CAN A REAL CHRISTIAN DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS?

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CAN A TRUE CHRISTIAN DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS?

  • A TRUE CHRISTIAN CAN DENY THE DEITY OF JESU

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  • A TRUE CHRISTIAN CANNOT DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS

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Feb 1, 2014
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My response on this question is NO.

Some neophyte convert might be confused about this issue, but ultimately if a professed believer is denying the deity of Jesus, and attempting to teach others that Jesus is not God, it's a good sign that he isn't saved whatsoever, and should be evangelized.

Some will insist that the label "Son of God" means Jesus was not God, but this is ludicrous.

How can someone deny an ESSENTIAL aspect of Jesus' person and work, and still be saved?

In this era of wishy-washy "don't be judgmental" mentality, is it required that Christians be wishy-washy on this issue?

When does ice cream cease to be ice cream? It has certain ingredients and characteristics...cream, sweetener, and it is cold. If I ask for ice cream, and my server brings me a warm, hard, smelly soup looking concoction, and says, this is ice cream, and I going to chow down on it? Of course not.

Those who deny the deity of Jesus are trying to pass their false god, who is not Jesus, off as Jesus. And, other dolts accuse those who address them harshly of being judgmental. Never mind the younger believer or seeker who is listening to the conversation and beginning to think that the heretic's argument holds water.

I am with St. Nicholas, who punched Arius (the father of Arianism) at the Council of Nicea for making such foolish claims. Professed believers who claim Jesus is not God should be addressed harshly.

And, I'm on record for saying I am strongly convicted they are not saved, despite their claims. If they were saved, they would not want to bring up obviously controversial topics to cause others doubts. They may fool others, but not me.

Beware, young believers and seekers. This site is full of Restorationist kooks and conspiracy theorists seeking to instill doubt concerning basic Christian teaching and practice. Find a good evangelical church and learn sound doctrine there.

By the way, I highly recommend Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ by Rob Bowman.

Also, avoid the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) and some groups of Hebrew Roots/Messianic Jews/Torah Observers who deny the deity of Jesus (they should be avoided for many reasons, but the groups which deny the deity of Jesus are especially heretical).
 

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I answered that one cannot be considered a christian if they deny the deity of Jesus.

Who is that in the attachment you have? Is that Saint Nicholaus?
 
Feb 1, 2014
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I was unable to make a few modifications on this thread because time ran out.

I was going to modify the description to indicate that those who expect us to be tolerant about professed Christians denying the deity of Jesus, and consider them to be brothers in Christ, are suggesting that we need to eat at a table where our fellow diner is feasting on feces and offering them to us as a delicious, essential treat. No, thanks.

I've attempted to consider others who hold the position that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God to be fellow believers, but it is simply impossible. Any person who is denying an essential aspect of Jesus' person and work, long-term, hasn't come to faith yet, and it is deceptive and dangerous to affirm their delusion. And, if they are a professed believer, they need to be HARSHLY addressed and can expect it in my presence.

Pretty soon, others at their table will be eating the same food and declaring themselves to be enlightened, while others are idolatrous for worshiping Jesus as their Lord of Lords, and King of Kings (by the way, this title applies to YHVH, who is the true God..another proof of Jesus' deity).
 
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trofimus

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They can be Christians in the narrow meaning of the word - believing that Jesus was Christ.

But I think they cannot continue with it too long before they find out there is something more to this "man".

They would have to never attend a church or never read the New Testament carefully.
 
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I think that what may happen is that those that deny Jesus is in fact God come in the flesh - they may think that if they "mimic" the things Jesus said while here on this earth - that they are good to go.

They can make Jesus a 'religion" and condemn those that don't "follow Him like they do" or the way they interpret some scriptures.

In essence they have a religion which replaces the life of Christ in us for "following His teachings". The true Christian life is Christ living in and through us. Gal. 2:20 & Col. 3:3


They may just be baby Christians too and have not grown in the grace and knowledge of the Lord but eventually they will recognize Jesus for His place as God Himself in the form of the Son
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My response on this question is NO.

Some neophyte convert might be confused about this issue, but ultimately if a professed believer is denying the deity of Jesus, and attempting to teach others that Jesus is not God, it's a good sign that he isn't saved whatsoever, and should be evangelized.

Some will insist that the label "Son of God" means Jesus was not God, but this is ludicrous.

How can someone deny an ESSENTIAL aspect of Jesus' person and work, and still be saved?

In this era of wishy-washy "don't be judgmental" mentality, is it required that Christians be wishy-washy on this issue?

When does ice cream cease to be ice cream? It has certain ingredients and characteristics...cream, sweetener, and it is cold. If I ask for ice cream, and my server brings me a warm, hard, smelly soup looking concoction, and says, this is ice cream, and I going to chow down on it? Of course not.

Those who deny the deity of Jesus are trying to pass their false god, who is not Jesus, off as Jesus. And, other dolts accuse those who address them harshly of being judgmental. Never mind the younger believer or seeker who is listening to the conversation and beginning to think that the heretic's argument holds water.

I am with St. Nicholas, who punched Arius (the father of Arianism) at the Council of Nicea for making such foolish claims. Professed believers who claim Jesus is not God should be addressed harshly.

And, I'm on record for saying I am strongly convicted they are not saved, despite their claims. If they were saved, they would not want to bring up obviously controversial topics to cause others doubts. They may fool others, but not me.

Beware, young believers and seekers. This site is full of Restorationist kooks and conspiracy theorists seeking to instill doubt concerning basic Christian teaching and practice. Find a good evangelical church and learn sound doctrine there.

By the way, I highly recommend Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ by Rob Bowman.

Also, avoid the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) and some groups of Hebrew Roots/Messianic Jews/Torah Observers who deny the deity of Jesus (they should be avoided for many reasons, but the groups which deny the deity of Jesus are especially heretical).
Just by the fact that we call ourselves "Christians" would suggest we believe in the deity of Jesus. Some see him as God in flesh; others as the Son of God. Some see him as both. I haven't run into any Christians on this site who don't believe Jesus is divine.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Just by the fact that we call ourselves "Christians" would suggest we believe in the deity of Jesus. Some see him as God in flesh; others as the Son of God. Some see him as both. I haven't run into any Christians on this site who don't believe Jesus is divine.
Amen

You haven't? ! There's a scary amount of them
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I cannot remember who said this, but

Jesus was

a) God
b) Insane, thinking He was God
c) Evil, pretending to be God

Those are the only three options.
So why would anyone follow someone who is either insane or evil?
 

notmyown

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I cannot remember who said this, but

Jesus was

a) God
b) Insane, thinking He was God
c) Evil, pretending to be God

Those are the only three options.
So why would anyone follow someone who is either insane or evil?

C. S. Lewis, in Mere Christianity, i think. :)
 
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heartofdavid

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I struggle with that word "can".

I believe,as someone pointed out,they will,if saved,be placed at the " deity of Christ" crossroads very soon after,or at ,conversion.

And if truly converted,they would naturally hear His voice,and subsequently believe in His deity in agreement with His Word.
 
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heartofdavid

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...but no,no real Christian would ever,ever deny Jesus deity.

Put another way, " how could a "Christian" guarantee a trip to hell"?

Deny the deity of Jesus would surely do it.
 
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heartofdavid

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Anyone care to bet your life on it?
 
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Is it not fair to say that everything that can be learned and gleaned from the word is a process of growth and maturity....the word leads men to both acknowledge that JESUS is not only the only begotten Son of GOD, but also the SON of MAN....I guess the question could be better framed in this way...

a. Must a lost man acknowledge the deity of Jesus to be born again?

Obviously one who is "Christian" will acknowledge the Deity of JESUS......SO......at what point is that knowledge required within the frame work of growth, maturity and knowledge?
 

p_rehbein

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In my opinion, no........but that's my opinion
 
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You know this topic forum should be along the lines of what do true Christians believe in base SOLELY on scripture support AND with explanation without any formal reply, just in their own casual words. Now that is what is required in a 'normal' Christian Bible study discussion, right? Then we can know at least to some degree that they love the Lord. It will show in their ‘tone’ and ‘voice,’ right?

Lord bless the seekers and those already walking in the light.

In Christ, Always
 
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1 Cor 12.3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
 
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toinena

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I asked a Christian friend this question. If he had a gun aimed at his head and asked to renounce Jesus, he said yes he would. And Peter did. But for me, I rather die than to deny the deity of Jesus. He is my Lord and savior. But that is me. In a matter of survival you might act on instinct.