The devil's greatest lie to the body of Christ!

[breno785au]

There is no SIN you are not aware of doing or helpless against.

WE SIN because we like to and want to, not because we are helpless over it....

You seem to think the way is about being powerless and helpless over SIN until the last day...the Bible does not teach this, it does not mean we will ever be prefect or sinless because we wont be...

You should take your own advice and study the word, if he has not had another drink or gotten drunk in 2 months, he is sinless on that entanglement and the word would agree with him and not so sinless on other things that entangle him.

The same is true for you. Jesus did not pay it all for you to walk around today and have zero victory...he overcame so maybe you should start to spiritually mature a little bit and overcome on a few things yourself.

I believe there is sin that you could not be aware of. Wrong thinking, attitudes, thought patterns, some of these things most of, if not all, of us have something not quite right and when Holy Spirit sheds light on something that's not quite right then we can deal with it if we remain humble to accept His correction.
In my walk I experienced this many times, didn't realise I had a not quite right attitude about something unconsciously thinking I was right in the way I behaved, wrong thought patterns that required renewing...didnt realise until God pointed it out. His Word is a lamp to our feet.

 

[Meggido]

I believe there is sin that you could not be aware of. Wrong thinking, attitudes, thought patterns, some of these things most of, if not all, of us have something not quite right and when Holy Spirit sheds light on something that's not quite right then we can deal with it if we remain humble to accept His correction.
In my walk I experienced this many times, didn't realise I had a not quite right attitude about something unconsciously thinking I was right in the way I behaved, wrong thought patterns that required renewing...didnt realise until God pointed it out. His Word is a lamp to our feet.

OK, I can see this and see where you are going and it will sound arrogant but, does not the Bible tell us and instruct what is wrong thinking, attitudes, thought patterns?

Genesis 4.5-7 shows us that we are really are aware of the time we have wrong thinking, attitudes, thought patterns.


[SUP]5 [/SUP]but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

SIN is a choice and always a choice.

Gen 4.8 shows us this

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.

God told Cain to change his thinking, attitudes, thought patterns did he not?

Romans 1 says we are without excuse for not knowing God and not doing good.

The idea there are sins we do not know about is a lie from the enemy to keep people in bondage.

 

[breno785au]

I see what you are saying and you're correct but I'm talking from experience too and it's not an excuse for sin. It's a matter of that we don't have everything all together perfectly. That's a part of the dynamic of walking with God is that He also teaches us the right way to go.

 

[Meggido]

I see what you are saying and you're correct but I'm talking from experience too and it's not an excuse for sin. It's a matter of that we don't have everything all together perfectly. That's a part of the dynamic of walking with God is that He also teaches us the right way to go.

gotcha and totally agree

 

[breno785au]

gotcha and totally agree

I'm glad we were able to discuss two points of view civally.. Thank you

 

[Magenta]

Kind of a strange introductory post. Welcome to CC.

I doubt it is their first rodeo, so to speak... probably sinning
just being here, knowingly breaking the rules. Oh, the irony!

 

[dcontroversal]

SIN is missing the mark and plainly defined as willfully & intentionally doing something God told you not to do because it is SIN to you and Him.

Romans 14 is all about this, so is Genesis 3, 4.6 and James 1.13-16.

SIN is choice and never , ever is an action we cannot help ourselves. you may disagree and that is fine.

The Sin issue was taken care of over 2,000 years ago, yet many are still not convinced it was. I know of no sin that would cause one to "lose" or "keep" their salvation as I do not believe one can "lose" their salvation or "keep" it

I hear ya....I made the comment because someone above referenced a few particular sins that causes one to lose salvation.......I believe we can suppress sin, over come particular sins, but we will not be sinless until we die or get a glorified body.......

 

[Meggido]

I'm glad we were able to discuss two points of view civally.. Thank you

Goes both ways mate, thank you as well.

 

[Meggido]

I hear ya....I made the comment because someone above referenced a few particular sins that causes one to lose salvation.......I believe we can suppress sin, over come particular sins, but we will not be sinless until we die or get a glorified body.......

DC,
This is totally Bible and totally correct! This is my belief as well.

 

[MattforJesus]

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.These people did not want to depart from inquity,but they thought they were alright with God despite holding unto sin.

 

[stonesoffire]

The greatest lie to the body of Christ:

Hath God said..

 

[followjesus]

Here is the NASTIEST & MOST DEVASTATING LIE the devil has ever attacked people with:

"You're always going to sin UNTIL YOU DIE, that's how you were born and that's just how things are."
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...WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!...

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY JESUS SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

All of these "Christians" that believe they will always fulfill the sinful deeds of the flesh, even AFTER they have been "CLEANSED OF ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS" (1John 1:9) have believed in VAIN! Saying you can't cease from sin an evil LIE straight from Satan and hell gains souls every minute because of it!!!
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If you believe that and quote verses like Romans 7:24 to justify the iniquity of your flesh then you must have missed what Paul clarifies in the beginning of that chapter:

"For WHEN we WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, DID work in our members to bring forth fruit to death." -Romans 7:5

"WHEN WE WERE IN THE FLESH" don't you see? He wasn't in the flesh anymore! In verses like 24, he was clearly describing what life was like BEFORE he was IN the Spirit of Christ Jesus. That's why he wrote the beginning of the next chapter by saying:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but AFTER THE SPIRIT." -Romans 8:1

WHOSOEVER IS TRULY IN CHRIST IS NOT IN THE FLESH AND DOES NOT SIN!

"So then THEY that are IN THE FLESH cannot please God.
But YOU are NOT IN THE FLESH, but IN THE SPIRIT, IF SO BE that the Spirit of God dwell in you." -Romans 8:8-9

Everybody MUST mortify (PUT TO DEATH) the deeds of your body, if you live AFTER THE FLESH YOU SHALL DIE. Only those who are LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD! (Romans 8:13-14)

I pray to God people see this! If you mind the things of the flesh YOU ARE NOT BORN OF THE SPIRIT. If you are LED by the Spirit of God, YOU WILL NOT COMMIT SIN! Simple as that! IF you're in Christ you are a new creature that is now born of God! That's why 1 John 3:9& 5:18 says that whosoever IS born of God DOES NOT AND CAN NOT SIN. Plain and simple.
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"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." -Galatians 5:16

"IF you be LED by the Spirit, YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW." -Galatians 5:18

"And they that ARE Christ's HAVE CRUCIFIED THE FLESH with its passions and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." -Galatians 5:24-25

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Do you really think you can be LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHILE SINNING? Do you think you are "saved from your sins" WHILE YOU'RE LIVING IN SIN?! If so, you have believed in vain, and 1 John 3:8 says you are of the devil!!

AWAKE to righteousness, and SIN NOT!! For some don't have the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame!! (1 Corinthians 15:34)

Repent and believe!!
"PUT ON therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, HOLY and BELOVED, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above ALL these things PUT ON CHARITY, which is the BOND OF PERFECTNESS.
And let the PEACE of God RULE IN YOUR HEARTS, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful." -Colossians 3:12-15

it certainly is one of the most devastating Lies and the worst of it is it comes to Christians, through other christians. when a mind is filled with the wrong things it leads to corruption and bondage. the whole point of Jesus coming was to free us from sin and death. its a terrible doctrine that actually preaches against repentance and righteousness making those things seem optional, or of least importance, or changing them into a meaningless phrase where " you dont need to change anything" or " thats salvation by works"

some actually teach that if you recognize your own sin, you are only going to condemn yourself, or if you feel guilty for your sins, then you are hearing the voice of the enemy. things like the " sin consciousness teachings out there" where even if you know you have sinned, just proclaim "im the righteousness of God " or even if you sin, you havent really sinned because your in the flesh or you cant possibly sin if you say i believe" you are already saved and can never be held accountable for what you are doing today or tomorrow.....


over the last 20 years things have exploded it seems as if shuches rarey teach from the Bible but rather pluck a verse out and explain it for 45 minutes something like " romans 8:1 "there is no condemnation in Christ" then expl;ain how this means nothing you can ever do will be held against you now......most popular method today is to omit all context find a verse that sounds positive and preach a whole message about that verse that says everything opposite the actual context of the verse.

of course it was always foretold.

2 timothy 4:3-4 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."


Good post sister need more like it in this forum. God bless

 

[wolfwint]

Here is the NASTIEST & MOST DEVASTATING LIE the devil has ever attacked people with:

"You're always going to sin UNTIL YOU DIE, that's how you were born and that's just how things are."
-------------------------------------------------------
...WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!...

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY JESUS SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

All of these "Christians" that believe they will always fulfill the sinful deeds of the flesh, even AFTER they have been "CLEANSED OF ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS" (1John 1:9) have believed in VAIN! Saying you can't cease from sin an evil LIE straight from Satan and hell gains souls every minute because of it!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
If you believe that and quote verses like Romans 7:24 to justify the iniquity of your flesh then you must have missed what Paul clarifies in the beginning of that chapter:

"For WHEN we WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, DID work in our members to bring forth fruit to death." -Romans 7:5

"WHEN WE WERE IN THE FLESH" don't you see? He wasn't in the flesh anymore! In verses like 24, he was clearly describing what life was like BEFORE he was IN the Spirit of Christ Jesus. That's why he wrote the beginning of the next chapter by saying:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but AFTER THE SPIRIT." -Romans 8:1

WHOSOEVER IS TRULY IN CHRIST IS NOT IN THE FLESH AND DOES NOT SIN!

"So then THEY that are IN THE FLESH cannot please God.
But YOU are NOT IN THE FLESH, but IN THE SPIRIT, IF SO BE that the Spirit of God dwell in you." -Romans 8:8-9

Everybody MUST mortify (PUT TO DEATH) the deeds of your body, if you live AFTER THE FLESH YOU SHALL DIE. Only those who are LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD! (Romans 8:13-14)

I pray to God people see this! If you mind the things of the flesh YOU ARE NOT BORN OF THE SPIRIT. If you are LED by the Spirit of God, YOU WILL NOT COMMIT SIN! Simple as that! IF you're in Christ you are a new creature that is now born of God! That's why 1 John 3:9& 5:18 says that whosoever IS born of God DOES NOT AND CAN NOT SIN. Plain and simple.
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"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." -Galatians 5:16

"IF you be LED by the Spirit, YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW." -Galatians 5:18

"And they that ARE Christ's HAVE CRUCIFIED THE FLESH with its passions and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." -Galatians 5:24-25

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Do you really think you can be LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHILE SINNING? Do you think you are "saved from your sins" WHILE YOU'RE LIVING IN SIN?! If so, you have believed in vain, and 1 John 3:8 says you are of the devil!!

AWAKE to righteousness, and SIN NOT!! For some don't have the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame!! (1 Corinthians 15:34)

Repent and believe!!
"PUT ON therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, HOLY and BELOVED, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above ALL these things PUT ON CHARITY, which is the BOND OF PERFECTNESS.
And let the PEACE of God RULE IN YOUR HEARTS, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful." -Colossians 3:12-15

Show me only one single Christian, who lives sinless! Do you are living without doing any sin? Praise the Lord who is full of grace with us!

 

[wolfwint]

PS: I agree with you, that we can avoid sin, if we lieves close with the Lord!

 

[QuickenedByHim]

GEN. 3:4.
the biggest lie was in the Garden, when satan told Eve,
'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

I hear ya....I made the comment because someone above referenced a few particular sins that causes one to lose salvation.......I believe we can suppress sin, over come particular sins, but we will not be sinless until we die or get a glorified body.......

So do you say we will always walk in darkness, always having sin in this world?

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" -1 John 1:6

"I am the light of the world; he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." - John 8:12

 

[QuickenedByHim]

GEN. 3:4.
the biggest lie was in the Garden, when satan told Eve,
'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

I hear ya....I made the comment because someone above referenced a few particular sins that causes one to lose salvation.......I believe we can suppress sin, over come particular sins, but we will not be sinless until we die or get a glorified body.......

So do you say we will always walk in darkness, always having sin in this world?

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" -1 John 1:6

"I am the light of the world; he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." - John 8:12

 

[dcontroversal]

So do you say we will always walk in darkness, always having sin in this world?

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" -1 John 1:6

"I am the light of the world; he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." - John 8:12

If we say we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.....wake up.......

 

[QuickenedByHim]

GEN. 3:4.
the biggest lie was in the Garden, when satan told Eve,
'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The greatest lie satan ever told

God will not keep his promise, it is up to you, Your salvation is not secure. You better work hard.

His second greatest lie.

After you work hard, You still fail.. So God still will not keep his promise.

"Remember therefore from where you are fallen, and repent, and DO the first WORKS; or else I will come to you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of it's place, EXCEPT YOU REPENT." -Revelation 2:5

"I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would you were cold or hot.So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." -Revelation 13:15-16

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE YOU ALSO SHALL BE CUT OFF. -Romans 11:22

 

[QuickenedByHim]

GEN. 3:4.
the biggest lie was in the Garden, when satan told Eve,
'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

If we say we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.....wake up.......

You need to read that verse in context. If you say that you have no sin without Christ having cleansed you then you are obviously deceived and without the truth. But when you confess, Jesus cleanses you of all unrighteousness. What was once dirty is now cleaned. And Jesus doesn't "miss any spots" when He does His cleansing.

 

[graceNpeace]

So do you say we will always walk in darkness, always having sin in this world?

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" -1 John 1:6

"I am the light of the world; he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." - John 8:12

Shame on you!
Another one verse wonder...

Try putting this in context for a start:

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10

vs 8-10 provides the full context - read it and understand!

If you are claiming sinlessness then I am afraid you are the one walking in darkness!

In fact, the reality that we sin DOES NOT EQUAL walking in darkness!
If it did then vs 5-10 are hopelessly contradictory.

verse 7 is the hub around which the whole text revolves:

Walking in darkness allows one to HIDE, firstly from our own sin, and secondly from God (not really possible, but some try...), however walking in the light IS NOT A METAPHOR FOR SINLESSNESS, but rather exposing ourselves to God, warts and all!
Stand in the light, let it expose you for what you are, let the light expose your sin - confess it as required - and move on in God.

Walking in darkness is not about sin per se, it is all about hiding from God, avoiding reality!
Walking in the light is all about exposing oneself to God, letting Him actually see you for what you are (in fact God already knows, but we need to take that step of faith) and letting Him lovingly correct and mature you!

DENYING SIN AND SINFULNESS PLACES ONE AS FIRMLY WALKING IN DARKNESS...