Are you RIGHTEOUS?

[BillG]

Because He knows the trials of our faith that we will go through. Will we continue to keep our first love? That to me is the enduring.

from my experience we will at times not love him as he loves us. That's why we go astray and get it wrong.
Ive done that but have I lost my love for Jesus?
I would say no, I would say I question his love for me.

When I have stumbled from that level path I find myself saying something along the lines of

"Jesus I'm in a shitpit, I've got it wrong and I have no idea how to get out of it, it's my fault. I suppose I don't really love you otherwise I wouldn't be here, please help me"

Then at some point I hear Jesus, he looks down in the shitpit I'm in, and he's says move aside I'm coming in, and he sits with me in the shitpit, and talks to me, then he says you ready to walk out this shitpit with me so we can leave this shit behind?

Then I walk out with him.

He gets right into the crap of my life with me.
Thats pure love, and no matter how many times I get it wrong, the fact I call out calling out to him he knows my heart.
A heart that seeks after him he will never rebuke or neglect.
He loves a broken heart that call out to him.

He says "I can deal with a broken and contrite heart and that's my Fathers will and business"

 

[Stephen63]

Well of course he workers for and keeper so of their own salvation must make the words be the same all through the bible while ignoring verb tense and words like eternal and everlasting....changing them into temporary and conditional.......

ABIDING is continuous. Jesus want's us to abide with him because if we don't, we'll be cut off from the vine(Christ).

I didn't make those "changes" dcon, YOU said I did.

Please remember to stay soft hearted like you promised, so as to keep reminding me to do the same, ok?

I believe everyone would want it that way to cut down on the fighting in the BDF.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

What happens when you read these scriptures? You just tell yourself that you love them and go back to working at the law?

Grandpa and ALL,

Thank you. I love all the scriptures you have provided and they are in harmony with what I believe. Why do you and others try to twist the Word that is sent you is beyond me. This is done despite me telling you plainly my position between faith and works. You already know I believe we are only saved by Faith in God's Word and not by the works of the Law. I have told you and others this many times. Obedience however is the fruit of salvation which is by faith in God's Word alone.

Do you not believe we have a savior that can to save the sinner from sin? I believe that I am the chiefest of sinners who Christ has come to save because God's perfect Law is my mirror that brings me to Jesus and shows me that all my own righteousness is as filthy rags. It is here when I see who I really am that I can lay hold of the promises of the God of creation by faith and it is His power that works in my weakness to will and to do of His own God pleasure. (2Cor 12:9; Phil 2:13). Yet If I obey Jesus and follow His Word because I love him, you and others accuse me of being under the works of the law?

Do you believe that Jesus can save us from our sins? God's Word teaches us that we have a Savior that has power to save us from sin as we have faith in His Word (John 3:16). Jesus saves us and gives us power to walk in newness of life to grow and be more and more like him everyday as we abide in Him through faith in His promises. I believe God's Word when he says he has given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness through His Word and that he makes us a partaker of the divine nature so that we can follow him and be like him. He has the power to free us from our sins as we have faith in His Words to save us. (2Pet 1:3-4) Jesus says "Whoever commits sin is a servant to sin (John 8:34) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32). Salvation is conditional on us continuing in His Word learning of Jesus, believing His Word and taking up our cross daily and following Him (Matt 11:28-29; Matt 16:24-25).

You and others here try to twist what I say for your own benefit because you wish to hold on to your own traditions in place of the Word of God. You are like the Jews of old when Jesus says, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Mat 15:3). You hold on to Sunday worship in place of God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment. Yet there is not one verse in the entire bible that tells us to do so. Jesus in His own Words says that the Sabbath was made for man and He is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:27-28). It is the Lord's Day, God's day, yet you seek to replace God's commandments with the traditions of man, Sunday worship. If you truly love God and were a follower of Him you would obey His Words because you love him. (John 14:15).

The Words that I speak are not my words they are the Words of Him who sent me. If I was not sent of Him I would not speak His Words but because I know Him I speak the Words he gives me. If I was not born of God I would not know him and if I share only God's Word to you why do you now believe Him? It is because men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil (sin) that people do not believe Gods Word (John 3:19-21) God' tells us plainly whosoever is born of God does not commit (known) sin and whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. (1John 3:9; 1John 3:6). If you were of God you would believe his Word and follow him.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isa 55:6-7) And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jer 29:13)

He must increase and I must decrease (John 3:30). We must point people to the Word of God because it is there you will find Jesus and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. (John 1:1-3; John 8:34; 31-32)

"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Rev 14:7)

If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

Is that the long version of 'yes'???

 

[Stephen63]

If salvation can be lost no one can KNOW for sure they have it....My bible states I can KNOW I have it and the victory I have over the world is MY FAITH which was BEGUN by Christ and will be FINISHED by Christ......end of story!

No, it's not the end of the story.

Christians will go apostate(rebel) in the falling away before the Antichrist is unleashed. Sinners & hypocrite fakes can't fall away, for none of them were saved to begin with.

Even as we speak, this is happening, & they're falling away to false doctrine by the millions.

We can know if we're saved if we continue to abide in Jesus by such things as "taking up our cross & follow Him", & keeping Jesus' commandments like He said.

Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments". We don't do that by SAYING we love God & our neighbor.

Keeping Christ's commandments is not preaching against a "working for salvation" group that doesn't exists.

Judging people as "works salvationists" isn't keeping Jesus' commandments either.

 

[Stephen63]

Grandpa and ALL,

Thank you. I love all the scriptures you have provided and they are in harmony with what I believe. Why do you and others try to twist the Word that is sent you is beyond me. This is done despite me telling you plainly my position between faith and works. You already know I believe we are only saved by Faith in God's Word and not by the works of the Law. I have told you and others this many times. Obedience however is the fruit of salvation which is by faith in God's Word alone.

Do you not believe we have a savior that can to save the sinner from sin? I believe that I am the chiefest of sinners who Christ has come to save because God's perfect Law is my mirror that brings me to Jesus and shows me that all my own righteousness is as filthy rags. It is here when I see who I really am that I can lay hold of the promises of the God of creation by faith and it is His power that works in my weakness to will and to do of His own God pleasure. (2Cor 12:9; Phil 2:13). Yet If I obey Jesus and follow His Word because I love him, you and others accuse me of being under the works of the law?

Do you believe that Jesus can save us from our sins? God's Word teaches us that we have a Savior that has power to save us from sin as we have faith in His Word (John 3:16). Jesus saves us and gives us power to walk in newness of life to grow and be more and more like him everyday as we abide in Him through faith in His promises. I believe God's Word when he says he has given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness through His Word and that he makes us a partaker of the divine nature so that we can follow him and be like him. He has the power to free us from our sins as we have faith in His Words to save us. (2Pet 1:3-4) Jesus says "Whoever commits sin is a servant to sin (John 8:34) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32). Salvation is conditional on us continuing in His Word learning of Jesus, believing His Word and taking up our cross daily and following Him (Matt 11:28-29; Matt 16:24-25).

You and others here try to twist what I say for your own benefit because you wish to hold on to your own traditions in place of the Word of God. You are like the Jews of old when Jesus says, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Mat 15:3). You hold on to Sunday worship in place of God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment. Yet there is not one verse in the entire bible that tells us to do so. Jesus in His own Words says that the Sabbath was made for man and He is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:27-28). It is the Lord's Day, God's day, yet you seek to replace God's commandments with the traditions of man, Sunday worship. If you truly love God and were a follower of Him you would obey His Words because you love him. (John 14:15).

The Words that I speak are not my words they are the Words of Him who sent me. If I was not sent of Him I would not speak His Words but because I know Him I speak the Words he gives me. If I was not born of God I would not know him and if I share only God's Word to you why do you now believe Him? It is because men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil (sin) that people do not believe Gods Word (John 3:19-21) God' tells us plainly whosoever is born of God does not commit (known) sin and whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. (1John 3:9; 1John 3:6). If you were of God you would believe his Word and follow him.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isa 55:6-7) And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jer 29:13)

He must increase and I must decrease (John 3:30). We must point people to the Word of God because it is there you will find Jesus and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. (John 1:1-3; John 8:34; 31-32)

"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Rev 14:7)

If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

They have to continuously reframe your posts to make them look like earning salvation by works in order to prop up their illegitimate beliefs to make them look legitimate.

It's the same old story: one must tell a lie to cover up the lie they've been living. So they lie & say your beliefs that they fabricated from your posts are wrong.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Is that the long version of 'yes'???

No this is the version that shows who we follow. I believe God I must follow Him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No this is the version that shows who we follow. I believe God I must follow Him

then follow him and trust him, and stop trusting yourself and your ability to obey, b case when it comes down to it, you can obey to he best of your ability, you will still fall short.

 

[LoveGodForever]

They have to continuously reframe your posts to make them look like earning salvation by works in order to prop up their illegitimate beliefs to make them look legitimate.

It's the same old story: one must tell a lie to cover up the lie they've been living. So they lie & say your beliefs that they fabricated from your posts are wrong.

Absolutely, and then stone the messenger because they cannot attack the message

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely, and then stone the messenger because they cannot attack the message

that would be the tactic of the workers

your message has been thoroughly refuted, Without lying about what you believe

 

[LoveGodForever]

then follow him and trust him, and stop trusting yourself and your ability to obey, b case when it comes down to it, you can obey to he best of your ability, you will still fall short.

Yes I do already go read what I said in post 360. I made my position very clear. If anyone is saying anything different when I have already told them the truth they are telling lies.

"If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47) He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

 

[LoveGodForever]

that would be the tactic of the workers

your message has been thoroughly refuted, Without lying about what you believe

Then show me where any post I have written has been refuted? No one replies to my posts accept to accusing me of saying things I did not say or do not believe. Who of you accuse me of not walking with God and if all I do is share God's Word with you why do you not believe it? Ok going out now back latter. Good by all nice talking to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes I do already go read what I said in post 360. I made my position very clear. If anyone is saying anything different when I have already told them the truth they are telling lies.

"If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47) He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

then why are you arguing against those who have faith in these words and telling them they are wrong?

Oh wait, I see, you say you have faith, but your faith is in your ability to abide, and obeying the ten commands like the sabbath,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then show me where it has been refuted? No one replies to my posts accept to accusing me of things that I do not do. Who of you accuse me of not walking with God and if all I do is share God's Word with you why do you not believe it?

I can post gods gods word all day, posting gods word does not make you a christian

havinfath in the living word that he has sav d you with a holy calling, and given you live eternal, and an inheritance which does not fade away, that he who begun a god work in you will complete it, that by on offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, and if at does not help, he gave you e HS as a pledge until he returns, for assurance of your salvation .

Tmof works, lest anyon should bet.

If you d not believe these as fact, you are not a true e believer no matter how much scripture you post

if you do forgive me

 

[MattforJesus]

The man Christ Jesus had to conduct Himself a certain way to be right in the eyes of God,and we being human have to do the same thing.

For all judgment is committed unto the Son,the man Christ Jesus,for He is a human that was right with God,and obtained heaven,so there is no excuse,and we can have the same power,the Holy Spirit,to conduct ourselves like Christ.

Everybody has to measure up to the lifestyle of the man Christ Jesus.

Like the saints shall judge the world,for they obtained heaven,so the world is without excuse why they could not make it to heaven.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Everybody has to measure up to the behavior,and lifestyle,of the man Christ Jesus,for He is the judge,and we as human have to be like Him,for we cannot obtain heaven if we do not measure up to the man Christ Jesus.

People that hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

We have to have the lifestyle of righteousness,and the saints put on Christ,as we have to measure up to the standard of the man Christ Jesus,for we are human like Him,which we can be like Christ by the Holy Spirit if we hate sin,and do not want sin.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Hey stop that sinning,and holding unto sin,and be righteous,for every thought should be to the obedience of Christ.

Forest Gump-stupid is as stupid does.

Jesus Christ-righteousness is as righteousness does,and we have to have the outward appearance of righteousness,and if we put on the righteousness of Christ we should act like Him,like the kingdom of God is within you by the Spirit,so we should display the kingdom of God's ways,which is abstain from sin,and love.

Awake to righteousness,and sin not,an outer apprearance of righteousness.

 

[Stephen63]

then follow him and trust him, and stop trusting yourself and your ability to obey, b case when it comes down to it, you can obey to he best of your ability, you will still fall short.

Guess what, I CAN obey God 'cuz He made me able to!
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
So, YEAH, I have the ability to obey because God gave it to me.

You act like obedience is a bad thing.

But no wonder, with your beliefs so messed up & all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Guess what, I CAN obey God 'cuz He made me able to!
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
So, YEAH, I have the ability to obey because God gave it to me.

You act like obedience is a bad thing.

But no wonder, with your beliefs so messed up & all.

guess what, ALL of gods children obey him, john makes that clear as day, they do not live in sin, they can't, those who live in sin, has never seen god r known him,

but you deny that, the you deny the power of God, and again, you can, you are still depending on self.

Stop boasting of what you think you can do, and start to rely on a god to save you,

 

[Limey410v2]

then follow him and trust him, and stop trusting yourself and your ability to obey, b case when it comes down to it, you can obey to he best of your ability, you will still fall short.

Amen, even the unsaved can follow the Law.

 

[Limey410v2]

Grandpa and ALL,

Thank you. I love all the scriptures you have provided and they are in harmony with what I believe. Why do you and others try to twist the Word that is sent you is beyond me. This is done despite me telling you plainly my position between faith and works. You already know I believe we are only saved by Faith in God's Word and not by the works of the Law. I have told you and others this many times. Obedience however is the fruit of salvation which is by faith in God's Word alone.

Do you not believe we have a savior that can to save the sinner from sin? I believe that I am the chiefest of sinners who Christ has come to save because God's perfect Law is my mirror that brings me to Jesus and shows me that all my own righteousness is as filthy rags. It is here when I see who I really am that I can lay hold of the promises of the God of creation by faith and it is His power that works in my weakness to will and to do of His own God pleasure. (2Cor 12:9; Phil 2:13). Yet If I obey Jesus and follow His Word because I love him, you and others accuse me of being under the works of the law?

Do you believe that Jesus can save us from our sins? God's Word teaches us that we have a Savior that has power to save us from sin as we have faith in His Word (John 3:16). Jesus saves us and gives us power to walk in newness of life to grow and be more and more like him everyday as we abide in Him through faith in His promises. I believe God's Word when he says he has given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness through His Word and that he makes us a partaker of the divine nature so that we can follow him and be like him. He has the power to free us from our sins as we have faith in His Words to save us. (2Pet 1:3-4) Jesus says "Whoever commits sin is a servant to sin (John 8:34) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32). Salvation is conditional on us continuing in His Word learning of Jesus, believing His Word and taking up our cross daily and following Him (Matt 11:28-29; Matt 16:24-25).

You and others here try to twist what I say for your own benefit because you wish to hold on to your own traditions in place of the Word of God. You are like the Jews of old when Jesus says, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Mat 15:3). You hold on to Sunday worship in place of God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment. Yet there is not one verse in the entire bible that tells us to do so. Jesus in His own Words says that the Sabbath was made for man and He is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:27-28). It is the Lord's Day, God's day, yet you seek to replace God's commandments with the traditions of man, Sunday worship. If you truly love God and were a follower of Him you would obey His Words because you love him. (John 14:15).

The Words that I speak are not my words they are the Words of Him who sent me. If I was not sent of Him I would not speak His Words but because I know Him I speak the Words he gives me. If I was not born of God I would not know him and if I share only God's Word to you why do you now believe Him? It is because men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil (sin) that people do not believe Gods Word (John 3:19-21) God' tells us plainly whosoever is born of God does not commit (known) sin and whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. (1John 3:9; 1John 3:6). If you were of God you would believe his Word and follow him.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isa 55:6-7) And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jer 29:13)

He must increase and I must decrease (John 3:30). We must point people to the Word of God because it is there you will find Jesus and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. (John 1:1-3; John 8:34; 31-32)

"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Rev 14:7)

If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

I believe that Jesus HAS saved us from our sins. He Has washed me clean, and He sees me righteous. Gods perfect law was designed as Paul states to stir up sin (Romans 7:5), and show us that outside of His Grace and Mercy we have no hope.

Yet when we receive the resurrected spirit of Christ Jesus we can walk in a relationship with Him no longer tethered to the Law and the commandments. Freedom is NOT in the Law, freedom is in the Spirit of Christ. You my friend have it backwards.

 

[Limey410v2]

Hey stop that sinning,and holding unto sin,and be righteous,for every thought should be to the obedience of Christ.

Forest Gump-stupid is as stupid does.

Jesus Christ-righteousness is as righteousness does,and we have to have the outward appearance of righteousness,and if we put on the righteousness of Christ we should act like Him,like the kingdom of God is within you by the Spirit,so we should display the kingdom of God's ways,which is abstain from sin,and love.

Awake to righteousness,and sin not,an outer appearance of righteousness.

You believe that you are to have the outward appearance of righteousness?

Let me clarify a couple of things :

Righteous is as Jesus did.

Outward appearance of righteousness means NOTHING to Jesus.

Acting like Jesus, will not get you close to Jesus!

Try being the person you were made to be with the Spirit of the life God in you.!!

I agree, stupid is as stupid does!

 

[LoveGodForever]

I believe that Jesus HAS saved us from our sins. He Has washed me clean, and He sees me righteous. Gods perfect law was designed as Paul states to stir up sin (Romans 7:5), and show us that outside of His Grace and Mercy we have no hope.

Yet when we receive the resurrected spirit of Christ Jesus we can walk in a relationship with Him no longer tethered to the Law and the commandments. Freedom is NOT in the Law, freedom is in the Spirit of Christ. You my friend have it backwards.

Limey420,
So what is it that you are accusing me of having backwards? What is it in any of my posts that I have sent you all that is backwards? If you cant tell me then why do you accuse me of something that is not true? I present God's Word to you and you do not believe God. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law through faith (Rom 13:10) Do you love Jesus? I must follow Jesus our opinions mean nothing. Only God's Word is truth. "If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47) He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)