Extreme heretics are rampant in cc..

JIMBO43 · May 16, 2017

1 they deny salvation comes at Judgement day..

They deny we must not show are self approved befor Gods son..

They deny we must forgive for ourselfs and from the heart

They deny that we must repent from the heart..

They deny we must perform Good works to save a brother from sin..

They deny we must hope for salvation..

They deny that works are essential to salvation..

They deny we will be judged for our good works and bad works..

They deny quite alot and take a lot of evil from Good works..

They see alot of evil in good works..

They are taring brothers apart..

They are destroying peoples faith..

they are influencing many believers here...

This is my report of cc in my investigations.... sad but true...and they say they are my brother too ?

BillG · May 16, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Ok Jimbob my friend I will respond to your post.
Not gonna do it with verses to back up your post.

I will just ask you to quote posts that you consider is extreme heresy that backup your post here

You have made 12 accusations here.

With regards to the last 3 you are as guilty as those you accuse, and I assume for points 11-12 I am included.

With regards to your 10th statement you have read my recent quote in "Not by Works" and how I agree with this.

With regards to point 11 some would construe given you points 1-9 you are doing the same.

With regard to post 12 you are doing the same with points 1-9.

Angela53510 · May 16, 2017

Herestics again??

Well at least this post was somewhat different.

As for your points, if I could really read the English through the typos and spelling mistakes, I think you have some major heresies going on, unless I am not reading the words correctly. (Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but sometimes, good English to communicate is very important. I know you might not have come from a place or educational background that emphasized this, or perhaps you have learning disabiities, but still, some things are not discernible in your OP.)

My challenge to you would be:

Go through each of your 12 points, and post a few Bible passages to prove you are right. Because, some of the points are just wrong. I would like to see where you get your bad theology from.

RickyZ · May 16, 2017

One man's heresy is another man's truth.

RickyZ · May 16, 2017

Angela53510 said:

Herestics again??

Well at least this post was somewhat different.

As for your points, if I could really read the English through the typos and spelling mistakes, I think you have some major heresies going on, unless I am not reading the words correctly. (Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but sometimes, good English to communicate is very important. I know you might not have come from a place or educational background that emphasized this, or perhaps you have learning disabiities, but still, some things are not discernible in your OP.)

My challenge to you would be:

Go through each of your 12 points, and post a few Bible passages to prove you are right. Because, some of the points are just wrong. I would like to see where you get your bad theology from.

Exactly. If you're not willing to get the small things right (like grammar and spelling) I don't trust you to get the big things right (like doctrine and heresy).

blue_ladybug · May 16, 2017

The belief that we don't have eternal salvation is heresy.

The belief that our works get us saved, keep us saved, and get us to heaven, is heresy.

Depleted · May 16, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

I don't use the word "heretic" often, but if this is your definition of what a heretic is? You're the heretic.

The good news is still Christ died for whosoever will believe. Pray for the Lord to save you. Believe in the true Lord, (as opposed to this false one you've developed), and you too can be saved.

BillG · May 16, 2017

Angela53510 said:

Herestics again??

Well at least this post was somewhat different.

As for your points, if I could really read the English through the typos and spelling mistakes, I think you have some major heresies going on, unless I am not reading the words correctly. (Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but sometimes, good English to communicate is very important. I know you might not have come from a place or educational background that emphasized this, or perhaps you have learning disabiities, but still, some things are not discernible in your OP.)

My challenge to you would be:

Go through each of your 12 points, and post a few Bible passages to prove you are right. Because, some of the points are just wrong. I would like to see where you get your bad theology from.

Again?????

BillG · May 16, 2017

Maybe someone can define heresy and how it relates to salvation.

To be honest it confuses me, to the extent of salvation.

Ugly · May 16, 2017

Translation. There are people with different views than I have, so they are heretics. Sounds just like the world, if you disagree with me I'm going to label you something bad.

BillG · May 16, 2017

Ugly said:

That sounds about right given the responses we see on this site at time, labelling something/someone bad.

But at what point does hersey jeopardise salvation?

Ariel82 · May 16, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

don't know who. "They" are but I can tell you what I believe.

Yes, ultimate salvation of the body and world happens on Judgement day: new heaven,new earth. New Resurrected bodies.

we do need to seek Jesus approval. He covers us in His blood and cleanses before showing us to God the Father. He does this throughout our whole life.

lots of people need to forgive from the heart. It would be a more peaceful forum if we all remembered this truth.

repent from the heart and continously renew our mind with God's truth.

it is a good work to rebuke a brother or sister and keep them from sinning or to call them back to God if They wandered away from His path.

we hope for when Jesus comes and gives us new bodies, but when we are born again of the Holy Spirit we see part of our salvation/rebirth now in this life. The renewing of our soul.

I deny that works are essential to gain or maintain salvation.,however they are needed to display God's glory to the rest of the world and God has some for each of us to do individually and as a church.

we will be judged and reward in heaven,but it's not about salvation as long as our foundation is in Christ. God will save us from the fire even if our works burn up upon judgement day.

well that doesn't sound good.

wonder who they are?

it's okay,God will draw them back into fellowship with Him and each other.

God is stronger then they are.

let's pray that God protects them and gives them discernment.

??? Whew,,..can't be talking about me. I say i"m your sister.

Do you agree?

Angela53510 · May 16, 2017

RickyZ said:

Thanks for saying this! It was in my mind when I posted, but I get so much flak about being an overeducated heretic, or is it loser or legalist? (Hard to keep track)

But, it was my exact thought! LOL

Grace777x70 · May 16, 2017

RickyZ said:

There is definitely an element of truth here in what you are saying - to a certain degree.

Although Peter and John were fisherman that were not "edge-ube-cated" and being educated within itself is no indication of whether the Holy Spirit has shown people spiritual truths.

We don't get revelation just on the basis because we study - we get revelation because of the Holy Spirit revealing Christ to us.

Personally I love to study the scriptures but that within itself does not mean we have the Spirit's interpretation of things.

The problem comes when those that do study - then think they can be-little others because they don't "study" the way I did or you didn't go to the seminary "I did". Or my Greek teacher is better than yours. You don't have "my" education.

The insulting of others because they don't do things the way that they do or have "their education" is a direct indication of bad behavior and is trying to "lord it over others faith" by spiritual manipulation.

It is really just witchcraft which is a work of the flesh . The mixing of things together to get a desired result. We get the word for pharmacy and pharmaceuticals from the Greek word for witchcraft.

So, the reality is the more the education does not necessarily equate to revelation from the Holy Spirit on the things of God.

In saying that - I encourage all people to follow the way that the Lord has for you to go - and if it is studying in a particular way - go for it and you'll be a blessing to the body of Christ.

valiant · May 16, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

salvation from the guilt and punishment for sin is past for those who truly believe.

salvation from the power of sin is gradually received through sanctification,
.

You are speaking of salvation from the presence of sin.

Our self will never be practically approved of before God's son. He died that we might be forgiven,

who does?

who does? I have never seen it.

We rejoice that we are justified from the past.

We experience present salvation daily.

We have a hope for salvation from the presence of sin for the future,

..

They are NOT, They are an essential fruit of it.

For rewards yes,

all our righteousness is like a menstrual cloth

do you not do the same?

who are 'they'?

maybe you are wrong?

stonesoffire · May 16, 2017

We better get the "steaks" a burning...

valiant · May 16, 2017

RickyZ said:

ok but remember some are not basic English speakers.

Locutus · May 16, 2017

Hairytic checking in.....

Grace777x70 · May 16, 2017

valiant said:

Sometimes we stop and say "What in the world did they just say? Was that English? This is an example.

[video=youtube;FyyT2jmVPAk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyT2jmVPAk[/video]

stonesoffire · May 16, 2017

My family came from Spennymoor....now I know why the thought comes to my mind "bloody hell". Lol.

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