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AbigailZeke

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Nehemiah6 said:
Well since I quoted "all spiritual blessings" then that is exactly correct. Materials blessings may or may not come, and Paul gives us a list of all of his sufferings. All the apostles suffered and many were martyred. The Prosperity Gospel goes against this, but Scripture says that believers will suffer with Christ so that they may reign with Him.
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Ah I missed that part. This is another perspective that I failed to consider. What you're saying basically, is that all of God's spiritual blessings are unconditional, but the non-spiritual are conditional. This is interesting indeed. As for the apostles having suffered and martyred, Hebrews mentioned that they were "refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection." I do believe that, had they asked to be delivered, they would have. Or quite possibly, they were offered a way out.
 
AbigailZeke

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Desertsrose said:
Hi Abigail,


I think it really depends on what you're referring to. Jesus said that he sends the rain and sunshine even on unbelievers so there's no condition for some blessings.


I would have to say that everything is conditioned. Here are a few examples below.


Ephesians 6:2 - Condition is honor parents
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.


Philippians 4:6, 7 - Condition is don't worry
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.


James 4:3 - Condition is pure motives
You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.


Matthew 6:17, 18 - Conditioned upon secrecy
But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face so that your fasting will not be noticed by men, but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.


Matthew 6:33 - Conditioned upon seeking first His kingdom and His righteousness
But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.


James 1:25 - Conditioned on obedience
But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.


Jesus also said if you want to be called His friend that you must obey Him. Most everything is conditioned on love, faith and obedience.


John 15:10, 11
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.
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These are really great points. I guess, from my perspective, all these conditions you've mentioned, at least from what I understand are fruits of faith. So, technically, it's conditional, but the way I see it, as I don't consider 'faith' as a condition, you and I both believe it's unconditional. :)
 
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AbigailZeke said:
These are really great points. I guess, from my perspective, all these conditions you've mentioned, at least from what I understand are fruits of faith. So, technically, it's conditional, but the way I see it, as I don't consider 'faith' as a condition, you and I both believe it's unconditional. :)
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No, sorry Abigail, God's blessings are conditional.


If I continue to walk in worry, I won't have God's peace.


God won't answer my prayers if they are selfishly motivated.


I am blessed in the Lord if I'm obedient.


I must first seek God's kingdom and His righteousness.


We won't have the joy of the Lord if we're walking in disobedience.


You see, there's a condition. True love obeys, true faith obeys. It's in obedience that the fountain of blessings flow from.


Blessings ARE conditional........sorry, but I just can't agree with you.
 
AbigailZeke

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Desertsrose said:
No, sorry Abigail, God's blessings are conditional.


If I continue to walk in worry, I won't have God's peace.


God won't answer my prayers if they are selfishly motivated.


I am blessed in the Lord if I'm obedient.


I must first seek God's kingdom and His righteousness.


We won't have the joy of the Lord if we're walking in disobedience.


You see, there's a condition. True love obeys, true faith obeys. It's in obedience that the fountain of blessings flow from.


Blessings ARE conditional........sorry, but I just can't agree with you.
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I understand. To me, all these conditions are impossible without faith. And with faith, all these come out naturally, so I count them one with faith. Agree to disagree.
 
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Desertsrose said:
No, sorry Abigail, God's blessings are conditional.


If I continue to walk in worry, I won't have God's peace.


God won't answer my prayers if they are selfishly motivated.


I am blessed in the Lord if I'm obedient.


I must first seek God's kingdom and His righteousness.


We won't have the joy of the Lord if we're walking in disobedience.


You see, there's a condition. True love obeys, true faith obeys. It's in obedience that the fountain of blessings flow from.


Blessings ARE conditional........sorry, but I just can't agree with you.
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Yeah, what she said.
 
stonesoffire

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I disagree. The NT says the blessing of Abraham is the Spirit. The Spirit given is our inheritance. Freely. No conditions, but grace given within us...for our hearts are filled with the love of God which itself is given.

It's a new covenant...inheriting blessings from God to His Sons.
 
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Desertsrose said:
Hi Abigail,


I think it really depends on what you're referring to. Jesus said that he sends the rain and sunshine even on unbelievers so there's no condition for some blessings.


I would have to say that everything is conditioned. Here are a few examples below.


Ephesians 6:2 - Condition is honor parents
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.


Philippians 4:6, 7 - Condition is don't worry
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.


James 4:3 - Condition is pure motives
You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.


Matthew 6:17, 18 - Conditioned upon secrecy
But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face so that your fasting will not be noticed by men, but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.


Matthew 6:33 - Conditioned upon seeking first His kingdom and His righteousness
But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.


James 1:25 - Conditioned on obedience
But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.


Jesus also said if you want to be called His friend that you must obey Him. Most everything is conditioned on love, faith and obedience.


John 15:10, 11
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.
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Yes God who is Love has condition within his love. Love is Pateint the first and hardest work, so that then it can be kind therefore it does not take into acount wrongs suffered. It rejoices with His truth according to the same spirit of faith (Christs) as it is written.


God love in unfailing but not without conditions
 
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Luke 6:38 - Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.



Proverbs 16:7 - When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him

it seems some blessings are conditional

but if we are talking from a perspective of a fellow brother or sister in Christ walking with the Holy spirit

the only real condition is Gods will and his timing

Philippians 2:13 - For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
 
AbigailZeke

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stonesoffire said:
I disagree. The NT says the blessing of Abraham is the Spirit. The Spirit given is our inheritance. Freely. No conditions, but grace given within us...for our hearts are filled with the love of God which itself is given.

It's a new covenant...inheriting blessings from God to His Sons.
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This reminds me of one of my favorite verses:

blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin. Romans 4:8

With that mentioned, there is only sin and righteousness, nothing in between. If sin, not necessarily a committed one, but failure to meet conditions, is not counted against us and we still are blessed, then truly God's blessings are unconditional.
 
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AbigailZeke said:
This reminds me of one of my favorite verses:

blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin. Romans 4:8

With that mentioned, there is only sin and righteousness, nothing in between. If sin, not necessarily a committed one, but failure to meet conditions, is not counted against us and we still are blessed, then truly God's blessings are unconditional.
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Amen, because He took the curse of the law upon Himself that we may inherit the blessings.
 
AbigailZeke

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NoNameMcgee said:
Luke 6:38 - Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.



Proverbs 16:7 - When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him

it seems some blessings are conditional

but if we are talking from a perspective of a fellow brother or sister in Christ walking with the Holy spirit

the only real condition is Gods will and his timing

Philippians 2:13 - For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
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Ah this is true. I've only been looking at conditions for man. I failed to remember that it could also be conditional on God's part whether a specific blessing is His will for someone as well as the perfect timing.
 
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AbigailZeke said:
So, technically, it's conditional, but the way I see it, as I don't consider 'faith' as a condition, you and I both believe it's unconditional. :)
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Abigail,
Why would you conclude that faith is NOT a condition when the Bible makes it crystal clear that it is the primary condition? And repentance is the opposite side of that coin.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb 11:6).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Abigail,
Why would you conclude that faith is NOT a condition when the Bible makes it crystal clear that it is the primary condition? And repentance is the opposite side of that coin.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb 11:6).
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I agree. There is no argument there because as far as I know, we all believe that without faith it is impossible to get saved, please God, much less receive God's blessings. So to help everyone minimize the typing, I'm not counting it as part of the conditions. Consider it a 'given'
 
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AbigailZeke said:
These are really great points. I guess, from my perspective, all these conditions you've mentioned, at least from what I understand are fruits of faith. So, technically, it's conditional, but the way I see it, as I don't consider 'faith' as a condition, you and I both believe it's unconditional. :)
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I would offer. Faith(Christ's) not of our own selves is condition on whether or not the Spirit gives us ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. It is a work of God that we can believe Him

The faith of Christ which comes by hearing God, by faith (the hearing of faith) , I believe supersedes all conditions. Without the same spirit of faith (Christ’s) according as it is written we know nothing of His love or plan of salvation. By it we offer our own private interpretations as commentaries of men.

2Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
 
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Desertsrose said:
No, sorry Abigail, God's blessings are conditional.


If I continue to walk in worry, I won't have God's peace.


God won't answer my prayers if they are selfishly motivated.


I am blessed in the Lord if I'm obedient.


I must first seek God's kingdom and His righteousness.


We won't have the joy of the Lord if we're walking in disobedience.


You see, there's a condition. True love obeys, true faith obeys. It's in obedience that the fountain of blessings flow from.


Blessings ARE conditional........sorry, but I just can't agree with you.
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So if God sends me rain water my garden so I can eat, what condition did I meet to allow him to do this, especially since in this scenario I am an unbeliever.
 
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Well.... as many know I am one of the "graciest" people here. That said I find the more obedient I am the more blessings I receive. That does not mean I think all of God's blessings are conditional, it just means in my walk I get more blessings when I am obedient. I am not talking about material blessings so much as me being more able to hear God and His will for me. Ugh, I can't stand it when people answer like this so I apologize in advance.

Also that doesn't mean God doesn't still bless me when I take back my own will, He has and does. I just get so much more when I am obedient. So....I will say God will bless whomever He decides to bless whenever He decides to bless them....
 
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" For God so loved the world".......that he gave......

While yet sinners he died so that we might live.

Love covers a multitude of sin.

For it rains on the just and the unjust.

Grace..... God's riches at Christ expense is extended to all. All they must do is believe. God is satisfied with the offering that only he could provide. The battle against sin is over....won by Christ....praise God. God compels us with his love for God is love
 
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Faith receives what grace has already provided for because it is all in Christ alone.

In Him - we have redemption, wisdom, righteousness, sanctification - love, grace, life.

All the blessings are already ours because we are in Christ and because of what He has already done.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

We are to fix our hope completely on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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