When healing doesn't happen

[toinena]

You live alone? I thought you said in another post that you have a foster daughter.

Anyways, God is our Father, not our genie. Sometimes it's not His Will for someone to be healed. He purposely left Paul sick, and that does not mean he is evil.

I live alone when she is not here, and that is every third week.

 

[toinena]

I live alone when she is not here, and that is every third week.

To make it even clearer. She is here Friday to Sunday every third week.

 

[wolfwint]

That's what satan told Adam and Eve... and apparently you as well!




That's like saying look at all the unbelievers world wide... many don't get saved, so this must mean salvation is not for us today.

That's complete and total bull malarkey! Just cause some folks don't get healed does mean healing is not for use today anymore than some folks not getting saved doesn't mean salvation is not for us today.

But hey, if you wanna believe satan's narrative... you can and obviously you have which proves Jesus knew what He was talking about in Mark 4:13-20

Very strong tobaco to compare me with Satan!
So what then all the sick and handycapted believers in your eyes?
I tell you God is loving them!

 

[wolfwint]

To make it even clearer. She is here Friday to Sunday every third week.

Hi Toinea how are you? Hope you can find some help in this controversal posts!

 

[Rockrz]

Very strong tobaco to compare me with satan!

I didn't say you were like satan... I'm saying you are listening to him instead of God's Word which is your right to do if that's how you like to roll.

So what then all the sick and handycapted believers in your eyes?
I tell you God is loving them!

What are they??? Apparently still sick and handicapped

Yes, God loves everyone.

 

[Denadii]

Excuse me, I did not read what you wrote before. I just answered to your post (no 47)
I dont wont be sarcastic, but what do you understand among physical healing? I work as nurse in hospital and see many sick persons. In the scripture I understand that when Jesus healed them they were free from their sickness! If I understand you rigth you meant we are healed (free from sickness), but nobody can see it. You say to a cancer patient you are healed, but he dies because of his cancer! Sorry thats crazy! If you say to soembody you are healed then this Person and others too will realize it, see it if it is true!
What help it is for somebody to get said your are healed, but nothing happend?
I would say to somebody who says to me you are healed and Jesus paid for that you are healed now and nothing happend. You are a liar ore Jesus has no power! You understand what i want to say?

Thats the different to that what Jesus did! When Jesus said to somebody be healed he realy was physically healed!

Yes, I was not their to proof that the healed people which died later died because of another sickness ore because of an old age.
But we can proof it today!
If you see into the world you will see also many non believers which are not sick and have a long life. Are they special blessed from God? I would say this is life! And it is not the main reason for christians to live a healthy good Life! Christians serve with their Life to God and this includet all the weaknesses and sicknesses which we have.

BTW do you reallyshure that 1. Peter 2,24 speaks from physically healing? In this verse it is speaking from our sins and not our sicknesses!

Hey Wolfwint I'll discuss this with you later today. I'm discussing the war with another person right now. This cannot wait.

 

[toinena]

I just want to encourage you the God loves you and he is going to use you, and perhaps not being healed is part of that!

I suffer from severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. It has been under control more or less, again for a few months because of very strong chemo drugs. Three of them! But the 2 year med failure left me with a lot more deformities, plus I was not able to keep up exercising vigorously, so I have other issues as a result of the muscles not being strong enough to support the joints.

Last night the pain was so bad, I began to long for death. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my life. God has blessed me with a wonderful husband, children and grandchildren, a beautiful home and garden, a caring church, and so much to live for. But in the night, sometimes, the pain is so excruciating, I just want it to stop. And God understands, although he doesn't stop it. I know he has his reasons, but he has not shared them with me.

My testimony of not being healed, which I have shared here many times, is how this evil, destructive Word Faith heresy is a lie from the pit of hell! When I first got sick, 20 years ago, before I even had a diagnosis, I was prayed for by several Word Faith friends who "claimed" healing for me, when I was not healed, they judged and condemned me for my lack of faith. At least I had the wisdom to know that a Christian cannot be possessed by demons.

The lack of healing, the pain and condemnation drove me into a terrible depression. I turned away from God. I stopped going to church, and reading my Bible, which I had read daily for 17 years. I turned my face to the wall, like Hezekiah. But God was faithful. He never left me, and started urging me to read 5 Psalms daily. At first, I was so angry at God, I would not do it. But the urging was so strong, I finally picked up a Bible, and started reading!

What a joy to find real people in those pages. People who were hurting, but praised God anyway. People who cried out to God but did not demand or claim healing. God gave me so many verses, including some on depression, and that God is utterly in control. Then God called me to seminary, where I learned about hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation, and how wrong my Word Faith friends were in their petty, shallow and wrong interpretation of the Bible.

For instance, healing is not in the atonement. Isa. 53 has been wrongly pulled out of context! (I did a thread on this a while back!) But God also comforted me, and helped me begin real growth in character.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

As for my Word Faith friends who prayed for me, then, judged and condemned me, one got cancer, claimed healing, refused meds and died, the other got severe prostate problems, ended up getting emergency surgery when a non Word Faith friend fiubd him on the floor dying in pain, and took him to the hospital. He is alive and doing well at age 87, and has regular check ups with his doctor!

I hate people who put God in a box. Either they say God must heal, or he does not heal. Those are extremes! I think God sometimes heals when it is for his glory. And sometimes he does not heal for his glory! When I was in seminary, there was a man who graduated a few years ahead of me. He got ALS. Everyone prayed for him. But he was not healed! But, he used his time in prayer and intercession, and to lead his caregivers to the Lord. He is with the Lord now, and there is a scholarship in his name, at the seminary. God was gloried!

THANK YOU! This was a beautiful testimony. God bless you.

As for those who preach lack of faith. I wonder. What is faith without love? It sounds like Job's friends telling and blaming Job. And. Yes. I am a sinner. I have done stupid things. I might even have questioned God. I need the love and mercy of God every single day. And with all this turmoil I seem to be in at the moment, the only thing I have is faith. And my faith is tested every day. And every day, every woken hour I turn to Christ. So who is lacking faith? Perhaps I do lack faith. But I put my faith in Christ first, serving him secondly and somewhere down the list healing. I live for Christ. He is as real to me as the next door neighbor. And I surely speak with God more. And I am blessed I can grow in faith. Because I know I am not perfect, and need to work on my self. Every single day. And I have a very patient tutor in Christ.

I know God can heal. I know I will be healed. When? It might be today or it might not be before we all receive our glorified bodies. But does that make my faith smaller? I would say no. Does that make my love for Christ or my neighbor smaller? No. Does it make me humble, knowing I need help and can't manage everything by my self? Definitely. So. What else can I do? I keep following Christ. Trying to serve him with love. And keep on rolling (until I can walk again).

 

[toinena]

Hi Toinea how are you? Hope you can find some help in this controversal posts!

Hi. Sehr gut, vielen Dank. Ein bisschen müde, vielleicht.

My German is nicht gut, so i rather type in English. I am fine. I choose to not take some of the harsh words to my heart. And keep on praying.

 

[wolfwint]

Hi. Sehr gut, vielen Dank. Ein bisschen müde, vielleicht.

My German is nicht gut, so i rather type in English. I am fine. I choose to not take some of the harsh words to my heart. And keep on praying.

Fine, I am praying with you. From where is your good german?

 

[toinena]

Fine, I am praying with you. From where is your good german?

Ich habe etwas Deutsch im Schule gelernt. And that is almost thirty years ago. I understand written German more than spoken, understand more spoken German than I speak, and I speak more than I write.... Kein Schnaps für Tamara! (Another useful sentence from school ;-) )