For Non Tongue Speakers Only

[UnderGrace]

Another thread was started that was an expose on your you tube video, apparently the man speaking is a Seventh Day Adventist and his views are offensive and he is a false teacher, which is somewhat interesting, it would seem false teaching only matters when it is used to refute speaking in non earthly languages.

I am not sure if you considered the source of the video but as you will see in the other thread it was not overlooked.

Here is the thread.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154917-false-teacher-bible-flock-box-greg.html

I had posted 2 videos, and I have yet to understand which one CS1 is jumping up and down about of this guy being under a lady whom is a false teacher. He is free to criticize, but he should do so with substance and sources and at least a link to back up his criticism, and not just saying so.

Any video is open to criticism by non tongue speakers. I had this stated in the OP below:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."

I was kind of hoping for iron sharpening iron in this thread by non tongue speakers so as to avoid debates with tongue speakers.

Anyway, if there is something I have overlooked in either video, I do not mind the correction or criticism in light of His words, either by tongue speakers or non tongue speakers, but it should be with sources by at least one link which we can only provide one link in a post anyway, substance, and scripture.

Proverbs 27:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort......[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

 

[stonesoffire]

I had posted 2 videos, and I have yet to understand which one CS1 is jumping up and down about of this guy being under a lady whom is a false teacher. He is free to criticize, but he should do so with substance and sources and at least a link to back up his criticism, and not just saying so.

Any video is open to criticism by non tongue speakers. I had this stated in the OP below:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."

I was kind of hoping for iron sharpening iron in this thread by non tongue speakers so as to avoid debates with tongue speakers.

Anyway, if there is something I have overlooked in either video, I do not mind the correction or criticism in light of His words, either by tongue speakers or non tongue speakers, but it should be with sources by at least one link which we can only provide one link in a post anyway, substance, and scripture.

Proverbs 27:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort......[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

I just want to say enow, that if you can prophesy, then you can speak in tongues, for they both come the same way. Neither are of our own volition.

 

[wolfwint]

the problem with the thread is a false teacher was used by those who say other are not biblical and have not come clean on it :

No all Pentecostals are as you suggest and the Bible Flock box is more out of line and in error than main line Pentecostal churches lol

ag
cogic
four sq
Nez

all hold to the Trinity which caused the split from oneness
all hold to SDA as a theological cult.
the doctrine from the ag , four sq, cogic Southern baptist theology only in the gifts of the Spirit was there and issue and it was not until it became a movement. Church History which is well documented.

Bible Flock Box and aka Greg was used as a creditable source to refute the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and used by those who think they are correct concerning 1cor chapter 12, 13, and 14 LOL

CS1,I recognized, that among pentecostals and also among charismatics the theologie is sometimes very different.
But what all have togehter is the baptism with the Holy Spirit apart from the salvation act. Call it anointing (also about anointing there are different meanings), call it empowerment, call it expierience.
This kind of interprete the scripture is not found before the Pentecostal movement startet.
Acts was written from Luke to Theophilus without any statement of theologie ore doctrine. It was only a report from the marveleous storyaboutthe beginning of christianity.
For to proof your doctrine you have to put in the scripture (like acts 2, 8, 10, 19) more then the text is saying. Then you must take scripture from John (20,22) which was written later then acts for to create the doctrine that apostels had the Holy Spirit before Pentecost.
But nowwhere in the whole scripture you find a proof for what the pentecostal theologie createt. And then you are wondering that we dont believe that?
If this doctrine is so clear to find in the scripture I am wondering that none of the reformators got this input from the Holy Spirit. Instead this doctrine splittet the whole christianity. And we can also observe now that the pentecostal (of course not all) and charismatics going togehter with the RCC (the largest cult we have) for an world unite religion. Of course it is still in the background. So you wonder that we dont believe that the pentecostal doctrine is right?

 

[Enow]

Originally Posted by Enow

Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.


Then you posted...

1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

I wasn't talking about forbidding tongues but which gift to seek from the Lord whereas I said NOT to SEEK the gift of tongue at all.

Even your own scriptural reference you had quoted backed up what I was saying, but I shall highlight the other portion instead in red.

1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Are you coveting to prophesy or are you content in your own exclusivity to speak in tongues without interpretation?

 

[Enow]

I just want to say enow, that if you can prophesy, then you can speak in tongues, for they both come the same way. Neither are of our own volition.

You do know there is an instruction not to quench the Spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]17[/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Quench not the Spirit.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Despise not prophesyings.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Brethren, pray for us.

One of the fruits of the Spirit is temperance which is self control.

Galatians 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And Paul says this about any believer when manifesting a gift by the Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32[/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP] 33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Then Jesus said this about how we speak by the Spirit because His disciples may think the words they speak are their own when serving Him in the fields.

Matthew 18:[SUP]8 [/SUP]And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So understand when I say this, I do not have to feel any loss of self control when I speak for Him normally in prophesying. It is in that respect, I say about tongues without interpretation as circumspect as not of Him at all.

It seems logical that one would think that one should lose control of their tongue when it comes to God's gift of tongues, but that is not what the scripture says at all. When a tongue speaker testifies of praying normally and the "Holy Spirit" cuts in, interrupting his or her prayer, when scripture tells us that God wants us to pray.... then that was not the Holy Spirit cutting into that believer's prayer. No way.

It is time to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom about that kind of tongue which comes with no interpretation at all.

 

[brighthouse98]

It is really sad to see people twist scripture as this enemy of the cross did in rev 13:13 Which has nothing to do with the speaking in tongues! I fully understand what order is in the church!! 1 Cor 14:40 I also know that as far as Paul and I am concerned I also thank my God I speak in tongues more then you all!! LOL ( 1 Cor 14:18!

 

[Enow]

It is really sad to see people twist scripture as this enemy of the cross did in rev 13:13 Which has nothing to do with the speaking in tongues! I fully understand what order is in the church!! 1 Cor 14:40 I also know that as far as Paul and I am concerned I also thank my God I speak in tongues more then you all!! LOL ( 1 Cor 14:18!

BUT do you say as Paul said after that .. where you would prefer to speak five words in normal language than a thusand in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Are you fully like what Paul was saying. I do not think so by the way you had posted.

Even Paul went on to give the bottom line on tongues after that by saying it is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

Or did you miss that too?

 

[Kavik]

Since the Egyptians did not have a written language using the spoken word, by rather hieroglyphics where were used so they could remember what they were told but a person that had not heard could not read.

Hieroglyphics are not using the written spoken word.

Can you provide any evidence where the Egyptians ever used the written spoken word?


Not sure I understand what you’re saying – Egyptian was certainly written; scribes wrote down virtually everything ‘official’ that came out of the pharaoh’s mouth. One of the most literate countries in the ancient world. Are you referring to the scripts used?? As I'm sure you may be aware, by the first century AD, Egyptian came to be written in a variation of the Greek script

Moses may not have written the tablets (or perhaps he did), but he obviously could read them (which also means: if he could read, he could write).

And, no – T-speech is not at all a written phenomenon; it is spoken only. Considering a speaker cannot repeat what they said as T-speech is randomly generated, it stands to reason that neither can they write it. The only examples of written T-speech are those that have been transcribed from either a live source or a recording.
If you’re humming along to a tune making up words as you go along while say doing the dishes, and I ask you to write down what you just sung, chances are pretty slim you’re going to be able to. Your mind is not overly engaged in what you were just doing; it’s more a subconscious process than anything. You’re just not going to remember what you sang word for word. T-speech works somewhat similarly.


Unbelievers cannot speak in tongues because they are not born again of the Spirit and it is the spirit that gives utterance.

Anyone can learn T-speech; it’s a relatively simple learned behavior that in many cases amounts to overcoming (as an adult) any hang-ups about playing with language; something small children do all the time; it comes very naturally. As they are growing up, for obvious reasons, they’re taught not to do that (“talk right”, “use your words”, etc., etc.). T-speech in many respects is an advanced form of language play.

Tongues is not a gift but a manifestation of THE GIFT, the gift of holy spirit . . .

That’s how I would interpret that as well, only to add to it – said ‘tongues’ are real language(s).

 

[Enow]

Another thread was started that was an expose on your you tube video, apparently the man speaking is a Seventh Day Adventist and his views are offensive and he is a false teacher, which is somewhat interesting, it would seem false teaching only matters when it is used to refute speaking in non earthly languages.

I am not sure if you considered the source of the video but as you will see in the other thread it was not overlooked.

Here is the thread.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154917-false-teacher-bible-flock-box-greg.html

Thanks for sharing. Here is the OP and my reply to that OP.

I'm sure many of you know that Youtube is not a great source to use for Biblical study, debate, and edification.

here are some signs in my best Jeff Foxworthy voice " you might be a youtube False teacher if :

1. you have no way to verify your real name
2. you belong to a theological cult out side normal Orthodox Christianity doctrine
3. you have no statement of faith or "what we believe on video
4. you do not sight your sources for your Biblical interpretation
5. yes I belong to a cult but I do not hold to aLL the teaching of Ellen White
6. attack the trinity
7. Attack the torment of Hell
8. sight no evidence of Biblical studies completed yet teaching.

The Bible fox Box and aka Greg is a joke and I'm in tears laughing that anyone would seriously use this guy as a biblical source to prove any Biblical topic LOL. That is about as Pagan as you can get LOL

Some of that in that list can apply to all the posters in this forum.. like #1.

And you are still found wanting. You did not site a source by any link to prove your claims. Stop wasting everybody's time and site a link.

By the way, if you get caught in a trespass in teaching something wrong, does that put you out as a joke as well?

It is not supposed to be funny when believers go astray, but here you are... and a mod too.

Believers are to correct and edify in order to grow in our walk with Him. If you said something wrong or teach something not Biblical, does that discount everything else you had said or taught that was true? If we all judged like that in condemning the person in that way, nobody would be edifying any one, let alone correcting any one.

By the way, christian forums is not really a great site either when believers are coming in with false teachings all the time.

We are to prove all things by Him and by His words as kept in the KJV, and that includes Youtubes and this christian forum, and even the church you go to including your favorite pastor.

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That was the reply above.

Now I have to go and see if I can find what it is he is talking about. I do not doubt that he may be of a cult, but CS1 just saying so without a source link is getting old. Why should we believe anything that he posted without a source if he wants to make that point?

And any christian can say nine truths and one lie which is why we are to prove all things by Him. No one should take any one at their word here or in Youtube. That is why I had asked in the OP to criticize any videos shared and he is not even doing it in this thread and I had asked CS1 to prove it. CS1 is just mouthing off in another thread with no proof still and he thinks it is funny.

I guess I will have to look for it then. Makes me wonder if he is laughing at himself for failing his own criteria from Foxworthy.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

The Bible proved that Satan does have a supernatural tongue in Isaiah 8:19 and that was before Pentecost and still active today. That peep and mutter is the vain and profane babbling spoken about.

Nope, you are incorrect - whisper and mutter . . . vain and profane babbling have nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

When the Bible said what God's gift of tongues were to do is speak unto the people in their native tongue, then why would God do a confusing thing and turn it around to be just senseless babble? Answer; He would not because He is not the author of confusion.

Where does the Bible say that the manifestation of tongues were to speak unto people in their native tongue? Where did God turn speaking in tongues into a confusing thing? senseless babble? In the church, it is to be done by two or at the most by three and in order, and the interpretation given so that there is no confusion.

When it has been prophesied that some may depart from the faith and give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 that is about believers going astray in chasing after seducing spirits for a sign of tongues, thinking that is the Holy Spirit and that tongue which comes with no interpretation is just the Spirit's prayer language. It is not when John 16:13 says it is not plainly and in truth as there can be no departing from that truth.

I thought that ALL scripture was God breathed and given so that man may be thoroughly furnished unto all good works? Would that include 1 Cor. 12-14 concerning spiritual matters that come from God? Also that section of scripture in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 says nothing about speaking in tongues - you are just applying speaking in tongues to that context; neither does John 16:13 apply to speaking in tongues.

 

[Enow]

Another thread was started that was an expose on your you tube video, apparently the man speaking is a Seventh Day Adventist and his views are offensive and he is a false teacher, which is somewhat interesting, it would seem false teaching only matters when it is used to refute speaking in non earthly languages.

I am not sure if you considered the source of the video but as you will see in the other thread it was not overlooked.

Here is the thread.

I am looking at the source of this guy's home page on Youtube but I still do not see anything CS1 is claiming about him.

"I'm a Bible believing Christian. My videos range from Bible facts to religious news, Bible questions and answers, and Bible prophecy to name a few. The purpose of my ministry is to help people understand the Bible better and prepare for Jesus' second coming. If this is the kind of content you're looking for in a channel, subscribe! You won't be disappointed. God bless!"

I see he is of the country of Poland. I will try to find a video that is entitled with a false teaching headlining it or something.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BibleFlockBox2/about

 

[peacefulbeliever]

A distinction must be made between tongues (a sign of those who believe not prophecy) and those who do believe prophecy. They appose each other. In all cases God does the interpreting. We do not put our trust in the private interpretations of men. Demons cannot cause a person to speak in a language unknown to the speaker. Speaking words into the air is simply child’s play

Again it’s the hearing of prophecy not the speaking into the air of the rebellious..

Speaking in tongues with interpretation - the speaking in tongues comes the Spirit and the interpretation comes from the Spirit . . . tongues with interpretation in the church assembly is very similar to prophecy. Jesus Christ poured out the gift of holy spirit - use it! That is what God wants you to do; that is why he gave the gift to you . . .

Tongues without interpretation is between you and the author of confusion. Words have meanings.

Scripture and verse please and please let it be within the context of the subject - speaking in tongues.

 

[Enow]

Another thread was started that was an expose on your you tube video, apparently the man speaking is a Seventh Day Adventist and his views are offensive and he is a false teacher, which is somewhat interesting, it would seem false teaching only matters when it is used to refute speaking in non earthly languages.

I am not sure if you considered the source of the video but as you will see in the other thread it was not overlooked.

Here is the thread.

Okay. I found some videos on him preaching about the sabbath day.

[video=youtube;GJYti-PRoRY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJYti-PRoRY[/video]

There are other videos.. so it looks like he is SDA even though I see no mention of it as being his denomenation. It could be that he just believes that he is to keep the sabbath day.

Anyway.. I shall keep looking to see if he is really SDA or not.

 

[shrume]

Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.

Then you posted...

1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and 1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

I wasn't talking about forbidding tongues but which gift to seek from the Lord whereas I said NOT to SEEK the gift of tongue at all.

That's right. In telling people not to seek the "gift" of tongues at all you are going directly against scripture.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Even your own scriptural reference you had quoted backed up what I was saying, but I shall highlight the other portion instead in red.

1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Are you coveting to prophesy or are you content in your own exclusivity to speak in tongues without interpretation?

I seek to operate ALL the manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul gives instruction on how they are to be used. A person can speak in tongues to himself as much as he wants, but in the church, when spoken out loud, tongues must be interpreted so the church can be edified.

 

[Enow]

Nope, you are incorrect - whisper and mutter . . . vain and profane babbling have nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

I am only speaking against tongues that comes with no interpretation but is just vain and profane babbling.

Where does the Bible say that the manifestation of tongues were to speak unto people in their native tongue?

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Where did God turn speaking in tongues into a confusing thing? senseless babble? In the church, it is to be done by two or at the most by three and in order, and the interpretation given so that there is no confusion.

Then I do not understand why you had asked the previous question when you say you believe God's gift of tongues is to come with interpretation. I am speaking against tongue speakers that claim God can turn that gift around for the Holy Spirit to use as a prayer language.

I thought that ALL scripture was God breathed and given so that man may be thoroughly furnished unto all good works? Would that include 1 Cor. 12-14 concerning spiritual matters that come from God?

It is all God breathed as far as the KJV is concern as keeping the meat of His words for discerning good & evil by it whereas all modern Bibles do not. Errant modern Bibles and wrongful application of the scripture is why tongues without interpretation must be exposed by Him by use of the KJV to be seen as not of Him at all.

Also that section of scripture in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 says nothing about speaking in tongues - you are just applying speaking in tongues to that context; neither does John 16:13 apply to speaking in tongues.

The warning to the church at Thyatira identified that church for speaking the utter depths of Satan for which they speak. Isaiah 8:19 proves that Satan has a supernatural tongue that is vain & profane babbling.

John 16:13 testifies how the Holy Spirit will speak and not speak.

1 Corinthians 14:21 cites tongues to be used as God speaking unto the people.

We are not to believe every spirit but test them because believers are experiencing a spirit coming over them later on in life long after they had been saved in receiving that tongue which comes with no interpretation & is just vain & profane babbling. This is believers believing every spirit and every tongue that comes, thus ignoring John's warning in 1 John 4:1-7

Some use it as a sign as if God is calling them into the ministry. Some use it as a sign that they are saved. 1 Corinthians 14:22 SPECIFICALLY states that tongues were never to serve as a sign towards the believers, but towards the unbelievers.

I have been using scripture... you are not asking Him for wisdom & confirmation to see why they apply to discerning what tongues are of Him and what is not of Him. I ask you to please go before that throne of grace now and ask Him.

 

[Enow]

That's right. In telling people not to seek the "gift" of tongues at all you are going directly against scripture.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

If any believer already had the actual God's gift of tongues which comes with interpretation, I would not forbid it BUT Paul is not exhorting believers to seek the gift of tongues but the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts.

You are misusing scripture at the expense of the entire chapter's main exhortation .........which was repeated twice.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Go ahead... gloss over that last part of the verse and just stick to your renidtion of what you say the first part of that verse means. Here it is repeated later on in that same chapter.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

I seek to operate ALL the manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul gives instruction on how they are to be used.

Which you are ignoring the main point of this chapter for why any believer that are zealous for spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy to edify the body of believers.

A person can speak in tongues to himself as much as he wants, but in the church, when spoken out loud, tongues must be interpreted so the church can be edified.

No tongue speaker can speak to himself in church without making it difficult for other believers around them to hear in church.

If this be true for a person to come in and see all speak in tongues and think them all mad, the same is true for a tongue speaker to speak to himself in church as he or she will be seen as mad or insane.

You are reading & applying 1 Corinthians 14:28 wrong as you are with 1 Corinthians 14:2, but I am done correcting you on it as you are refusing to listen.

Any other reading that wants to know.. can PM me. Lord be willing, He shall have me explain to you how he is reading & applying 1 Corinthians 14:2 & 28 wrong.

 

[shrume]

If any believer already had the actual God's gift of tongues

Every Christian has the gift of holy Spirit which enables him or her to operate the manifestations of that gift.

which comes with interpretation

When done in public, tongues must be interpreted.

I would not forbid it BUT Paul is not exhorting believers to seek the gift of tongues but the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts.

In the church, prophesy is preferred. When tongues are spoken in the church, they must be interpreted so the church will be edified.

You are misusing scripture at the expense of the entire chapter's main exhortation .........which was repeated twice.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Go ahead... gloss over that last part of the verse and just stick to your renidtion of what you say the first part of that verse means. Here it is repeated later on in that same chapter.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

People in the church who speak in tongues and interpret are edifying the church (1 Cor 14:5).

Which you are ignoring the main point of this chapter for why any believer that are zealous for spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy to edify the body of believers.

People in the church who speak in tongues and interpret are edifying the church (1 Cor 14:5).

No tongue speaker can speak to himself in church without making it difficult for other believers around them to hear in church.

You could sit by me in church and not know I was speaking in tongues. Speaking to yourself means you are speaking silently, to yourself and to God (1 Cor 14:28).

If this be true for a person to come in and see all speak in tongues and think them all mad, the same is true for a tongue speaker to speak to himself in church as he or she will be seen as mad or insane.

You could sit by me in church and not know I was speaking in tongues. Speaking to yourself means you are speaking silently, to yourself and to God (1 Cor 14:28).

You are reading & applying 1 Corinthians 14:28 wrong as you are with 1 Corinthians 14:2, but I am done correcting you on it as you are refusing to listen.

Your doctrine is false. You refuse to listen. You may be done "correcting" me, but I am not done speaking against the error you teach.

Any other reading that wants to know.. can PM me. Lord be willing, He shall have me explain to you how he is reading & applying 1 Corinthians 14:2 & 28 wrong.

I hope and pray that nobody listens to you on this subject. You are ignorant, and simply do not know what you are talking about.

 

[wolfwint]

Every Christian has the gift of holy Spirit which enables him or her to operate the manifestations of that gift.


When done in public, tongues must be interpreted.


In the church, prophesy is preferred. When tongues are spoken in the church, they must be interpreted so the church will be edified.


People in the church who speak in tongues and interpret are edifying the church (1 Cor 14:5).


People in the church who speak in tongues and interpret are edifying the church (1 Cor 14:5).


You could sit by me in church and not know I was speaking in tongues. Speaking to yourself means you are speaking silently, to yourself and to God (1 Cor 14:28).


You could sit by me in church and not know I was speaking in tongues. Speaking to yourself means you are speaking silently, to yourself and to God (1 Cor 14:28).


Your doctrine is false. You refuse to listen. You may be done "correcting" me, but I am not done speaking against the error you teach.


I hope and pray that nobody listens to you on this subject. You are ignorant, and simply do not know what you are talking about.

Shrume I have a question, why you dont answer my post to you?

 

[shrume]

Shrume I have a question, why you dont answer my post to you?

Sorry, I must not have seen it. Where? Can you link to it?

 

[wolfwint]

Sorry, I must not have seen it. Where? Can you link to it?

I am not so good in linking:-( Its Post Nr. 613 and 614 in the thread "Benefits of speaking praying and singing in tongues."
Thank you!