Is pray to Mary = pray to the devil

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Jackson123

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I wonder, some people pray to Mary and get help, is that true Mary able to help? Or the devil
 

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God our Savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
 

Jackson123

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God our Savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Than why some people pray to Mary and get help?
 

loveme1

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I wonder, some people pray to Mary and get help, is that true Mary able to help? Or the devil

Mary would be called blessed... but the Messiah said this:

Luke 11


And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


The obsession with Mary alludes me....

Heavenly Father chose Mary to be a vessel for our Messiah to enter
the world to redeem us...

But We are to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.

no need for idols... leave them for those who believe not.. GOD detests them.


 

Jackson123

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Mary would be called blessed... but the Messiah said this:

Luke 11


And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


The obsession with Mary alludes me....

Heavenly Father chose Mary to be a vessel for our Messiah to enter
the world to redeem us...

But We are to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.

no need for idols... leave them for those who believe not.. GOD detests them.


But Some people get help when they pray to Mary.
 

loveme1

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But Some people get help when they pray to Mary.

People believe they get money because they have a little statue of some strange looking large man on their side board..

Others will dance and believe the dance caused the rain to fall...

Our Father knows what we need before we ask.... we know we need not be repetitive...

focus on the Light and wonder not after other gods.. some will have you burn your children to them.
 

loveme1

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Jeremiah 44

15Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, 16As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. 17But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?



Something to consider
 

Magenta

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Than why some people pray to Mary and get help?
Some people pray to Mary because the Roman Catholic church
has deceived them. Jesus' instructions were to pray to the Father.

The RCC has made it mandatory for Catholics to believe that Mary
did not die.
It is one of what are called their ex cathedra dogmas,
declared by Pope Pius XII in 1950. They believe she
was bodily assumed to heaven and
intercedes for them,
when there is absolutely zero Scriptural evidence for this.

The RCC has long taught error. For instance, Pope Boniface VIII,
in the Bull Unam Sanctam of 1302, declared that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject
to the Roman Pontiff. This is blatantly false.

Subsequent to that, Pope Eugene IV, in the Bull Cantate Domino
of 1441, declared: “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes,
professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the
Catholic Church... can have a share in life eternal; but that they
will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and
his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her..."


 
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joefizz

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But Some people get help when they pray to Mary.
well satan can"help" as you put it through any idol,but his "help" requires something "wicked" in return such as children sacrifice or doing wrong by God,mary's name is just used by satan to divide God's followers,she did nothing to deserve such terrible use of her name,and if she were here she would tell people to focus on Jesus not herself in any wise because she like the disciples was one of Jesus's devout followers don't let such things trouble you,focus upon Jesus/God for he answers prayers without requiring anything in return and holds power that satan has not,the power over sin as well as the power to heal wholly,pray only to God/Jesus and leave mary be.
 

Magenta

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The idolatry of Mary within the Roman Catholic church is disturbing to anyone with a love for the purity and truth of God's revealed written Word. There is simply no way around this, but we get Catholic apologists coming to this site and lying about what Catholics are taught and instructed to do. Praying to Mary borders on blasphemy, for it denies the work of God through Christ. Jesus is our mediator and intercessor, not Mary. Nowhere in Scripture are we instructed to pray to people who have died, but they have thousands of dead people they pray to against the clear instructions of Jesus in the Bible.
 

loveme1

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well satan can"help" as you put it through any idol,but his "help" requires something "wicked" in return such as children sacrifice or doing wrong by God,mary's name is just used by satan to divide God's followers,she did nothing to deserve such terrible use of her name,and if she were here she would tell people to focus on Jesus not herself in any wise because she like the disciples was one of Jesus's devout followers don't let such things trouble you,focus upon Jesus/God for he answers prayers without requiring anything in return and holds power that satan has not,the power over sin as well as the power to heal wholly,pray only to God/Jesus and leave mary be.
well said.
 

Jackson123

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People believe they get money because they have a little statue of some strange looking large man on their side board..

Others will dance and believe the dance caused the rain to fall...

Our Father knows what we need before we ask.... we know we need not be repetitive...

focus on the Light and wonder not after other gods.. some will have you burn your children to them.
so they just believe get help but is not?

there is a man, testified heal from cancer after pray to Mary.
 

Jackson123

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Some people pray to Mary because the Roman Catholic church
has deceived them. Jesus' instructions were to pray to the Father.

The RCC has made it mandatory for Catholics to believe that Mary
did not die.
It is one of what are called their ex cathedra dogmas,
declared by Pope Pius XII in 1950. They believe she
was bodily assumed to heaven and
intercedes for them,
when there is absolutely zero Scriptural evidence for this.

The RCC has long taught error. For instance, Pope Boniface VIII,
in the Bull Unam Sanctam of 1302, declared that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject
to the Roman Pontiff. This is blatantly false.

Subsequent to that, Pope Eugene IV, in the Bull Cantate Domino
of 1441, declared: “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes,
professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the
Catholic Church... can have a share in life eternal; but that they
will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and
his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her..."


Yep It is the doctrine, and some Said the doctrine is prove to be true, they pray to Mary and miracle happen, look what happen in
Lourdes

Lourdes water has become a focus of devotion to the Virgin Mary at Lourdes. Since the supposed apparitions, many people have claimed to have been cured by drinking or bathing in it,[SUP][1][/SUP] and the Lourdes authorities provide it free of charge to any who ask for it.[SUP][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_water[/SUP]
 

loveme1

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so they just believe get help but is not?

there is a man, testified heal from cancer after pray to Mary.
Look what was said in Jeremiah 44 that I posted above...

what if the man was always going to recover from cancer? Like the rain that falls after the rain dance was going to fall despite the dance...


we can only obey Heavenly Father and Our Lord and Saviour... and praying to Mary is not taught to us but Praying to Heavenly Father.

The evil forces want to over throw GOD and will mask as good to deceive... we have to stay away from idol worship and that is what the Catholic Church is about... Babylonian and all other evil worship did not cease... it masked.
 

Jackson123

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The idolatry of Mary within the Roman Catholic church is disturbing to anyone with a love for the purity and truth of God's revealed written Word. There is simply no way around this, but we get Catholic apologists coming to this site and lying about what Catholics are taught and instructed to do. Praying to Mary borders on blasphemy, for it denies the work of God through Christ. Jesus is our mediator and intercessor, not Mary. Nowhere in Scripture are we instructed to pray to people who have died, but they have thousands of dead people they pray to against the clear instructions of Jesus in the Bible.
basically they worship the devil.
 

Jackson123

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Look what was said in Jeremiah 44 that I posted above...

what if the man was always going to recover from cancer? Like the rain that falls after the rain dance was going to fall despite the dance...


we can only obey Heavenly Father and Our Lord and Saviour... and praying to Mary is not taught to us but Praying to Heavenly Father.

The evil forces want to over throw GOD and will mask as good to deceive... we have to stay away from idol worship and that is what the Catholic Church is about... Babylonian and all other evil worship did not cease... it masked.
so you going to say pray to Mary is pray to the Devil?

Pope pray to Mary, mean Pope pray to the Devil
 

Magenta

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basically they worship the devil.
They are caught in idolatry and told it is truth, being threatened with everlasting torture and torment if they do not believe what they are told. The Roman Catholic church has used threats and intimidation to rule the unenlightened masses for many centuries.
 
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joefizz

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so they just believe get help but is not?

there is a man, testified heal from cancer after pray to Mary.
such a thing is not surprising as it is written in the bible,"there will be false prophets whom do false miracles from their own power,be not deceived" such a thing applies to what you say of "a healing" of cancer,it's not impossible for people or satan to do what is called witchcraft or laying on of hands for healing what makes the difference is which is "right" God tells in his word that witchcraft is "forbidden" and "laying on of hands" without doing so through God is opposite to God's will,for those who do so believe upon things of themselves as well as their "own" power,leading them to doubt God or worse yet believe themselves or objects to be Gods,which is why God is against such things.
 

Jackson123

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well satan can"help" as you put it through any idol,but his "help" requires something "wicked" in return such as children sacrifice or doing wrong by God,mary's name is just used by satan to divide God's followers,she did nothing to deserve such terrible use of her name,and if she were here she would tell people to focus on Jesus not herself in any wise because she like the disciples was one of Jesus's devout followers don't let such things trouble you,focus upon Jesus/God for he answers prayers without requiring anything in return and holds power that satan has not,the power over sin as well as the power to heal wholly,pray only to God/Jesus and leave mary be.
in other word satan pretend to be Mary help people WHO pray to him.

And some people think they pray to Mary, not To Satan. I have some friend that learn to be healer and able to perform miracle, they memori es mantra and do fa Sting. They tink they pray to God, they do not know that they pray to the devil
 

loveme1

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Just a thought but:

Revelation 13

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.