New Names / New identity in Christ

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Miri

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I've been thinking about how various bible characters who where given
new names, both in the Old and New Testament

Just to name a couple of examples


Abram was changed to Abraham(meaning "father of many nations,"
see Genesis 17:1 - 5)

his wife's from Sarai to Sarah (which means "mother of many
nations," see verses 15 - 16)


Simon, was called Peter, which means a little stone (John 1:40 - 42).

Jesus gave the brothers John and James a rather humorous designation
of 'the sons of thunder' (Mark 3:13 - 17)!


Anyway it got me wondering if God has a new name in mind for all of us;
and/or what do you think your new name is. :) (I don't know why but the
name beloved came to mind as I was typing out the question. Maybe that's
mine or maybe it applies to us all).

The new names seemed also to reflect the potential that the people had in
them, rather than where they were at.

I recently heard this as well and thought it was really good:

The devil knows your name but he calls you by your sin, because he is
the accuser. God knows your sin but he calls you by your name, because
he is your redeemer.


This is an interesting verse as well.


Isaiah 43:1 NKJV
[1] But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, And
He who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed
you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine.
 
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Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

We might just get a new name from ABBA Father :)

I don't know if you are familiar with the juridical system of the Jews? If they prayed about something they would cast lots. How it worked was the high priest would have two stones in his pocket, a black one and a white one. After they prayed he would take out a stone and black was no and white was yes. So if we receive the white stone it is a yes from our High Priest and He will give us our new name :)
 
notmyown

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can someone tell me if this holds up in the Hebrew?

because it's interesting that when God changed Abram and Sarai's names, what changed was the added H.

hhhhhaaa... the breath of life? (Gen 2:7)

lol it's a reach, eh? :)
 
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notmyown said:
can someone tell me if this holds up in the Hebrew?

because it's interesting that when God changed Abram and Sarai's names, what changed was the added H.

hhhhhaaa... the breath of life? (Gen 2:7)

lol it's a reach, eh? :)
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Not at all, the Hebrew letter added is Hey. the picture associated with Hey is a man with arms that is raised and it means: eternity, look, reveal and breath.

So what did God reveal to Abraham? He revealed the breath/eternity of God as a man with raised (or outstretched) arms :)
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Not at all, the Hebrew letter added is Hey. the picture associated with Hey is a man with arms that is raised and it means: eternity, look, reveal and breath.

So what did God reveal to Abraham? He revealed the breath/eternity of God as a man with raised (or outstretched) arms :)
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cool! thanks. :)
 
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Miri said:


I've been thinking about how various bible characters who where given
new names, both in the Old and New Testament

Just to name a couple of examples


Abram was changed to Abraham(meaning "father of many nations,"
see Genesis 17:1 - 5)

his wife's from Sarai to Sarah (which means "mother of many
nations," see verses 15 - 16)


Simon, was called Peter, which means a little stone (John 1:40 - 42).

Jesus gave the brothers John and James a rather humorous designation
of 'the sons of thunder' (Mark 3:13 - 17)!


Anyway it got me wondering if God has a new name in mind for all of us;
and/or what do you think your new name is. :) (I don't know why but the
name beloved came to mind as I was typing out the question. Maybe that's
mine or maybe it applies to us all).

The new names seemed also to reflect the potential that the people had in
them, rather than where they were at.

I recently heard this as well and thought it was really good:

The devil knows your name but he calls you by your sin, because he is
the accuser. God knows your sin but he calls you by your name, because
he is your redeemer.


This is an interesting verse as well.


Isaiah 43:1 NKJV
[1] But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, And
He who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed
you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine.
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If a name tells of our potential, then I don't see the use of renaming in heaven. Because there, God has risen us to that full potential. We can't get better than "reached it." And there is no potential of "not living up to our potential."

That said, since God rarely does what I expect him to do, I wouldn't be surprised with a renaming either.

As for "beloved?" Here's a list of female names that mean that, Sherry. (Or would you prefer Davi?) :)
 
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Another change of name came when Jacob realized who he was when he met God at Bethel. God changed his name to Israel.

From Jacob - "supplanter" to Israel - "triumphant with God".
 
notmyown

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what if.... the new name is God's Name?

a name is a description of a person's character, yes? and the believers are being conformed to Christ's character?

following Miri's Isaiah verse...

Everyone who is called by My name,
And whom I have created for My glory,
Whom I have formed, even whom I have made. (Is 43:7)

The nations shall see your righteousness, and all the kings your glory, and you shall be called by a new name that the mouth of the LORD will give. (Is 62:2)
 
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A few quick comments on the concept of name changes….

In many cultures, when a person "came into their own", reached adulthood, finished a spirit journey, etc., etc., it was/is common for them to take another name - this is something still done in Native American culture today; you may have a "legal" name (your name in the White Man's world), but typically in your respective language, you take a different name which is usually done via a naming ceremony.

In my neck of the woods for example, there was a sagamore who lived in the mid-late 1600's named Passaconaway (‘Babiwsekonnawa’ in Abenaki) - 'child of the bear' - this was not the name he was born with, but rather one he took when he ascended to the chieftainship.

What's different in the Biblical examples of course, is that the new name is one that is given to them, not one they may have chosen for themselves.

But.....this is very similar to what happens with last names in many cultures (French Canadian is a prime example); by-names, or nicknames (particularly one's coming from military service) frequently eventually became the person's legal last name.

In many Christian denominations (hmmm...now that I think about it, may not 'many') when one is confirmed, one takes a 'confirmation name', typically not the same as one's own name. In the RC Church, a newly elected Pope will take another name as well. I think the same may even hold true when a priest is ordained (or maybe it's just that he has an option to, if he wants to change it). A guy I went to high school with's name was Paul; he's know known as "Fr. Angelus".

Abraham and Sarah are just variations of Avram and Sarai (Kind of like 'Mic' as opposed to 'Mike', or 'Kate' as opposed to 'Kattie'). Sarai/Sarah, btw, means 'princess', not 'mother of many nations', the latter being more of an epithet than an actual name.

Here's an interesting article on the nickname "Boanerges" - "Sons of Thunder"? Perhaps not:

Boanerges | The amazing name Boanerges: meaning and etymology

Peter (Petros) is just the (Koine) Greek rendering of the Aramaic ‘Kephas’ (Cephas) – it means ‘rock’, not ‘little stone’.
 
notmyown

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Grace777x70 said:
Another change of name came when Jacob realized who he was when he met God at Bethel. God changed his name to Israel.

From Jacob - "supplanter" to Israel - "triumphant with God".
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not just realized who he was. God changed him. :)
 
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notmyown said:
not just realized who he was. God changed him. :)
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Amen....he said God is in this place. God takes no pleasure in the legs ( strength) of a man. God showed him by touching his thigh - Jacob/Israel would lean on his staff for the rest of his life - knowing the had to rely on God instead of himself.

Hebrews 11:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] By faith Jacob, as he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.


I like the analogy of how Jacob was running from Esau all his life because of fear. This is a picture of the Christian life. Esau was born first - of the flesh - Jacob was born after - it is a picture of being born-again.

We are born in the flesh and then born in the spirit. Knowing how to walk by the spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh is paramount in walking free from the flesh's influence in our life.

When we see God is with us and that we are in Christ as a new creation - the flesh has no more hold over us and then our real name is "triumphant in God" ( through Christ ) is manifested.
 
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Rev 2:17　 'Let everyone listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone. On the white stone is written a new name that no one knows except the person who receives it.'"　


 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

We might just get a new name from ABBA Father :)

I don't know if you are familiar with the juridical system of the Jews? If they prayed about something they would cast lots. How it worked was the high priest would have two stones in his pocket, a black one and a white one. After they prayed he would take out a stone and black was no and white was yes. So if we receive the white stone it is a yes from our High Priest and He will give us our new name :)
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Intriguing - just my thoughts, if only the person who receives it knows it. Then
what does everyone else call them. :)
 
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notmyown said:
can someone tell me if this holds up in the Hebrew?

because it's interesting that when God changed Abram and Sarai's names, what changed was the added H.

hhhhhaaa... the breath of life? (Gen 2:7)

lol it's a reach, eh? :)
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Some people whistle and wooshhhhh. Lol
 
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If a name tells of our potential, then I don't see the use of renaming in heaven. Because there, God has risen us to that full potential. We can't get better than "reached it." And there is no potential of "not living up to our potential."

That said, since God rarely does what I expect him to do, I wouldn't be surprised with a renaming either.

As for "beloved?" Here's a list of female names that mean that, Sherry. (Or would you prefer Davi?) :)
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My names wasn't among them. :( :p
 
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notmyown said:
can someone tell me if this holds up in the Hebrew?

because it's interesting that when God changed Abram and Sarai's names, what changed was the added H.

hhhhhaaa... the breath of life? (Gen 2:7)

lol it's a reach, eh? :)
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HA is actually part of JehovAH....:)
 
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It's strange because my name means share of a meadow!

I've had several dreams in the past about being in a meadow or field,
some talking to Jesus, others being led by Jesus. Several where I have
been in a field under a shady tree etc.

Still others about flowers in a field or meadow. My current name seems to fit the current
me.

Does your current name seem to fit you in a spiritual sense.

I still wonder if there is something in our potential, something to do with names.

I have a friend called Wendy and we use to tease her calling her Wendy WOW!

Then a few years later she kept getting a word from God about women of worship
and warriors of worship. I can tell you she is both of these things.

Maybe Wendy Wow is her name in Christ. :)
 
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Miri said:


I've been thinking about how various bible characters who where given
new names, both in the Old and New Testament

Just to name a couple of examples


Abram was changed to Abraham(meaning "father of many nations,"
see Genesis 17:1 - 5)

his wife's from Sarai to Sarah (which means "mother of many
nations," see verses 15 - 16)


Simon, was called Peter, which means a little stone (John 1:40 - 42).

Jesus gave the brothers John and James a rather humorous designation
of 'the sons of thunder' (Mark 3:13 - 17)!


Anyway it got me wondering if God has a new name in mind for all of us;
and/or what do you think your new name is. :) (I don't know why but the
name beloved came to mind as I was typing out the question. Maybe that's
mine or maybe it applies to us all).

The new names seemed also to reflect the potential that the people had in
them, rather than where they were at.

I recently heard this as well and thought it was really good:

The devil knows your name but he calls you by your sin, because he is
the accuser. God knows your sin but he calls you by your name, because
he is your redeemer.


This is an interesting verse as well.


Isaiah 43:1 NKJV
[1] But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, And
He who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed
you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine.
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Matt 16.13-20
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” [SUP]16 [/SUP]Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” [SUP]17 [/SUP]And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. [SUP]18 [/SUP]I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.


This passage contains 4 of greatest revelations that Jesus taught us about our new identity in him and following him and that every son and daughter of God should get and understand....Paul expands this truth in 2 Cor 5.17

Revelation 1: Divine Divinity:
We learn who Jesus is from the Holy Spirit-
Father revealed to Simon Barjona, who Jesus was to Simon Barjona

Revelation 2: Divine Identity in Christ:
We are who God says we are
Jesus changed Simon Barjona to Peter

Revelation 3: Divine destiny:
We are the church and we are given gifts and a purpose to help advance the kingdom of Heaven
Peter was to to build the church on the chief cornerstone, the rock, Jesus Christ

Revelation 4: Divine Authority in Christ:
We have the authority and backing of Jesus Christ to do his will on the earth as it is done in heaven..
Peter was given divine authority from Jesus to do his will on heaven and on earth...
 
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Hebrew actually has a sound that sounds like they are clearing their throat or something. It's hard for me to get used to hearing. But, it might have something to do with breath and the h.

Life is fascinating isnt it? :)
 
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