saw film?


id face w.e. came in prayer


not murder myself expecting 0% chance of miracle

id rather someone else rack judgement on themselfs

than put some against me by sinning
what of the man who throws himself on a bomb to save others?
 

valiant

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2015
8,025
124
63
#63
Suicide is self-murder. You did not create yourself and have no right to destroy yourself. The Bible says our bodies are the temple of God, and to treat it as such. Murdering it is the worse possible thing you can do- destroying God's temple that HE built. Murders will not go to heaven. The blood of Jesus is powerful enough to cleanse any and every sin. But the problem is you would no longer be in Christ- you would be a prodigal son with no time to repent and come back to the Father before it's too late.

Having said that, if one is in a state of mind to where they don't understand what they are doing, yet do not have the intention of murder, it may not be counted as murder. Even on the earth, judges can pronounce "innocent by reason of insanity." But This is a Judge who needs no clues or evidence, Who knows every thought and intention of the heart, and if He finds the intention of murder, "Do not be deceived. Murderers, slanderers, homosexual offenders, shall not enter."
so the man who threw himself on a bomb to save others is lost? The fact that we are a temple of God is stated as a reason against going with a prostitute not suicide.
 
Last edited:

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,862
9,581
113
#65
No it isn't.. You're still killing yourself, only you're doing it for a noble cause for someone else to live..


laying ones life down for others is different than taking your own life.
 

valiant

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2015
8,025
124
63
#66
Yes, God covers this subject in His Word... so He has in fact answered this question:

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him

Our body is designed to be a dwelling place for God (2 Corinthians 6:16), and since whatever we sow is what we reap (Galatians 6:7,8)... if we murder ourselves, then we are disqualified from spending eternity with the Lord simply because we have rejected Him by destroying His temple having murdered ourself.
so the Christian who threw himself on a bomb during a public service invaded by Muslim extremists, to save his fellow Christians, is lost?

A woman who kills herself when her mind has gone through advanced Parkinsons disease or such like is automatically lost?

Pretty simple.
yes I think you are.

Plus, God says we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice unto Him and this is our "reasonable" service. Murdering yourself is rejecting this command and is a sin.
This assumes his state of mind allows him to do this?

It's problematic when others claim you can whack yerself and still go to Heaven because they cannot make that assurance since they don't decide who gets in and who doesn't and... it promotes suicide because many asking about this are thinking about whacking themselves and/or satan is pushing them to do so.
you have never been severely mentally ill
 

valiant

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2015
8,025
124
63
#69
Originally Posted by valiant
what of the man who throws himself on a bomb to save others?
Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee

also want to add

if you give your life to protect others or die knowingly doing Gods work its different

sacrifice of Jesus biggest example


and samson too
lol... i said this earlier
Jesus did not commit suicide. His death was at the hands of others.

Samson took his own life. But he did not directly do it to save others. He was destroying the enemy. He was like a suicide bomber, It shows that God views things differently from us.

There is a difference between giving your life, and actually taking your own life. My example is of the latter.
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
#70
Jesus did not commit suicide. His death was at the hands of others.

Samson took his own life. But he did not directly do it to save others. He was destroying the enemy. He was like a suicide bomber, It shows that God views things differently from us.

There is a difference between giving your life, and actually taking your own life. My example is of the latter.
which is why i said dying for others or doing Gods work is different. (than suicide)


never said jesus commited suicide or samson saved others


sorry maybe i should spelled it all out


thought the implication was clear
 

Marano

Senior Member
Dec 7, 2011
398
32
28
29
#71
I think scripture is clear whoever commits suicide, God will destroy that person, so yeah it's hell and after that lake of fire for those who kill themselves, I believe.

1 Corinthians 3:17: "If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
 
Dec 3, 2016
1,674
25
0
#72
The discussion really shouldn't even be about Heaven and hell
Well, Jesus spoke a lot about hell so He says it's real and seeks to save people from it.

I'm not a big fan of opposing the viewpoint of Jesus Christ and what He says in His Word directly or thru His Apostles, but I do understand that many are going by emotions and pop culture/thought rather than what God says.

In the end we will find that God's Word is right and every opposing view is wrong. Until then... whatever folsk want to believe is their right and I will part company with those that oppose God's Word.




Such compassion
Such rejection of what God said in His Word... that will not end well for anyone that engages in that sort of thing.





how dare we insinuate that He cannot see what we mere humans see?
Yeah, like who said this???

You do realize that God cannot change His Word, what He has already said, cause if He does... He would be a liar, right?




laying ones life down for others is different than taking your own life.
Exactly... WAY different!




I think scripture is clear whoever commits suicide, God will destroy that person, so yeah it's hell and after that lake of fire for those who kill themselves, I believe.
1 Corinthians 3:17: "If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."

That's absolutely true!

And, we live in a time where ear ticklers come up with opposing viewpoints to what God says in His Word and they do so by twisting scripture and.or ignoring scripture.

God's Word IS Truth and those that do not love the Truth will believe lies and some of the replies in this discussion is a good example of that.
 

BenFTW

Senior Member
Oct 7, 2012
4,834
981
113
33
#73
Well, Jesus spoke a lot about hell so He says it's real and seeks to save people from it.

I'm not a big fan of opposing the viewpoint of Jesus Christ and what He says in His Word directly or thru His Apostles, but I do understand that many are going by emotions and pop culture/thought rather than what God says.

In the end we will find that God's Word is right and every opposing view is wrong. Until then... whatever folsk want to believe is their right and I will part company with those that oppose God's Word.






Such rejection of what God said in His Word... that will not end well for anyone that engages in that sort of thing.







Yeah, like who said this???

You do realize that God cannot change His Word, what He has already said, cause if He does... He would be a liar, right?






Exactly... WAY different!






1 Corinthians 3:17: "If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."

That's absolutely true!

And, we live in a time where ear ticklers come up with opposing viewpoints to what God says in His Word and they do so by twisting scripture and.or ignoring scripture.

God's Word IS Truth and those that do not love the Truth will believe lies and some of the replies in this discussion is a good example of that.
Way to get something in the text that wasn't there. You extrapolated a meaning that wasn't intended, I even explained what I meant. The discussion of suicide is one that should be discussed in consideration of people grieving, not just a theological discussion.
 
Dec 3, 2016
1,674
25
0
#74
The discussion of suicide is one that should be discussed in consideration of people grieving
That is error... It should only be discussed according to what God says in His Word

Any other discussion is not of the Lord and is void of His presence because without His Word it's just the wisdom and emotions of man... which is what most "gospel" is in the end times, ignoring what God says in His Word.
 

BenFTW

Senior Member
Oct 7, 2012
4,834
981
113
33
#75
That is error... It should only be discussed according to what God says in His Word

Any other discussion is not of the Lord and is void of His presence because without His Word it's just the wisdom and emotions of man... which is what most "gospel" is in the end times, ignoring what God says in His Word.
Meekness and respect. When presenting truth it is important that one be gentle, especially in areas of correction otherwise you may harden their heart to the truth. So no, it is not erroneous, it is sound wisdom in accordance with His word. There are sensitive topics that need to be handled with care, suicide is one of them.
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#76
So I have confused about suicide. Now I was told that if you commit suicide you instantly go to hell which i know is a Catholic doctrine but I also have talked with many Christians who believe the same. Now according to a lot of Catholics if you even try to kill yourself your only destination is hell, and my friend when I asked her about suicide and hell she said yes if you kill yourself you go to hell because you cannot ask for forgiveness when your dead( she believes if you don't repent for every sin you make you can lose your salvation) But even though i wanted to explain to her that isn't how grace works i couldn't because sadly she cannot be talked to like that she gets very emotional and frustrated and has a heart problem.

Here is the thing though, I have never found in scripture that suicide is instant condemnation. I do wonder how things would have turned out for me when i tried to kill myself, i was just saved but things at my house were so deeply depressing and I was so alone that I couldn't deal with it anymore and even though I was afraid I would go to hell in my tears I begged for God to forgive me and attempted ti kill myself of course luckily I failed.

But many people commit suicide because of deep pain and sadness loneliness and heart ache, if one was saved but killed themselves because of the heaviness of all this would god since he knows more than anyone how deeply pain and sadness can cut you have mercy on them or would he send them to fires?
Most people who ask about suicide are contemplating suicide. So thank you for not asking when you're contemplating it, because then I can be completely truthful. (I hold back on those contemplating it, because I will not push them over into it.)

Yeah, that going-to-hell thingy really is Catholic based, not scriptural based. It seems as if that is blaspheme in their minds -- the one and only sin guaranteed to send you to hell.

That said, I think it is insanity. We have such a strong sense of self-preservation that the only way suicide can become an option is insanity. I was that insane once. (Truth be known, it was being suicidal that got me on Disability not the chronic overwhelming pain that brought me to that point.) I get where pain can take us over the edge. And I don't think insanity is a sin.
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#77
I don't think it even has anything to do with the right state of mind. We cannot make special case scenarios that exempt people from faith in Christ. It is almost a form of universalism, that attempts to save people outside of faith in the Lord. There are no caveats, it is Christ, and Him alone. Did they believe in Jesus? Christ and Him crucified? Then their faith has made them well, in that case, reconciliation to God.

No one can place a sin above Christ's sacrifice unless they wish to supersede His finished work. No sin outweighs His death, He paid its penalty. To suggest that a sin sends a believer (genuine) to Hell is to reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His grace is sufficient.

Another thing. Not only is the person robbing those in this life, but they are robbing themselves in the next. How? What rewards would they have stored up in Heaven having shortened their life? Such a person, one considering suicide, should be heavenly minded and reminded that their actions now have eternal consequences to the quality of life then. They need to informed that they have a purpose and God will lead them. That He can set them free from that which burdens them and His offers them life.
It would help if we first establish suicide is sin. I see no biblical evidence it is. (And the body-is-a-temple thingy was about fornicating, not suicide.)
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#78
Everyone who posted in this thread gave very insightful responses. i especially liked how the point was made about Christ dying for all sins, like if a believer killed themselves from not being able to deal with the deep pain and sadness it's a very good point did Jesus really die for all sins or was his sacrifice limited ty Ben. Also i think blue explain it perfectly As i always it begins and ends with out hearts. Miri and everyone else who posted also deserve applause as their posts were also well informed and insightful.

To be honest I found it very difficult to accept the whole kill yourself and you go to hell thing it just seemed out of character of god( speaking of those already in Christ of course) But i never accept or reject something without seeking the truth of the matter first and everyone has indeed helped me to find that truth
I honestly think the reason the RCC came up with that was to dissuade people from committing suicide.
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#79
What if the person has absolutely no other choice? I think God would understand why they did what they did.
There is always another choice. It might not be a good one, but there is always another choice.
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#80
I think the biggest thing about suicide, on the sin spectrum, is control. You are taking you're own life, your own way. But the thing is...you're telling God He can't save you. He can't do it. And also you are His temple, and you are literally destroying it.

i have no blunt yes or no answer, but these are things to consider.
For me, it was very much about "I seriously can't take this anymore, God." Toward the end of that trial, the only thing that kept me alive was a promise made to hubby. (Not to kill myself.) I couldn't even live day-to-day, but moment by moment, always holding off on that option.

But God was very much there. My pain started on September 7, 1999. On January 1, 2000 a new law came along that doctors and hospitals had to treat pain. They gave me exactly one pain pill per day, until I saw the specialist. It meant I could choose which three hours in any given day to lower that pain enough to think about something other than OUCH!