God is In Control?

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SovereignGrace

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Denadii said:
Why do Christians cop out on their responsibilities with this blat? God is NOT in control in the Earth...If He is...Show me
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The only sinless man who ever lived was crucified by wicked men and God was in control over that incident.

If God is not in control, then He is not God.

Ppl always wonder why bad things happen to good ppl. However, none of us are good. The only Good Man was crucified.

The question shouldn't be why do bad things happen to good ppl, but does good things happen to bad ppl?
 
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Angela53510 said:
I seriously can't believe this is even a question! Do you not read your Bibles???
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Obviously not. Maybe rather hopefully not, as in if they have and cannot see this nor deduce it there will be no convincing them of what they've already read. When has a person who has started a thread, begging the question, ever been convinced they are wrong by solid evidence presented? I don't think it has ever happened.



 
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While the OP may be serious, he has begun this thread with a common logical fallacy: a burden-of-proof reversal. In it, he makes a statement and challenges others to disprove it, instead of offering evidence to support it.

Anyone can do that, on any topic. That's the nature of a discussion board... sadly.
 
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Denadii said:
Wow. You ARE tired. We, Christians are in control Psalm 115:16 Heaven belongs to Adonai, but the earth he has given to humankind.
I've already given you three scriptures.
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We christians are nothing and dust in the wind without our Lord and redeemer Jesus Christ. He is given us wisdom and strengh. If we are in controle, then poor World. Look how the World is treating to christians. We are in controle?
The World and the devil can only do what they want because God let them. Till a certain point. That God is in controle you can know if you read the Scriptures. Everything will come as he said. Our pitty is that we would like to much the Details which he has not revealed.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
The only sinless man who ever lived was crucified by wicked men and God was in control over that incident.

If God is not in control, then He is not God.

Ppl always wonder why bad things happen to good ppl. However, none of us are good. The only Good Man was crucified.

The question shouldn't be why do bad things happen to good ppl, but does good things happen to bad ppl?
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Most of this post is wrong. The only sinless man who ever lived was crucified by sinful men. True God was not in control there...The sinless man was...

None of us are good....Wrong. You cannot be righteous and a sinner at the same time.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
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"I'm a born again spirit filled believer in Jesus the Anointed One. I walk, or at least I try to walk in His anointing. I fall a lot so I'm in no position to judge anybody who falls too."

Denadii'

This is your introduction above.

Today you seem to be pushing a theory that the Garden of Eden was not on Earth, and that somehow this translates into God having no authority on Earth.
Perhaps you can explain where Lalaland, I mean the Garden of Eden, was and by what means, astral travel perhaps, Adam and his wife reached Earth after being banished from the Garden, and why there is no Biblical evidence for this ridiculous claim?

Furthermore, there is an agenda, still hidden away, why you are pushing such outlandish theories.
To me it seems you have more in common with Mormans than Christians.

You can clear this up by coming clean - as I requested before - and if I am wrong I will apologise for casting doubt on you.
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What do you mean 'by coming clean
 
preacher4truth

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graceNpeace said:
"I'm a born again spirit filled believer in Jesus the Anointed One. I walk, or at least I try to walk in His anointing. I fall a lot so I'm in no position to judge anybody who falls too."

Denadii'

This is your introduction above.

Today you seem to be pushing a theory that the Garden of Eden was not on Earth, and that somehow this translates into God having no authority on Earth.
Perhaps you can explain where Lalaland, I mean the Garden of Eden, was and by what means, astral travel perhaps, Adam and his wife reached Earth after being banished from the Garden, and why there is no Biblical evidence for this ridiculous claim?

Furthermore, there is an agenda, still hidden away, why you are pushing such outlandish theories.
To me it seems you have more in common with Mormans than Christians.

You can clear this up by coming clean - as I requested before - and if I am wrong I will apologise for casting doubt on you.
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Genesis 2:6 makes it quite clear they were on Earth. I never thought we would have to defend this, or, answer such absurdities. But I am learning to not say "I've seen it all." Surely someone is making a more remarkable and "chimerical" thread, or is about to...lol!
 
Dan_473

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Why do Christians cop out on their responsibilities with this blat? God is NOT in control in the Earth...If He is...Show me
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JOB 38:12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning or assigned a place for the dawn
JOB 38:13 so that it could grab the earth by its edges and shake wicked people out of it?
 
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What do you mean 'by coming clean
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Sorry about that. The dog wanted to go online. So again...What do you mean about coming clean? I have no ulterior motives here. What you see is what I am. Should I tell you what I see? Not to hurt feelings. I see a woman of no or little imagination, little to no sense of humor and a large sense of self. Judgmental and intolerant of ideas other than her own. How am I doing?

The idea that God is not in control in the Earth comes from scripture that you, so far, have ignored, choosing instead to attack me. The idea that Eden was not or is not on the Earth is not a new idea, since there is no sign of either the garden or the angel guard.
You want to make me some kind of atheist or blasphemer because you are too afraid to consider anything but the doctrines you have been taught by men who don't even read the bible.

That's the impressions I get.....Girl....I'm a writer, a researcher and a thinker....You should at least try the last one. I know it hurts but you get used to the pain of thinking.
 
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JOB 38:12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning or assigned a place for the dawn
JOB 38:13 so that it could grab the earth by its edges and shake wicked people out of it?
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Good questions Dan... The answer is...If it works, why fix it? These are questions that God asked Job when Job started whining about God
 
Angela53510

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I seriously can't believe this is even a question! Do you not read your Bibles???


Psalm 50:7-12

7 “Hear, O my people, and I will speak;
O Israel, I will testify against you.
I am God, your God.
8 Not for your sacrifices do I rebuke you;
your burnt offerings are continually before me.
9 I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is mine.

12 “If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness are mine." Psalm 50:7-12
"24 The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein," Psalm 24:1

And for those of you who don't think the OT counts, here is the last verse quoted in the NT by Paul:

"For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.” 1 Cor. 10:26

And a personal favourite of mine, which screams "God is in control!"

"Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,
“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God
The almighty reigns" Rev 19:6
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Since the OP seems to have missed this post, proving his thesis totally wrong, I am reposted these verses.

I rarely bump up my own post, but since he commented on everyone's posts but mine, I feel left out! NOT!

You wanted Scriptures showing God is in control of the earth, and here are only a few of the many that definitively prove that GOD IS IN CONTROL!!
 
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Angela53510 said:
Since the OP seems to have missed this post, proving his thesis totally wrong, I am reposted these verses.

I rarely bump up my own post, but since he commented on everyone's posts but mine, I feel left out! NOT!

You wanted Scriptures showing God is in control of the earth, and here are only a few of the many that definitively prove that GOD IS IN CONTROL!!
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Friend, nobody said that God does not own the Earth...Not even the Word....My contention is simply that man is in charge in the Earth...Do you deny the scriptures I shared? The Psalm you shared above does not say that God is in charge Church doctrines often contradict Bible doctrine and this is one of them, that God is in control.
 
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Angela53510 said:
Since the OP seems to have missed this post, proving his thesis totally wrong, I am reposted these verses.

I rarely bump up my own post, but since he commented on everyone's posts but mine, I feel left out! NOT!

You wanted Scriptures showing God is in control of the earth, and here are only a few of the many that definitively prove that GOD IS IN CONTROL!!
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Thanks for reposting Angela I did miss it. I do apologize My only possible excuse is that I'm in the middle of my new book and I shouldn't be multitasking....Chats like this replace the games I used to play to relax in the middle of a job...Perhaps I should go back to the games. LOL
 
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Angela53510 said:
Since the OP seems to have missed this post, proving his thesis totally wrong, I am reposted these verses.

I rarely bump up my own post, but since he commented on everyone's posts but mine, I feel left out! NOT!

You wanted Scriptures showing God is in control of the earth, and here are only a few of the many that definitively prove that GOD IS IN CONTROL!!
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Actual proof doesn't count. ;)

It's like a thread where someone said God hates the wicked. One asked for proof, but then said proof couldn't be any passage with Jesus dealing with Pharisees. "Prove it but don't use any verses that prove it, I won't accept them!" LOL!!!!!
 
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preacher4truth said:
Actual proof doesn't count. ;)

It's like a thread where someone said God hates the wicked. One asked for proof, but then said proof couldn't be any passage with Jesus dealing with Pharisees. "Prove it but don't use any verses that prove it, I won't accept them!" LOL!!!!!
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Now that is strange...Jesus, dealing with the Pharisees did not demonstrate hate..So how would that be proof anyway?

I did give scriptures to prove my stance.
 
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Denadii said:
Good questions Dan... The answer is...If it works, why fix it? These are questions that God asked Job when Job started whining about God
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JOB 38:22 Have you been to the warehouses where snow is stored or seen the warehouses for hail
JOB 38:23 that I have stored up for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war?
 
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Denadii said:
Now that is strange...Jesus, dealing with the Pharisees did not demonstrate hate..So how would that be proof anyway?

I did give scriptures to prove my stance.
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I don't know how it could prove it, and I'm not suggesting the verses would. Just making a point, and some humor, relax. ;)
 
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Denadii said:
Friend, nobody said that God does not own the Earth...Not even the Word....My contention is simply that man is in charge in the Earth...Do you deny the scriptures I shared? The Psalm you shared above does not say that God is in charge Church doctrines often contradict Bible doctrine and this is one of them, that God is in control.
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So is this some kind of "absentee landlord" theory? Really??

My suggestion is that you read Job. Here is the perfect example of Satan challenging God about one of his servants, and God, who is totally in control of EVERYTHING in the world, doles out permission piece by piece letting Satan test Job.

"And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” 9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord." Job 1:8-12

Here, God gives permission, which Satan does NOT have, to destroy everything but Job himself. (Later, God gives him permission to do more!) Satan cannot move a step beyond what God commands! WHY?? Because God is in total control of everything. And that certainly includes this earth.

What you need to do, is gain an understanding of the sovereignty of God. That means God is the sole ruler, the mover, the shaker, the creator and he sustains and keeps everything, including this earth under his rule and power.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross." Col. 1:15-20

I think it is so sad when people have such a truncated and impoverished view of God. Because if God is not in total control of everything, then not only is he not God, as someone already posted, but we are in big trouble on this earth!

Here is my suggestion to you. Read the Bible over and over, from cover to cover, if you want to witness the sovereignty of God. If you do not find it, then come back and post all those verses which show God in despair, saying "Oops! I didn't realize this was going to happen!" Or "What am I am I going to do now, things are such a mess?" Or, "if I just had a bit more power, or foreknowledge or if I could have known that was going to happen, I could have prevented this calamity!"

But you won't find that anywhere. Instead, you will find God in control of every stage and every single thing that happens. I admit, you have taken the "free will" concept one step further to its logical conclusion. Because if a mere person could thwart the salvic plan of God, by deciding against God, and God is not in control of the heart of even one person, how could he possibly be in control of the whole earth?

But, since he is totally in control of everything, as the Bible proves over and over, and, in fact, the world would fall apart completely without his presence and power, it becomes incumbent upon you to search the Word and discover the real God, not this straw man puppet you have created and failed to prove in any way shape or form!

God is in control!
 
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