God is In Control?

[Desertsrose]

Friend, nobody said that God does not own the Earth...Not even the Word....My contention is simply that man is in charge in the Earth...Do you deny the scriptures I shared? The Psalm you shared above does not say that God is in charge Church doctrines often contradict Bible doctrine and this is one of them, that God is in control.

Hi Denadii,

God did tell Adam to take dominion and subdue the earth. But not absolutely. In other words, God steps in or has angels step in to prevent, allow or dictate what will take place.

God is still in charge of all things, right? He still intervenes in what man does.

“This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchersAnd the decision is a command of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know
That the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind,
And bestows it on whom He wishes
And sets over it the lowliest of men.” Daniel 4:17

Man killed Jesus, but only because God had the control over what happened. God gave man the ability to do what they did. Had He not given control, Jesus would not have died.

“You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.” John 19:11All authority of man is under God's control.

There is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Romans 13:1

 

[wolfwint]

Sorry about that. The dog wanted to go online. So again...What do you mean about coming clean? I have no ulterior motives here. What you see is what I am. Should I tell you what I see? Not to hurt feelings. I see a woman of no or little imagination, little to no sense of humor and a large sense of self. Judgmental and intolerant of ideas other than her own. How am I doing?

The idea that God is not in control in the Earth comes from scripture that you, so far, have ignored, choosing instead to attack me. The idea that Eden was not or is not on the Earth is not a new idea, since there is no sign of either the garden or the angel guard.
You want to make me some kind of atheist or blasphemer because you are too afraid to consider anything but the doctrines you have been taught by men who don't even read the bible.

That's the impressions I get.....Girl....I'm a writer, a researcher and a thinker....You should at least try the last one. I know it hurts but you get used to the pain of thinking.

If you read Genesis 1 and 2 there is no doubt that Garden Eden is locatet on our planet earth (Genesis 2, 10ff).
This was before the flood. I suppose after the flood many changes. Only because God gave us noch information how it has gone is no reason for me to doubt that it was on earth. Angels theory is only man made speculation.

 

[wolfwint]

I meant not angels theory! Ich meant any else theory!

 

[wolfwint]

And what do you tell you?

I tell me: what picture this man will have from God if he doubt that God is in controle about that what he had createt.

 

[Angela53510]

Here is a song from long ago. I saw Twila Paris in concert many years ago in the 1980's in a suburb of Vancouver, this is one of the songs she sang - God is in control. (Sorry, the quality is not that good, but the message is the same!)

[video=youtube;-H9JHdsn-EQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H9JHdsn-EQ[/video]

 

[Denadii]

So is this some kind of "absentee landlord" theory? Really??

My suggestion is that you read Job. Here is the perfect example of Satan challenging God about one of his servants, and God, who is totally in control of EVERYTHING in the world, doles out permission piece by piece letting Satan test Job.

"And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord." Job 1:8-12

Here, God gives permission, which Satan does NOT have, to destroy everything but Job himself. (Later, God gives him permission to do more!) Satan cannot move a step beyond what God commands! WHY?? Because God is in total control of everything. And that certainly includes this earth.

What you need to do, is gain an understanding of the sovereignty of God. That means God is the sole ruler, the mover, the shaker, the creator and he sustains and keeps everything, including this earth under his rule and power.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross." Col. 1:15-20

I think it is so sad when people have such a truncated and impoverished view of God. Because if God is not in total control of everything, then not only is he not God, as someone already posted, but we are in big trouble on this earth!

Here is my suggestion to you. Read the Bible over and over, from cover to cover, if you want to witness the sovereignty of God. If you do not find it, then come back and post all those verses which show God in despair, saying "Oops! I didn't realize this was going to happen!" Or "What am I am I going to do now, things are such a mess?" Or, "if I just had a bit more power, or foreknowledge or if I could have known that was going to happen, I could have prevented this calamity!"

But you won't find that anywhere. Instead, you will find God in control of every stage and every single thing that happens. I admit, you have taken the "free will" concept one step further to its logical conclusion. Because if a mere person could thwart the salvic plan of God, by deciding against God, and God is not in control of the heart of even one person, how could he possibly be in control of the whole earth?

But, since he is totally in control of everything, as the Bible proves over and over, and, in fact, the world would fall apart completely without his presence and power, it becomes incumbent upon you to search the Word and discover the real God, not this straw man puppet you have created and failed to prove in any way shape or form!

God is in control!

You said 'So is this some kind of "absentee landlord" theory? Really??'
Really! Its like. God owns the store and He put you in as manager. Is that so hard to grasp..How else do you learn to rule? The Word says that you will Rule with Him...Will you just know how automatically?

You said ..'Here, God gives permission, which Satan does NOT have, to destroy everything but Job himself. (Later, God gives him permission to do more!) Satan cannot move a step beyond what God commands! WHY?? Because God is in total control of everything. And that certainly includes this earth.' God was excercising authority over Satan. Not the world...And you still have not provided scriptures that say that God is in contol in the Earth...You only assume it from what you read of situations.'

God's giving Satan permission to attack Job was a learning for Job....The situation was a result of Jobs own words.....

You said 'I think it is so sad when people have such a truncated and impoverished view of God. Because if God is not in total control of everything, then not only is he not God, as someone already posted, but we are in big trouble on this earth!'
I have to agree...People who go by standard church doctrines instead of Bible doctrine are choking themselves...You have to stop that.

You said...' Here is my suggestion to you. Read the Bible over and over, from cover to cover, if you want to witness the sovereignty of God. If you do not find it, then come back and post all those verses which show God in despair, saying "Oops! I didn't realize this was going to happen!" Or "What am I am I going to do now, things are such a mess?" Or, "if I just had a bit more power, or foreknowledge or if I could have known that was going to happen, I could have prevented this calamity!"'

Listen Angela..YOU are in control of your own area of this world...If you act without seeking His wisdom you would be a fool....Nobody said we should ignore God..We know His will for us...We need to line up our thinking with His, then when something comes up, and you take control, you exercise your authority, and you won't do something stupid to make things worse. We are in control but it's still a reliance on God.

You said...'But you won't find that anywhere. Instead, you will find God in control of every stage and every single thing that happens. I admit, you have taken the "free will" concept one step further to its logical conclusion. Because if a mere person could thwart the salvic plan of God, by deciding against God, and God is not in control of the heart of even one person, how could he possibly be in control of the whole earth?

Not so my friend...You find God, all through the bible training His people. You see God protecting them from harm, providing for them...Just like the good parent He is.. Then you see him putting you in as a manager. A manager screws up in the store, he goes to the boss, who knows things better than the manager. He can and does fix it...Unlike a regular boss though, God fixes things then puts you back to work...He wants you to learn! And believe me....No. believe the Word...You cannot mess up Gods plans! You are not in charge of the whole Earth...Just your area...Isn't that enough?

You said...' But, since he is totally in control of everything, as the Bible proves over and over, and, in fact, the world would fall apart completely without his presence and power, it becomes incumbent upon you to search the Word and discover the real God, not this straw man puppet you have created and failed to prove in any way shape or form!'You have not come up with a single verse that says that God is in control in the Earth...I have given you verses proving that You are in control...Yet you ignore those verses and go on insisting on something that is NOT in the Word...
Why?

 

[Denadii]

Here is a song from long ago. I saw Twila Paris in concert many years ago in the 1980's in a suburb of Vancouver, this is one of the songs she sang - God is in control. (Sorry, the quality is not that good, but the message is the same!)

[video=youtube;-H9JHdsn-EQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H9JHdsn-EQ[/video]

A song is the authority you base your opinion on? Really?

 

[Denadii]

I tell me: what picture this man will have from God if he doubt that God is in controle about that what he had createt.

This man has a picture of Father, Dear Father who loves me...My Father who teaches me, who holds me when I hurt, who corrects me when I make a mistake. Who is wise, and gentle, who has a wondrous sense of humor.........What kind of God do you see?

 

[Denadii]

If, as the churches like to teach, God is in control, then He is failing miserably. Look at some of the things He wants. His Will..
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Matthew 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Psalm 103:1-3 (KJV)

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


Galatians 1:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Thessalonians 5:18
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.







Healing, Deliverance, Prosperity, freedom, Blessing and much more...What do we see most? Sickness, death, poverty, pain and loss. Is God's will being fulfilled? Not really. Not in His people. We get sick and we say."Oh God put this on me to teach me something" But God said that 'By Jesus stripes ye WERE healed." Who is wrong here? God says "I would that you prosper even as your soul prospers" But we are not prosperous...We eke out a living day to day...no different from those of the world. We live in bondage to fear, to sickness, to the boss that we work hard to enrich. but God said "I (Jesus) came to to preach deliverance to the captives" Yet we continue to live in captivity to the world....
Cone on Christians! Either you are a child of God with all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Heaven or you are not. You are coheirs with Jesus
Romans 8:17 (CJB)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.
Joint heirs means that everything Jesus inherits, we inherit...in other words...Everything that Jesus has we also have. That's Gods will...
So if you do not see it in your life,,Then either God is failing in his work for you, or you are failing in your work for Him...

Which is it? If speaking thus makes me a heretic or a blasphemer in your eyes..So be it.

You control whether God gets His way or not

 

[Angela53510]

If, as the churches like to teach, God is in control, then He is failing miserably. Look at some of the things He wants. His Will..
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Matthew 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Psalm 103:1-3 (KJV)

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


Galatians 1:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Thessalonians 5:18
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.







Healing, Deliverance, Prosperity, freedom, Blessing and much more...What do we see most? Sickness, death, poverty, pain and loss. Is God's will being fulfilled? Not really. Not in His people. We get sick and we say."Oh God put this on me to teach me something" But God said that 'By Jesus stripes ye WERE healed." Who is wrong here? God says "I would that you prosper even as your soul prospers" But we are not prosperous...We eke out a living day to day...no different from those of the world. We live in bondage to fear, to sickness, to the boss that we work hard to enrich. but God said "I (Jesus) came to to preach deliverance to the captives" Yet we continue to live in captivity to the world....
Cone on Christians! Either you are a child of God with all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Heaven or you are not. You are coheirs with Jesus
Romans 8:17 (CJB)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.
Joint heirs means that everything Jesus inherits, we inherit...in other words...Everything that Jesus has we also have. That's Gods will...
So if you do not see it in your life,,Then either God is failing in his work for you, or you are failing in your work for Him...

Which is it? If speaking thus makes me a heretic or a blasphemer in your eyes..So be it.

You control whether God gets His way or not

Oh my, you are Word Faith! Didn't see that coming! But not a single one of the verses you have posted here, say that God is not in control. But then, Word Faith does see man as an equal to God. Sad!

As for the song, just for fun! I think I have posted enough solid Scriptures to show you the error of your ways. In fact, some of them don't even come close to proving Word Faith. Of course, if I knew this was a Word Faith debate, I would have taken a different approach!

 

[Denadii]

Oh my, you are Word Faith! Didn't see that coming! But not a single one of the verses you have posted here, say that God is not in control. But then, Word Faith does see man as an equal to God. Sad!

As for the song, just for fun! I think I have posted enough solid Scriptures to show you the error of your ways. In fact, some of them don't even come close to proving Word Faith. Of course, if I knew this was a Word Faith debate, I would have taken a different approach!

Angela These verses show Gods Will..They do not show that He is in control So don't go off half cocked.

This is not Word of Faith but Word of fact. Big difference...Still I can accept that you want out of a discussion where it would necessitate a change of doctrine for you.

 

[preacher4truth]

Wow...yet another "newer" moniker here to tag team preach the false gospel of WoF.

Do people think it so important to teach their error that multiple monikers need to be made in order to do so? Yep. Obviously.

"I need back up. I'll make a few more monikers." LOL!!!!!!

 

[preacher4truth]

If, as the churches like to teach, God is in control, then He is failing miserably. Look at some of the things He wants. His Will..
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Matthew 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Psalm 103:1-3 (KJV)

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


Galatians 1:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Thessalonians 5:18
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.







Healing, Deliverance, Prosperity, freedom, Blessing and much more...What do we see most? Sickness, death, poverty, pain and loss. Is God's will being fulfilled? Not really. Not in His people. We get sick and we say."Oh God put this on me to teach me something" But God said that 'By Jesus stripes ye WERE healed." Who is wrong here? God says "I would that you prosper even as your soul prospers" But we are not prosperous...We eke out a living day to day...no different from those of the world. We live in bondage to fear, to sickness, to the boss that we work hard to enrich. but God said "I (Jesus) came to to preach deliverance to the captives" Yet we continue to live in captivity to the world....
Cone on Christians! Either you are a child of God with all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Heaven or you are not. You are coheirs with Jesus
Romans 8:17 (CJB)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.
Joint heirs means that everything Jesus inherits, we inherit...in other words...Everything that Jesus has we also have. That's Gods will...
So if you do not see it in your life,,Then either God is failing in his work for you, or you are failing in your work for Him...

Which is it? If speaking thus makes me a heretic or a blasphemer in your eyes..So be it.

You control whether God gets His way or not

Wow, your posts look strikingly familiar...not to mention the deep theological error mixed within it. Yes, very similar, very familiar, same errors.

 

[Denadii]

Wow...yet another "newer" moniker here to tag team preach the false gospel of WoF.

Do people think it so important to teach their error that multiple monikers need to be made in order to do so? Yep. Obviously.

"I need back up. I'll make a few more monikers." LOL!!!!!!

Interesting idea...What are you referring to?

 

[MattforJesus]

Why do Christians cop out on their responsibilities with this blat? God is NOT in control in the Earth...If He is...Show me

Of course God is in control,how can He not be,although He gives us temporary choice,until He puts down the wicked,and the choice is gone,and Jesus takes over the world,and rules with the saints,and the world operates how God wanted it to always operate before the fall of man.

It will go back to the time of the garden of Eden,when animals did not fear people,and people did not fear animals,and people,and animals,will be plant eaters,as far as the people that Jesus and the saints rule over,who are in the flesh.

It is only because God gave people a choice that there is things that happen contrary to the operation of God,but God is still in control of the course of the world.

1.God said no nation can operate unless He allows it,and nothing can happen unless God allows it,so God is in control,but He allows some things to happen that is contrary to His operation in the world in certain areas,for there is a purpose for it,or because of the choice of people in general.

2.When kingdoms got too large like Babylon,Greece,or whoever else,and were being physically cruel,and spreading their falsehood that was contrary to God's operation in the world,God allowed the evil spirits to stir up other kingdoms against them,and take them down,and put a stop to their folly.

3.God Himself put 10 plagues upon the Egyptians,and interceded their choice,so He could free the Jews,and bring them out of Egypt,and to show His power in the earth,so the earth would know He is God.

4.God interceded people's choice,and flooded the earth,and got rid of the wicked.

5.God will one day allow the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and then put them down,which the 7 years will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East,and they say Peace and safety.

6.God gave Israel a choice in the Old Testament concerning a blessing,and a cursing,which if they followed God in the truth,then no enemy would be able to fight against her and win,for God would fight for them,but if they did not follow God in the truth,but went after false gods for a certain amount of time,God would allow her enemies to come against her,defeat her,and cast the Jews in to the nations,which is what happened concerning Babylon when they were led away captive for 70 years,and happened when they rejected Christ with the Roman Empire.

But God in the future will bring Israel to the truth.

And many other times that God interceded,and went above the choice of people,to have His purpose on earth,for He could not let things get out of hand,had to keep at bay the wicked from getting too out of hand,and had to thwart when the wicked were spreading their wicked ways too much in false gods,and religion,causing people to stumble by their wicked ways.

God is always in control of the earth,and it will be His way at all times,but He gave people a choice so evil can happen,and problems,because of the bad choices people make,and will let evil go on as long as it does not go too much against His ways,and His purpose,then He has to step in and intercede and go above the choice of people,to keep the world on course.

Like the flood where the whole world was continually evil except Noah,and his family,that was found worthy to escape the flood,God had to intercede and go above the choice of people,for it hindered His plan for the world,for it was too big of a problem for God to ignore,and let go on,for too many people would be lost,and would people of ever started to do right,or would they continue on with nobody ever acknowledging the truth again,so God had to start fresh with Noah,and His family.

King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon learned of the God of Israel,for Daniel interpreted his dream,and the 3 Hebrews survived the fiery furnace when it was heated to 7 times the normal heat,so king Nebuchadnezzar proclaimed the God of Israel as the God of gods,the top God of all the gods,and made a proclamation that if anybody said anything amiss concerning the God of Israel,they would be cut in pieces,and their houses made a dunghill.

The king had another dream,and Daniel interpreted the dream,and said that the king would get arrogant,and give credit to himself concerning why Babylon was flourishing so much,when it was from God,in which at a later date the king got arrogant,and said,is this not great Babylon,that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power,and for the honour of my majesty.

And after that he was driven from before men,and God humbled him to let him know that it is He that rules in the kingdom of men,and when he came to his senses,and acknowledged God,then his majesty was restored to him.

And then the king said,

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

The king acknowledged that God works in the kingdom of men,and gives it to whoever He wants to have the kingdom,and power,and His will is done in the army of heaven,and among the inhabitants on earth,and He does according to what He wants on earth,and nobody can thwart what He wants to do.

God gave us a choice for He wants people to dwell with Him for all eternity that made the choice to love Him,because His kingdom is true love,and He is not evil to condemn people that could not have a choice in the matter of them being right with Him,so evil can happen,and problems on earth,because of the bad choices people make concerning their selfishness,arrogance,and fleshy lusts.

But God will intercede and go above the choices of people in certain circumstances,and no nation,or kingdom,can rule unless He allows it,and He gives the kingdom,and power,to whoever He wants to have it,and He does His will in the army of heaven,and among the inhabitants of the earth.

Jesus said to pray to God,thy will be done,on earth as it is in heaven.

God is in control of all His creation.

 

[wolfwint]

This man has a picture of Father, Dear Father who loves me...My Father who teaches me, who holds me when I hurt, who corrects me when I make a mistake. Who is wise, and gentle, who has a wondrous sense of humor.........What kind of God do you see?

The same picture!

 

[Denadii]

The same picture!

So why would he tell you one thing and me another? Somebody does not want to be responsible..Right?

 

[wolfwint]

If, as the churches like to teach, God is in control, then He is failing miserably. Look at some of the things He wants. His Will..
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Matthew 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Psalm 103:1-3 (KJV)

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


Galatians 1:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Thessalonians 5:18
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.







Healing, Deliverance, Prosperity, freedom, Blessing and much more...What do we see most? Sickness, death, poverty, pain and loss. Is God's will being fulfilled? Not really. Not in His people. We get sick and we say."Oh God put this on me to teach me something" But God said that 'By Jesus stripes ye WERE healed." Who is wrong here? God says "I would that you prosper even as your soul prospers" But we are not prosperous...We eke out a living day to day...no different from those of the world. We live in bondage to fear, to sickness, to the boss that we work hard to enrich. but God said "I (Jesus) came to to preach deliverance to the captives" Yet we continue to live in captivity to the world....
Cone on Christians! Either you are a child of God with all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Heaven or you are not. You are coheirs with Jesus
Romans 8:17 (CJB)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.
Joint heirs means that everything Jesus inherits, we inherit...in other words...Everything that Jesus has we also have. That's Gods will...
So if you do not see it in your life,,Then either God is failing in his work for you, or you are failing in your work for Him...

Which is it? If speaking thus makes me a heretic or a blasphemer in your eyes..So be it.

You control whether God gets His way or not

You are wrong! It is right that God createt something New in us if we belongs to him (2. Cor. 5, 17) But right is also that so long till Jesus nots returns to change our mortal body in an immortal body so long will not revealed what we are. (1. John 3, 2)
So who claimes that we have it already, before our Lord Jesus comes teaches a lie.

 

[Denadii]

You are wrong! It is right that God createt something New in us if we belongs to him (2. Cor. 5, 17) But right is also that so long till Jesus nots returns to change our mortal body in an immortal body so long will not revealed what we are. (1. John 3, 2)
So who claimes that we have it already, before our Lord Jesus comes teaches a lie.

Figure it out Wolfwint..If you have another being living inside of you, part of you, inseparable from you what would you call yourself...Your very DNA is changed since you were born again...Your body has changed..You're a hybrid now..Part man and part God... But that does not change the fact that when you die, or when you are caught up you will get a body like Jesus got when he went to heaven after he rose from the dead.
YOu will either believe all that is written in the bible or you believe none of it.

 

[MattforJesus]

That is true we control whether God gets control in our life,or not,concerning how we are in the truth,or not in the truth concerning God.

The Bible states do not quench the Spirit,and Israel limited the Holy One of Israel,so people's choices can cause God to not operate like He would like to.

Healings cannot happen,wisdom cannot be given,salvation can be hindered,prayers not answered,because of how people respond to reality,and Jesus said,let it be done according to your faith,which some lack faith,hypocrisy hinders,and sin hinders.

But that is on an individual level,but on the grand scale of the nations operating,no nation can rule unless God allows it,and God gives the kingdom to who He wants,and rules in the kingdom of men.

Dan 4:28 All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
Dan 4:29 At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.
Dan 4:30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
Dan 4:31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
Dan 4:32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

On an individual level when it comes to the outcome of our life,we have a choice concerning that whether saved or not,whether sin or not,whether healed or not,whether understanding the Bible or not,for it is up to us concerning the course of our life on an individual level.

But according to the course of the world,and the nations,and kingdoms,that rule,God rules among them to keep the world on course,and not to hinder His operation on earth,and will allow evil to a certain point among the nations,and kingdoms,but if too far off course will do something about it.

But while we have a choice to determine the outcome of our life,that is only extended to this earth,for when a person departs this earth they do not have a deciding factor anymore,as all those who are lost would love to be able to have that deciding factor at that time,for they would detract their folly on earth,and at the beast kingdom when they take the mark of the beast,then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,so those people on this earth cannot decide the outcome of their life anymore.