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his own did not receive him - their choice not to receive him
yet to all who did receive him - their choice to receive him, their choice to believe in him and because of that they have the right to become children of God; i.e. born of God
This is saying that those who received him and believed in him FIRST were born of God . . . . we just read it differently and no use rehashing over and over . . . .
As for John 6:29 . . . (v27) Don't work for the food that perishes but (work) for the food that lasts for eternal life . . . . (28) What can we do to perform the works of God? they asked. Jesus replied, "This is the work of God--that YOU BELIEVE in the one he has sent." The question wasn't what works does God perform; it was what can WE DO TO PERFORM the works of God. . . . . Don't you work for food that perishes? So we are to work for the food that lasts for eternal life. Further in the context: (v40) For this is the will of my Father: that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES in him may have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. (v44) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets: And they will all be taught by God. EVERYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO AND LEARNED FROM THE FATHER COMES TO ME. - Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That is how the Father draws - the Father draws - some will reject and some will accept.
The difference in what we believe comes down to this - I believe we are born again because of our belief in Christ first and you believe you were elected to believe and therefore the sole reason of why you are born again is because you were first elected, then you believed - Do I have the correct understanding?
This is the work of God--that you believe in the one whom he has sent . . . you believe that God "makes" you believe before you are born again . . . I believe that because of my belief in Christ, I am born again and that it is available to ALL men which goes with MANY verses John 3:16,18; John 3:36; John 6:40; John 20:31; Rom. 3:22; Gal. 2:16; 3:22; 1 Tim. 1:16; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 5:10,13. It's not faith that is a gift; it is salvation that is a gift and salvation comes through faith (belief) in Jesus Christ. You are saved by grace, THROUGH FAITH . . . faith in whom? Jesus Christ. (Faith is a fruit of the Spirit.)
Romans 12:3 (context) Therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, I urge you to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God: this is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. - Where does that say faith is a gift . . .
Hebrews 12:2 Therefore, since we also have such a large cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily ensnares us. Let us run with endurance the race that lies before us, keeping our eyes on Jesus, the source and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that lay before Him endured a cross and despised the shame and has sat down at the right hand of God's throne. . . . The source/author and perfecter of our faith - we are to keep our eyes upon Jesus who raised his faith to perfection and set before us the HIGHEST example of faith . . . .
yet to all who did receive him - their choice to receive him, their choice to believe in him and because of that they have the right to become children of God; i.e. born of God
This is saying that those who received him and believed in him FIRST were born of God . . . . we just read it differently and no use rehashing over and over . . . .
As for John 6:29 . . . (v27) Don't work for the food that perishes but (work) for the food that lasts for eternal life . . . . (28) What can we do to perform the works of God? they asked. Jesus replied, "This is the work of God--that YOU BELIEVE in the one he has sent." The question wasn't what works does God perform; it was what can WE DO TO PERFORM the works of God. . . . . Don't you work for food that perishes? So we are to work for the food that lasts for eternal life. Further in the context: (v40) For this is the will of my Father: that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES in him may have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. (v44) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets: And they will all be taught by God. EVERYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO AND LEARNED FROM THE FATHER COMES TO ME. - Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That is how the Father draws - the Father draws - some will reject and some will accept.
The difference in what we believe comes down to this - I believe we are born again because of our belief in Christ first and you believe you were elected to believe and therefore the sole reason of why you are born again is because you were first elected, then you believed - Do I have the correct understanding?
This is the work of God--that you believe in the one whom he has sent . . . you believe that God "makes" you believe before you are born again . . . I believe that because of my belief in Christ, I am born again and that it is available to ALL men which goes with MANY verses John 3:16,18; John 3:36; John 6:40; John 20:31; Rom. 3:22; Gal. 2:16; 3:22; 1 Tim. 1:16; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 5:10,13. It's not faith that is a gift; it is salvation that is a gift and salvation comes through faith (belief) in Jesus Christ. You are saved by grace, THROUGH FAITH . . . faith in whom? Jesus Christ. (Faith is a fruit of the Spirit.)
Romans 12:3 (context) Therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, I urge you to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God: this is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. - Where does that say faith is a gift . . .
Hebrews 12:2 Therefore, since we also have such a large cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily ensnares us. Let us run with endurance the race that lies before us, keeping our eyes on Jesus, the source and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that lay before Him endured a cross and despised the shame and has sat down at the right hand of God's throne. . . . The source/author and perfecter of our faith - we are to keep our eyes upon Jesus who raised his faith to perfection and set before us the HIGHEST example of faith . . . .
I agree. We will always have differences of opinions and that is not a bad thing. We often each have a "part" that is needed. But it is when the bad behavior comes in with those that do disagree. I too will not interact with them anymore until I see the behavior change.
No good comes from further interaction because we can't "hear" what the other person is saying nor will we "allow" them to have an opinion that is different then ours - so we feel it is our "Christian duty" to publicly insult them and de-mean them.
I am using my free will to do this too....
Phil. 2:13 is always at play.
No good comes from further interaction because we can't "hear" what the other person is saying nor will we "allow" them to have an opinion that is different then ours - so we feel it is our "Christian duty" to publicly insult them and de-mean them.
I am using my free will to do this too....
Phil. 2:13 is always at play.One of my main objectives in this discussion was to show that NO human beings are Zombies.. So of course i do not believe that calvinists are Zombies.. I believe calvinists have Free will.. They have the free will to believe they have no free will.. So if you would quote my post where i said Calvinists are Zombies i will apologize for that wrong statement publicly to you..
On another point you have declared me to be a Zombie:: Now i can kind of understand if you feel i called calvinists Zombies, Us humans who are offended often hit back because of hurt emotions before taking a breath and taking the better path..
On another point you have declared me to be a Zombie:: Now i can kind of understand if you feel i called calvinists Zombies, Us humans who are offended often hit back because of hurt emotions before taking a breath and taking the better path..
First you hear and believe the gospel according to God's word; i.e. faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God which brings about godly sorrow - then you repent and are baptized for the remission of sins and receive the gift of holy spirit;(Acts 2:38) i.e. born again, sealed with holy spirit. (Eph. 1:13 1) When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and 2) when you believed in him, 3) you were also sealed with the promised holy spirit; i.e. born again)
If you confess with you mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth resulting in salvation. (HCSB) Romans 10:9,10
Does God renew our minds?
If you confess with you mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth resulting in salvation. (HCSB) Romans 10:9,10
Does God renew our minds?
"Staying focused on Jesus will perfect our faith."
amen, i saw earlier someone say " faith is to accept the " finished work of the cross", to me faith is to accept all of the word of God and believe it including the sacrifice of Jesus, but equally His word because
romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." kjv
i think translations have some influence in things because niv currently says this which is different
romans 10:17 "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."
hearing about Jesus is wonderful, Hearing His word builds faith when we dont reject it like he says so many times
amen, i saw earlier someone say " faith is to accept the " finished work of the cross", to me faith is to accept all of the word of God and believe it including the sacrifice of Jesus, but equally His word because
romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." kjv
i think translations have some influence in things because niv currently says this which is different
romans 10:17 "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."
hearing about Jesus is wonderful, Hearing His word builds faith when we dont reject it like he says so many times
amen we understand election by looking at the example of isreals election. God elected them, they persisted in rejecting His ways and let them destroy themselves. God wants us to choose Him, because he has done so much to provide us with Life, and has Loved us so well. Love has to be willingly from both parties or it isnt Love.
The way I see it - Lazarus had probably already repented since him and Jesus were such good friends - Lazarus knew Jesus was the Messiah and believed he was the Messiah and Jesus raised him from the dead. No trick involved!
[Regenerate - 1) formed or created again; 2) spiritually reborn or converted; 3) restored to a better, higher, or more worthy state] Is regenerate a biblical term? Just wondering because I put it into biblegateway and came up with 0 verses.
[Regenerate - 1) formed or created again; 2) spiritually reborn or converted; 3) restored to a better, higher, or more worthy state] Is regenerate a biblical term? Just wondering because I put it into biblegateway and came up with 0 verses.
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The way I see it - Lazarus had probably already repented since him and Jesus were such good friends - Lazarus knew Jesus was the Messiah and believed he was the Messiah and Jesus raised him from the dead. No trick involved!
[Regenerate - 1) formed or created again; 2) spiritually reborn or converted; 3) restored to a better, higher, or more worthy state] Is regenerate a biblical term? Just wondering because I put it into biblegateway and came up with 0 verses.
[Regenerate - 1) formed or created again; 2) spiritually reborn or converted; 3) restored to a better, higher, or more worthy state] Is regenerate a biblical term? Just wondering because I put it into biblegateway and came up with 0 verses.
And you're saying Jesus wouldn't have brought Lazarus back to life, if Lazarus hadn't repented? From memory, it seems he brought him back for his sisters' sakes. Think about it. Where was Lazarus when he was dead? In Paradise! Why would he want to come back by that time? And Jesus knew where Lazarus was, so he wasn't crying for Lazarus. He'd be seeing Lazarus in a short while. He was crying because of the sorrow of the sisters.