Is pray to Mary = pray to the devil

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Magenta

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Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother,
His brother, His sister. Jesus never elevated Mary above others,
but Roman Catholics feel a need to not just elevate Mary above
others, but they put her on a par with Jesus in terms of His
sinlessness, (do you really think that she needed to be sinless
so that Jesus Christ could be sinless?). They are forced by
so-called infallible papal decree to accept the Marian dogmas
of her bodily assumption and immaculate conception, neither
of which have any basis whatsoever in Scripture.

Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven, yet they pray to Mary, because
their popes tell them to despite what Jesus explicitly instructed. Scripture
clearly states that there is one intercessor between God and man, yet their
popes, bishops, priests, parishioners etc, will tell you to pray to Mary, and
other dead people, for intercession. They fault those who do as Jesus instructed,
while they disobey Him to follow someone else instead.

We see nothing in Scripture to endorse her bodily assumption, her perpetual virginity
(Jesus had siblings after all, two of whom have books in the Bible!), her immaculate
conception. We see no need to pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead as she is
believed to be, to intercede on our behalf against the explicit words of Jesus in Scripture.

Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which
Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates
in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the
intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through
Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. Scripture also tells us not
to call anyone Father but God, while they call many men "father" and blindly
follow them.

Roman Catholics believe that a fallible man is the Rock that Jesus is building
His Church on, not a confession of faith divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit of God,
despite a plethora of Scriptures that attest to the fact that God is the sole Rock
of our salvation. They teach purgatory, and many other things neither the apostles
nor Jesus ever taught. For instance, they claim priests must be celibate, when they
were not in the early church. Another example would be infant baptism, nowhere
prom
oted in Scripture. They burned people at the stake for daring to read the Bible,
which is what Scripture tells us to do. Despite all this, and more, the
Catholic Church
considers herself the only valid expression of the community of God.


Question: "Are Catholic beliefs and practices biblical?"

http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Catholicism's Ever-Changing Doctrine
 

Jackson123

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#22
such a thing is not surprising as it is written in the bible,"there will be false prophets whom do false miracles from their own power,be not deceived" such a thing applies to what you say of "a healing" of cancer,it's not impossible for people or satan to do what is called witchcraft or laying on of hands for healing what makes the difference is which is "right" God tells in his word that witchcraft is "forbidden" and "laying on of hands" without doing so through God is opposite to God's will,for those who do so believe upon things of themselves as well as their "own" power,leading them to doubt God or worse yet believe themselves or objects to be Gods,which is why God is against such things.

That we need to talk here, because after we debate for long time, some of our love one still don't know that pray to Mary is pray to the devil. The fact that they heal after pray to Mary is not evident that Mary hear they pray and Mary has a power to heal.
 
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joefizz

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#23
in other word satan pretend to be Mary help people WHO pray to him.

And some people think they pray to Mary, not To Satan. I have some friend that learn to be healer and able to perform miracle, they memori es mantra and do fa Sting. They tink they pray to God, they do not know that they pray to the devil
yes that is correct.
 
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joefizz

Guest
#24
Just a thought but:

Revelation 13

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
you do realize that revelation is probably the most "tough" part of the bible to understand,you may want to save this for after this person has gotten more of a grasp on the bible,no offense just saying.(even I have a hard time with it)
 
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joefizz

Guest
#25
Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother,
His brother, His sister. Jesus never elevated Mary above others,
but Roman Catholics feel a need to not just elevate Mary above
others, but they put her on a par with Jesus in terms of His
sinlessness, (do you really think that she needed to be sinless
so that Jesus Christ could be sinless?). They are forced by
so-called infallible papal decree to accept the Marian dogmas
of her bodily assumption and immaculate conception, neither
of which have any basis whatsoever in Scripture.

Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven, yet they pray to Mary, because
their popes tell them to despite what Jesus explicitly instructed. Scripture
clearly states that there is one intercessor between God and man, yet their
popes, bishops, priests, parishioners etc, will tell you to pray to Mary, and
other dead people, for intercession. They fault those who do as Jesus instructed,
while they disobey Him to follow someone else instead.

We see nothing in Scripture to endorse her bodily assumption, her perpetual virginity
(Jesus had siblings after all, two of whom have books in the Bible!), her immaculate
conception. We see no need to pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead as she is
believed to be, to intercede on our behalf against the explicit words of Jesus in Scripture.

Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which
Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates
in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the
intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through
Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. Scripture also tells us not
to call anyone Father but God, while they call many men "father" and blindly
follow them.

Roman Catholics believe that a fallible man is the Rock that Jesus is building
His Church on, not a confession of faith divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit of God,
despite a plethora of Scriptures that attest to the fact that God is the sole Rock
of our salvation. They teach purgatory, and many other things neither the apostles
nor Jesus ever taught. For instance, they claim priests must be celibate, when they
were not in the early church. Another example would be infant baptism, nowhere
prom
oted in Scripture. They burned people at the stake for daring to read the Bible,
which is what Scripture tells us to do. Despite all this, and more, the
Catholic Church
considers herself the only valid expression of the community of God.


Question: "Are Catholic beliefs and practices biblical?"

http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Catholicism's Ever-Changing Doctrine
what do you mean burning people at the stake for daring to read the bible is what scriptures tell us to do?
you lose me everytime with that...
 

valiant

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Mar 22, 2015
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#26
what do you mean burning people at the stake for daring to read the bible is what scriptures tell us to do?
you lose me everytime with that...
Magenta meant that the Scripture tells us to read the Bible, but the Roman Catholic church burnt them at the stake for doing so :)
 
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Magenta

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#27
what do you mean burning people at the stake for daring to read the bible is what scriptures tell us to do?
you lose me everytime with that...
We are told to rightly handle the Word, which was written for our instruction; the RCC forbade the reading of Scripture.
 
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joefizz

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#28
We are told to rightly handle the Word, which was written for our instruction; the RCC forbade the reading of Scripture.
ok your words were rather confusing thank you for clarifying.
 

Magenta

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#29
ok your words were rather confusing thank you for clarifying.
You are welcome :) Do you have a suggestion for how I could make it less confusing?
 
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joefizz

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You are welcome :) Do you have a suggestion for how I could make it less confusing?
perhaps this...
The Roman Catholics burned devout Christians at stakes for doing what God intended for Christians to do,read the bible.
 

Magenta

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perhaps this...
The Roman Catholics burned devout Christians at stakes for doing what God intended for Christians to do,read the bible.
That sounds good, thank you, Joseph :) I will try in future to be more clear on that point :D
 
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joefizz

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That sounds good, thank you, Joseph :) I will try in future to be more clear on that point :D
it happens to everybody lol,some people think my username is from a soda lol,many things can be confusing lol!
 
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Praying to Mary is idolatry....end of story! Like Magenta posted, there is but 1 (one) mediator between God and men....

Jesus plus anyone = more than 1
 

p_rehbein

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It isn't praying to the devil, but it does about as much good as praying to the devil. People who pray to Mary, were taught so, in their hearts think they are doing the right thing. No need to demonize them, educate them!

There are a whole lotta Protestants who practice incorrect Theology, are they doing so "to the devil?"
 

mailmandan

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Just for Catholics
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The Rosary

Question: I was taught that the rosary is scriptural because all 15 mysteries tell about the life of Christ. The "hail Mary" (the first part anyway) is taken directly from the Bible. Your thoughts?

Answer: Consider first of all, the form of the rosary. It is 10 repetitions of the 'Hail Mary' for five times. What did our Lord say about repetitious prayer? "When you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words" (Matthew 6:6,7). Prayer is the spontaneous expression of the heart before God - of praise and thanksgiving, confession and petition. Repeating the same prayer over and over again tends to dull the mind. Such repetitions are vain and pagan.

Secondly, and more importantly, note that Jesus told us to address our prayer to God. "Pray to your Father." There is no example or permission in the whole Bible of Christians praying to anyone except God. And for a good reason. God is able to hear our prayers from heaven (there must be thousands of people praying at this very moment), because He knows all things. "whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone...then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know - for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men" (1 Kings 8:38,39). God knows our heart and He hears our prayer. But Mary is not God. She is a finite human being. She does not know the hearts of all people. God alone knows them. "For You ALONE know the hearts of all the sons of men."

Thirdly, when Catholics pray to Mary: "Pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death," they are placing their trust for salvation in the hands of a creature, rather in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Mary herself did not do so because she acknowledged God as her Savior (Luke 1:47). The Catholic Catechism explains the significance of the 'Hail Mary': 'Our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender the hour of our death wholly to her care' (paragraph 2677). Please find Act 7:59 in your Bible and read about a Christian at the very moment before his death. To whose care did he commit his spirit before he died? And then ask yourself, to whom am I surrendering the hour of my death - to Mary (a saved creature) or to the Lord Jesus (our God and Savior)? - The Rosary
 

Jackson123

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It isn't praying to the devil, but it does about as much good as praying to the devil. People who pray to Mary, were taught so, in their hearts think they are doing the right thing. No need to demonize them, educate them!

There are a whole lotta Protestants who practice incorrect Theology, are they doing so "to the devil?"
Some of them Said they heal after pray to Mary. WHO heal them? I believe Devil heal them, It mean they pray to the Devil.

Some protestant may have wrong theology, but they are not pray to the Devil. Wrong theology do not always mean pray to the DEVIL
 

Jackson123

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They DON'T get help by praying to Mary. Mary is dead and cannot hear nor answer our prayers..
YEP, Mary can not help them, Devil pretend to be Mary, some time help them, to make them believe in pray to Mary.
 

p_rehbein

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Some of them Said they heal after pray to Mary. WHO heal them? I believe Devil heal them, It mean they pray to the Devil.

Some protestant may have wrong theology, but they are not pray to the Devil. Wrong theology do not always mean pray to the DEVIL
 

p_rehbein

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All them Protestants on TV who claim to have been healed by Benny whatzhisname and other such guys......are they praying to the devil? Um, well, hmm.........wait........lessee