For Non Tongue Speakers Only

[Enow]

For everyone reading this thread; the purpose is to share videos and discuss or criticize the video using scripture which was about tongues without interpretation.

It is not about endorsing the guy in the video as one that I agree with in all of his videos.

So please do not take CS1 rule of thumb about this guys as dismissing everything because he was wrong about him speaking against the Trinity.

He does teach the keeping of the sabbath day but that does not always mean SDA and CS1 refuse to prove that he is. And since CS1 was wrong about the guy in the video as speaking against the Trinity, I would like to direct the focus back to reproving the issue of tongues as discussed in the video in the OP and the other post showing another video by the scripture and criticize it or add to the edification if any one was so led.

But thanks to all of these interruptions by going off topic with no addressing the videos itself, it does seem unlikely .... oh well. Jesus is still Lord.

 

[CS1]

Yeah.... something is wrong here, brother. I think you made an assumption, because he is not speaking against the Trinity, but for it. He says so around 11 minutes in the video here after going through a lot to prove the Holy Spirit is God and a distinct Person of the Trinity.

[video=youtube;HceaWkAtWY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HceaWkAtWY0[/video]

And if anything, this guys is endorsing how to get the Holy Spirit as if believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at salvation...and so you have to ask for the Holy Spirit at 11:20 into the video...... yet he speaks against tongues? Seems like that is how people have been getting tongues by asking for the Holy Spirit as if they had not received Him automatically by faith in Jesus Christ whereas I believe you get Him at your salvation automatically.

I have yet to watch the rest of the video, but you were wrong about him speaking against the Trinity. You did not do your homework.

again this is not the video I saw and you have not answered the questions I have asked. I agree I did not do my home work fully I have no issue in saying that .

 

[Enow]

again this is not the video I saw and you have not answered the questions I have asked. I agree I did not do my home work fully I have no issue in saying that .

Okay.

As for using him as a source? Was he wrong about the Trinity? No. Does that mean everything he says is right? No.

We are to prove everything by Him & His words in the KJV. Since we do that for every poster here, then why not apply the same thing to every video for whatever the purpose of the discussion is about?

 

[CS1]

Yeah.... something is wrong here, brother. I think you made an assumption, because he is not speaking against the Trinity, but for it. He says so around 11 minutes in the video here after going through a lot to prove the Holy Spirit is God and a distinct Person of the Trinity.

[video=youtube;HceaWkAtWY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HceaWkAtWY0[/video]

And if anything, this guys is endorsing how to get the Holy Spirit as if believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at salvation...and so you have to ask for the Holy Spirit at 11:20 into the video...... yet he speaks against tongues? Seems like that is how people have been getting tongues by asking for the Holy Spirit as if they had not received Him automatically by faith in Jesus Christ whereas I believe you get Him at your salvation automatically.

I have yet to watch the rest of the video, but you were wrong about him speaking against the Trinity. You did not do your homework.

but in my homework :

he does say those who worship on Sunday although subtly say it is pagan found on video ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxBf7eOkfRI bowing to Babylon
also he states Seventh day Adventist is what he is a member of in this video and " They are the end time church . he was also in jail but does not tell why?

That is false. even if you get saved you have to be in the SDA to be fully saved. the issues he has with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit you have posted in your thread . those too are incorrect.

although I concede of the trinity and admit the video here does support the trinity . greg is a false teacher. Why because you have to be SDA to be saved and worship on Saturday .

also he is very subtle in his teaching of things and carful not to expose his true feelings ,

 

[CS1]

Okay.

As for using him as a source? Was he wrong about the Trinity? No. Does that mean everything he says is right? No.

We are to prove everything by Him & His words in the KJV. Since we do that for every poster here, then why not apply the same thing to every video for whatever the purpose of the discussion is about?

it is funny you are so forgiving to Bible Flock box who has serious issues other than trinity which I think is still not to clear where he stands but you hold "tongue talkers to a more stricter standard. So those who speak in modern day tongues is of the devil which I do not agree and hold to the other Biblical types you agree with and are still under the power of the devil as this guy states ; how come your standard does not apply to him too.

You cannot be saved and have a devil sorry that is not true you are saved or your not.

So

You would have to

1. say I do not agree with tongues as Pentecostals see it in the bible but they are Christians and do not have a devil
or

2. both Bible Flock box and aka Greg and Pentecostal are false too.

Then which bring me to the next question if 2. is your answer

then why did you use a false teacher who states you have to be a member of the SDA to be in the true church ? I provided the video for you where he says that .

 

[brighthouse98]

Well Enow he started out ok but when he talked about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit he could not be more wrong! ( matt 12:26-37) Many people look to add to scriptures that are never present. Blasphemy is calling Holy Spirit the devil,that is all it is! And no one has ever done this! When I served the enemy for many years I never even thought Holy Spirit was a demon or devil!! LOL

Otherwise to take the Lord's name in vain could be added,and then no one could possibly be saved!! Rom 4:8!!! If it were possible to blasphemy how is it that rom 4:8 does not add this??That is because it is not possible to commit this sin! He believes holy Spirit convicts the believer after they receive Jesus?? Give me a break!

Unbelievers yes,believers no!!!( Rom 8:1!!) Example! Remember what Paul did before he became a believer brother? ( Acts 8:1-3) Then in Acts 25:8 and verse 10 Paul says he did no wrong??Did he lie here?? No of course not!! He knew the revelation by the Lord of Rom 4:8!!

Please show me one chapter of one verse where a believer such as Paul ever repented after coming to the knowledge of the truth.He knew to stay thankful for what Jesus did already! ( 1 Thess 5:18) Then the moron says we can lose Holy Spirit and sited David in psalms! OF COURSE he could!! David was under the law we are no longer under!!( Hebrews 11:39-40!!!!)

Not even John the Baptist is greater then we are!! ( Matt 11:11) Yet what??? the one LEAST in the kingdom is greater then he! As CS1 stated this guy is a nut job who looks to mix old wine with new!( Matt 9:17!!) ( Luke 5:36-39!!) As for us brother enow we are taught by Holy Spirit( 1 John 2:27) And if man looks to change what the word states in any way shape or form no matter how many so called scholars the world has deemed as such mean anything to the believer who measure himself or herself by the Word himself.( 2 Tim 3:10-17!!) verse 14!! I am convinced!

 

[Enow]

it is funny you are so forgiving to Bible Flock box who has serious issues other than trinity which I think is still not to clear where he stands...

I do not understand how you came to that conclusion when I posted that we are to prove everything by Him. I am not forgiving of Bible Flock Box if I do not approve of his stance on keeping the sabbath day as holy.

And I had posted that I do not approve of him saying that believers have to ask for the Holy Spirit as if they do not automatically receive that promise by faith in Jesus Christ when they had come to & believed in Him at their salvation.

I had asked non tongue speakers to discuss and criticize the two videos I had shared.... which you had yet to do.

but you hold "tongue talkers to a more stricter standard. So those who speak in modern day tongues is of the devil which I do not agree and hold to the other Biblical types you agree with and are still under the power of the devil as this guy states ; how come your standard does not apply to him too.

You cannot be saved and have a devil sorry that is not true you are saved or your not.

Explain this verse then.....

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

They had faith; that means the Holy Spirit is in them.. then they departed from faith.. and what? The Restrainer is out of the way? No. He who restrains is still in them, but not restraining any more. If believers are going to "open" themselves up to receiving spirits, thinking it is the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when He is already in them as promised at your salvation....God will permit the strong delusion to occur for believing that lie.

So

You would have to

1. say I do not agree with tongues as Pentecostals see it in the bible but they are Christians and do not have a devil
or

2. both Bible Flock box and aka Greg and Pentecostal are false too.

Then which bring me to the next question if 2. is your answer

then why did you use a false teacher who states you have to be a member of the SDA to be in the true church ? I provided the video for you where he says that .

You did not. I certainly did not see it since I have been asking you to provide a link to prove that he is SDA and you had not been doing it for the longest time now. What post was that in?

Taking off for the night.... you do well consider 1 Timothy 4:1-2 as a warning for all tongue speakers in these latter days that got tongues by what they believe was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life long after they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ.

 

[CS1]

I do not understand how you came to that conclusion when I posted that we are to prove everything by Him. I am not forgiving of Bible Flock Box if I do not approve of his stance on keeping the sabbath day as holy.

And I had posted that I do not approve of him saying that believers have to ask for the Holy Spirit as if they do not automatically receive that promise by faith in Jesus Christ when they had come to & believed in Him at their salvation.

I had asked non tongue speakers to discuss and criticize the two videos I had shared.... which you had yet to do.



Explain this verse then.....

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

They had faith; that means the Holy Spirit is in them.. then they departed from faith.. and what? The Restrainer is out of the way? No. He who restrains is still in them, but not restraining any more. If believers are going to "open" themselves up to receiving spirits, thinking it is the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when He is already in them as promised at your salvation....God will permit the strong delusion to occur for believing that lie.



You did not. I certainly did not see it since I have been asking you to provide a link to prove that he is SDA and you had not been doing it for the longest time now. What post was that in?

Taking off for the night.... you do well consider 1 Timothy 4:1-2 as a warning for all tongue speakers in these latter days that got tongues by what they believe was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life long after they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ.

lol explain what in verses ? that your words and attacks and video's you post have not stated those who speak in tongues are of the devil? you have a double standard for those you think support your biblical position thats ok but the Biblical stands I have taken is in the word of God and you do not agree but suggest I have a devil or speaking by demon. and just have repeated what you haVE posted. I would love for you to say you know

those say speaking in tongues is needed to be saved is wrong and I would amen you and stand with you.

But you have a anger and attack those who love the Lord and saved and speak in tongues and have biblical support. but you say it is a pagan incoherent babble . If that is your stands and accept false teachers from a SDA that clear do not even think you are saved, because you do not worship on Saturday which is not biblical and You given them a pass because he agree with your position ; is very prideful. I could not say amen to him when bible Flock box is saying you are not saved . I would say that person is wrong even if you do not think tongues spoken today is of God.
I ask you , how is it you do not see something wrong with that?

 

[garee]

Nope, you are incorrect - whisper and mutter . . . vain and profane babbling have nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

Do tongues have any thing to do with prophecy the “gift of God” or does it have to do with the sign that reveals some reject the gift of prophecy and they call that sign a gift and make the cross without effect. I would offer we rather walk by faith as did the prophets in Hebrew 11 who also died not receiving the promises of faith.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1Co 1:22


Its an evil generation (natural man)that does seek after a sign.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Whisper and mutter or speaking sounds into the air is the sign.

 

[shrume]

Do tongues have any thing to do with prophecy the “gift of God” or does it have to do with the sign that reveals some reject the gift of prophecy and they call that sign a gift and make the cross without effect. I would offer we rather walk by faith as did the prophets in Hebrew 11 who also died not receiving the promises of faith.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1Co 1:22


Its an evil generation (natural man)that does seek after a sign.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Whisper and mutter or speaking sounds into the air is the sign.

Some people will say anything to try and justify their unbelief.

Do you believe what Paul said is true?

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[garee]

Some people will say anything to try and justify their unbelief.

Do you believe what Paul said is true?

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

It an evil generation (natural man) that does seek afater as sign

Just as long as God was still brining new prophecy that could be added to the whole book of prophecy, the Bible, Paul could commune with those of another language as God revealed prophecy from one he would make it so the other could understand and vice versa.

Neither one peeped and muttered by speaking into the air .Or it would have been like two barbarians trying to preach the gospel and understanding each other.

Two people being moved by the Holy Spirit not one speaking in the air .

1. Paul(red)
2. The other person (green)

So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall “speak into the air”.There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.Therefore if Iknow not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

1Co 14:9

Two way conversations work best for getting the gosple out.

Ephisians 6 has nothing to do with the sign of those who rebel against, God. its prayer and sulication not muttering and peeping

Yes I believe the thoughts of God that he put on the lips of Paul are true.... when God did bring prophecy .You are simply not distinguishing between the gift of prophecy and the sign that shows they reject the gift of prophecy for a sign. that the evil generation seeks after. Christian walk after that not seen (no sign)

Here is the question you missed..

Do tongues have any thing to do with prophecy the “gift of God” or does it have to do with the sign that reveals some reject the gift of prophecy and they call that sign a gift and make the cross without effect. I would offer we rather walk by faith as did the prophets in Hebrew 11 who also died not receiving the promises of faith.