Is Mary a intercessor?

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They use all kinds of passages to build up Mary.
They add to it.
The catechism is more important than the Bible.
Church Fathers rule over the Bible.
And rumor has it they have billions of dollars worth of relics and treasures hidden down in the catacombs, in the parts not open to the public.
You do understand hat their catechism is simply a book that teaches their demonic doctrines? sign this: XRomanist
 

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You do understand hat their catechism is simply a book that teaches their demonic doctrines? sign this: XRomanist
I understand quite a bit, I'm a former roman catholic with a family full of current roman catholics.
I have an up to date catechism purposely so I can quote catholic beliefs directly from their own book.
 
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Can a catholic priest really go through life not knowing the truth?
I often wonder if they sell out to keep their job.
OK How about their priests getting drunk on a regular basis and having affairs with women who come to confess, and homosexual affairs with each other? They can and do go through life with this too. They simply don't talk about it.


If you want to read a good book Read "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by Chiniquy. You can find it in PDF online for free. It was written by a Romanist priest. Written in the old style it can be a bit dry and dusty but it's still very informative.
 
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They use all kinds of passages to build up Mary.
They add to it.
The catechism is more important than the Bible.
Church Fathers rule over the Bible.
And rumor has it they have billions of dollars worth of relics and treasures hidden down in the catacombs, in the parts not open to the public.
Yes indeed to make a bad theory seem of truth, these church fathers, popes etc., need a ton of stuff to prove it and still mounts to nothing. can't remember where but when Jesus was arrested many of folks spoke against him even their words where rubbish.

No doubt I watched a documentary about some of that, in the doc. It was the first time a film crew went under the Vatican in their storage area per say, it has so much stuff down there it was shocking to see rows and rows of books, old text relics etc. the place was huge, tons and tons of stuff. who knows what else they are hiding under there for all these years.
 
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1 TIMOTHY 2:1 I exhort therefore, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and givings of thanks, be made for all men:
1 TIMOTHY 2:2 for kings and all who are in high places; that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and reverence.
Prayers are from the living to God in Heaven.

Prayers are not needed from those in Heaven; they talk to Him.

Only God can hear from Heaven.

Contacting the spirits of the dead ( even if they are in Heaven ) is considered an abomination to the Lord. Pray to the Lord; not Mary or any of the departed saints. Jesus is the only One that can answers prayers so why pray to any other?

Matthew 28:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 14:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.[SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
 
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hmmmmmmmm be more respectful i dont think Mary was "just a sinner like all people"..... look what scriptures say to Elizabeth for example in luke 1:6 i think its the same with Mary
We are being respectful to Jesus Christ and the truth in His words. Paul had written as led by the Spirit...

Romans 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Mary had declared her need for the Saviour too.

Luke 1:[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, [SUP]47 [/SUP]And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

[SUP]48 [/SUP]For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

[SUP]49 [/SUP]For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

[SUP]50 [/SUP]And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

[SUP]51 [/SUP]He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

[SUP]53 [/SUP]He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

[SUP]54 [/SUP]He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
[SUP]55 [/SUP]As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

John the Baptist as the prophesied voice in the wilderness, needed Jesus Christ as His Saviour too.

John 3:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease.

That is why believers should defer from honoring Mary because that is not how the Father wants us to honor Him by.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

That is the judgment over every believer and that is how they honor the Father by. When they stop honoring the Son, then they are no longer honoring the Father. Believers cannot honor the Father by any other way; not even by honoring the Holy Spirit BECAUSE the Holy Spirit is leading us to honor the Son by testifying of Him in seeking His glory and by Him the glory of God the Father.

So pray abut this; you being the bride and the Bridegroom is coming soon; Whom do you think your focus should be on?
 

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OK How about their priests getting drunk on a regular basis and having affairs with women who come to confess, and homosexual affairs with each other? They can and do go through life with this too. They simply don't talk about it.


If you want to read a good book Read "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by Chiniquy. You can find it in PDF online for free. It was written by a Romanist priest. Written in the old style it can be a bit dry and dusty but it's still very informative.
I've read it thank you
 

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Seriously, this is a question that y'all SHOULD know already..

IF you're reading your bibles, that is. ;)
 

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the last recorded words of mary was "do as he says" referring to jesus......if only they read further.
 

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Jeremiah 7:18: "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger"

Jeremiah 44:15-19: "Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine. The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”


(Catholic Catechism)

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509


(Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on proclaiming the Queenship Of Mary)

She is called by St. John Damascene: "Queen, ruler, and lady,"[23] and also "the Queen of every creature."[24] Another ancient writer of the Eastern Church calls her "favored Queen," "the perpetual Queen beside the King, her son," whose "snow-white brow is crowned with a golden diadem."[25]

"Near the cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ there stood, sorrowful, the Blessed Mary, Queen of Heaven and Queen of the World."[46] Hence, as the devout disciple of St. Anselm (Eadmer, ed.) wrote in the Middle Ages: "just as . . . God, by making all through His power, is Father and Lord of all, so the blessed Mary, by repairing all through her merits, is Mother and Queen of all; for God is the Lord of all things, because by His command He establishes each of them in its own nature, and Mary is the Queen of all things, because she restores each to its original dignity through the grace which she merited.[47]

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When reading the New Testament as regarding Mary, we find a pure and humble servant of the Most High God, not the mother of God Who has no beginning and no end.

Being the mother of God, impossible, would make her superior to Him. Now, reading about Mary in the Word we find that most of the time she did not have a clue as to what her beloved Son was up to. She, being probably the most blessed of all women (that is how I take Elizabeth's words) was so wonderful that when she did not understand what her Son was saying or doing, she simply kept it in her heart for later understanding, if ever. She is also a wonderful example for us al in these matters.

She, however, is not the Example, that would be her son as the son of Adam and the Son of God..

To say she is the mother of any god or an intercessor of any kind is pagan to begin with, insulting to Mary who is a wonderful example of humility, and blasphemous to any and all who know Jesus Christ.

Stop insulting Mary with blasphemous or if you prefer pagan claims as her attributes. Read teh Word and learn the truth. Otherwise stick to the teachigs and traditions of man as commandment from God...

The truth is always there for you and all other. When yo do not quite get it, do as Mary did, put it in your heart and wait.

God bless all in Jesus christ..
 

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why is she used as the inter seed aka intercessor in some Relegions, what bible verses or concepts/theories etc. that support this notion/practice of this in scripture. Does anybody know where in the bible this is being compared too?
no she is not, she is not Omni present, how she hear and remember hundreds of millions people all the world in the same time

the quality only owned by God, believing Mary has the same quality as God, mean blasphemy
 
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Jeremiah 7:18: "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger"

Jeremiah 44:15-19: "Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine. The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”


(Catholic Catechism)

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509


(Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on proclaiming the Queenship Of Mary)

She is called by St. John Damascene: "Queen, ruler, and lady,"[23] and also "the Queen of every creature."[24] Another ancient writer of the Eastern Church calls her "favored Queen," "the perpetual Queen beside the King, her son," whose "snow-white brow is crowned with a golden diadem."[25]

"Near the cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ there stood, sorrowful, the Blessed Mary, Queen of Heaven and Queen of the World."[46] Hence, as the devout disciple of St. Anselm (Eadmer, ed.) wrote in the Middle Ages: "just as . . . God, by making all through His power, is Father and Lord of all, so the blessed Mary, by repairing all through her merits, is Mother and Queen of all; for God is the Lord of all things, because by His command He establishes each of them in its own nature, and Mary is the Queen of all things, because she restores each to its original dignity through the grace which she merited.[47]

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Yea quite the bad doctrine,

wow and that's how the Catholic do it huh,

taking lady wisdom out of context.
 

Jackson123

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OK How about their priests getting drunk on a regular basis and having affairs with women who come to confess, and homosexual affairs with each other? They can and do go through life with this too. They simply don't talk about it.


If you want to read a good book Read "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by Chiniquy. You can find it in PDF online for free. It was written by a Romanist priest. Written in the old style it can be a bit dry and dusty but it's still very informative.
sex party happen in her headquarters

A teenage girl was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties by a gang involving Vatican police and foreign diplomats 30 years ago, says the Catholic Church's leading exorcist priest, who damned Harry Potter as the “work of the Devil”.


https://www.rt.com/news/girl-vatican-sex-priest-975/
 
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sex party happen in her headquarters

A teenage girl was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties by a gang involving Vatican police and foreign diplomats 30 years ago, says the Catholic Church's leading exorcist priest, who damned Harry Potter as the “work of the Devil”.


https://www.rt.com/news/girl-vatican-sex-priest-975/
Catholic hall of shame, surely there are many of these Accounts but no doubt the higher authorities of that church go to great lengths to conseal it.
 
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Jeremiah 7:18: "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger"

Jeremiah 44:15-19: "Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine. The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”


(Catholic Catechism)

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509


(Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on proclaiming the Queenship Of Mary)

She is called by St. John Damascene: "Queen, ruler, and lady,"[23] and also "the Queen of every creature."[24] Another ancient writer of the Eastern Church calls her "favored Queen," "the perpetual Queen beside the King, her son," whose "snow-white brow is crowned with a golden diadem."[25]

"Near the cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ there stood, sorrowful, the Blessed Mary, Queen of Heaven and Queen of the World."[46] Hence, as the devout disciple of St. Anselm (Eadmer, ed.) wrote in the Middle Ages: "just as . . . God, by making all through His power, is Father and Lord of all, so the blessed Mary, by repairing all through her merits, is Mother and Queen of all; for God is the Lord of all things, because by His command He establishes each of them in its own nature, and Mary is the Queen of all things, because she restores each to its original dignity through the grace which she merited.[47]

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You shared this as an example of what they teach Right? I mean, you don't really believe this junk do you?