How Satan is bad for people? He doesn't force us to sin. We sin by our free will. I really don't see any reason why blame Satan for something. He haven't done anything bad for people. I can't blame Satan when I sin, he don't force me to sin. People can tempt/hurt me, so I can blame people. But why blame Satan? We know that he is evil, but how exactly he is evil? I know that he is God's enemy. But, I really don't see how he is an enemy of the people. All evil on earth is caused by people not Satan.
Why Satan is bad?
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Satan isn't like a blunt force, it's more like a subtle manipulation. God didn't give us a spirit of fear, so who did? Satan. Because of Satan's influence over us, we are DECEIVED, not forced, but DECEIVED into sinning. When your gut feeling tells you not to do something, Satan is that little voice in the back of your head saying, no it's okay, really, where in the Bible does it say it's not wrong to do THIS, at least not once, c'mon, do it. Even when we know we shouldn't. He's a manipulator, and so we can't blame our sin on him, we choose to allow ourselves to be manipulated, but he is still bad because he tries to pulls us from God.
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1 Peter 5 (NKJ)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
That's right.
How he may devour us? Or pull us from God? He can't control people. Maybe he gives us some evil thoughts( I'm not sure about this), but if he does I don't see anything criminal here. We don't have to follow it. We have a choice to reject them.
It's like someone offers you to buy his product. You can't blame that person for offering it to you. Because he doesn't force you to buy it. He just gives you an opportunity to buy it. You can't say that he is bad for giving you an opportunity to choose something.
How he may devour us? Or pull us from God? He can't control people. Maybe he gives us some evil thoughts( I'm not sure about this), but if he does I don't see anything criminal here. We don't have to follow it. We have a choice to reject them.
It's like someone offers you to buy his product. You can't blame that person for offering it to you. Because he doesn't force you to buy it. He just gives you an opportunity to buy it. You can't say that he is bad for giving you an opportunity to choose something.
During his ministry, while here on earth, Jesus repeatedly referred to the Devil in very real terms, indicating he was a real person. (See, for example, John 8:44, 14:30)
OK. Since these accounts point to a real person, Satan, a mighty spirit creature from the heavenly realm, wouldn't God have had to create him? The answer is Yes, and No. God created all the spirit creatures of the heavenly realm, and not just mankind and the animals on the earth below. As in the case of the earthly creatures, the creation of the heavenly spirits had represented perfect activity. However, God did not choose to create either humans or the spirits automotons, but rather as creatures possessing free will, who could choose to do right, or who could choose to do wrong. Among the angels, most remained faithful, but some, chose to do wrong. By doing this, one mighty spirit creature made himself the Devil, according to the scriptural pattern set at James 1:14, 15,
“But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.”
Yes, that spirit creature, seeing the handiwork of God, apparently came to desire the worship God was receiving from his obedient creation. He allowed such improper longing to entice him to come to earth and set in motion things leading to sin and death.
So the Devil is very real, and he is active yet. He has not been destroyed, and he continues possessing the same evil desires he has had from the beginning of his course. If the Devil is real and exists, some might reason, why doesn't he tell us so and why doesn't he openly reveal himself? It does not further his ends to do so. In fact, he doesn't really want mankind in general to know he exists, so he can be actively engaging in his activities in the background. How do we know this? Consider this: when he appeared to Eve in the Garden of Eden, did he reveal himself to her? Not at all. He took on the guise of a talking serpent.
He uses the same modus operandum today, of hiding his existence and his identity. Thus, 2 Corinthians 11:13 – 15 reveals of Satan and his human ministers,
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.”
OK. Since these accounts point to a real person, Satan, a mighty spirit creature from the heavenly realm, wouldn't God have had to create him? The answer is Yes, and No. God created all the spirit creatures of the heavenly realm, and not just mankind and the animals on the earth below. As in the case of the earthly creatures, the creation of the heavenly spirits had represented perfect activity. However, God did not choose to create either humans or the spirits automotons, but rather as creatures possessing free will, who could choose to do right, or who could choose to do wrong. Among the angels, most remained faithful, but some, chose to do wrong. By doing this, one mighty spirit creature made himself the Devil, according to the scriptural pattern set at James 1:14, 15,
“But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.”
Yes, that spirit creature, seeing the handiwork of God, apparently came to desire the worship God was receiving from his obedient creation. He allowed such improper longing to entice him to come to earth and set in motion things leading to sin and death.
So the Devil is very real, and he is active yet. He has not been destroyed, and he continues possessing the same evil desires he has had from the beginning of his course. If the Devil is real and exists, some might reason, why doesn't he tell us so and why doesn't he openly reveal himself? It does not further his ends to do so. In fact, he doesn't really want mankind in general to know he exists, so he can be actively engaging in his activities in the background. How do we know this? Consider this: when he appeared to Eve in the Garden of Eden, did he reveal himself to her? Not at all. He took on the guise of a talking serpent.
He uses the same modus operandum today, of hiding his existence and his identity. Thus, 2 Corinthians 11:13 – 15 reveals of Satan and his human ministers,
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.”
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I always find it interesting to look for what the 2 religions have in common, and after reading this thread it remembered me of a verse.
note that, Allah = The One and Only God (in arabic language)
[Quran 14: 22-27]
And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
And those who believed and did righteous deeds will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein by permission of their Lord; and their greeting therein will be, "Peace!"
Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, [making] a good word like a good tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches [high] in the sky?
It produces its fruit all the time, by permission of its Lord. And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded.
And the example of a bad word is like a bad tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any stability.
Allah keeps firm those who believe, with the firm word, in worldly life and in the Hereafter.
note that, Allah = The One and Only God (in arabic language)
[Quran 14: 22-27]
And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
And those who believed and did righteous deeds will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein by permission of their Lord; and their greeting therein will be, "Peace!"
Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, [making] a good word like a good tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches [high] in the sky?
It produces its fruit all the time, by permission of its Lord. And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded.
And the example of a bad word is like a bad tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any stability.
Allah keeps firm those who believe, with the firm word, in worldly life and in the Hereafter.
You sound like a Christian that does not Understand the Universal Charges against The ONE already Judged & Sentenced; Pre- Meditated Murder,Rape & Adultry and of course Child Abuse! When you come to realize that satan is the ONE responsible for Every Rotten Thing that goes on down here,Hopefully then you will lose this sort of compassion you seem to have towards him.Personally I HATE HIM TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love & Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
Love & Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
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I don't think kostik has "compassion" for Satan, probably just wondering why people shift responsibility for their actions.
People are against Satan because, he brought sin into the world, which causes many people pain and suffering.
He knows of his ultimate fate, so he tries to bring as many of God's children as possible with him, through temptation.
If we resist his temptations, the Devil has no power over us and the world will be without sin.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world
Satan can't FORCE people to commit sinful actions,
Satan is '' The Evil Whisperer ''
I have a video that I often watch, in order to not FORGET that Satan is REAL, a REAL ENEMY for Us :
YouTube - Satan - Message just for you ! Shaytan Series
Disclaimer: I am a muslim, but Satan is our common enemy, our REAL enemy and he possesses the same attributes both according to Bible and Quran. So if you want to know what I do, when I have evil thoughts that comes to my mind, I simply call to God ... In the Name of God, The Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful ... and then pray and seek protection of God ... Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind, The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,The God of Mankind,- From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,- Among jinns (creatures) and among men.
and It make me feel better, less tempted, sometimes I have to repeat the previous prayer 2 or 3 times in a row in order to chase the evil thoughts Satan tries to put in my mind.
Satan Will perish ... He will abide in Hell ... and until the Judgement Day ... he will do what he does best, mislead and corrupt.
His motives : Jealousy, Envy and Pride ... because he once had the opportunity to abide in Heaven and will not Allow or Tolerate a creature made by CLAY (Adam and the children's of Adam) to stay (as for Adam) or to have access to Paradise !
Jealousy, Pride and Envy (the desire that a person feels for the destruction or removal of a blessing that another person has – a destruction which the bearer of this feeling would himself carry out if he had the power to. )
Is there a special prayer you say when you feel the presence of Satan around you ... ?
Peace
Satan is '' The Evil Whisperer ''
I have a video that I often watch, in order to not FORGET that Satan is REAL, a REAL ENEMY for Us :
YouTube - Satan - Message just for you ! Shaytan Series
Disclaimer: I am a muslim, but Satan is our common enemy, our REAL enemy and he possesses the same attributes both according to Bible and Quran. So if you want to know what I do, when I have evil thoughts that comes to my mind, I simply call to God ... In the Name of God, The Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful ... and then pray and seek protection of God ... Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind, The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,The God of Mankind,- From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,- Among jinns (creatures) and among men.
and It make me feel better, less tempted, sometimes I have to repeat the previous prayer 2 or 3 times in a row in order to chase the evil thoughts Satan tries to put in my mind.
Satan Will perish ... He will abide in Hell ... and until the Judgement Day ... he will do what he does best, mislead and corrupt.
His motives : Jealousy, Envy and Pride ... because he once had the opportunity to abide in Heaven and will not Allow or Tolerate a creature made by CLAY (Adam and the children's of Adam) to stay (as for Adam) or to have access to Paradise !
Jealousy, Pride and Envy (the desire that a person feels for the destruction or removal of a blessing that another person has – a destruction which the bearer of this feeling would himself carry out if he had the power to. )
Is there a special prayer you say when you feel the presence of Satan around you ... ?
Peace
He didn't lie.
“You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.”
We don't die, our souls never die(unfortunately). And we are like God know good and bad. We know what is Good and What is bad(Yes, we do), like God. So, i don't see any lie in his words. He didn't say that we will be Just like God in everything(but only knowing good and bad).
“You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.”
We don't die, our souls never die(unfortunately). And we are like God know good and bad. We know what is Good and What is bad(Yes, we do), like God. So, i don't see any lie in his words. He didn't say that we will be Just like God in everything(but only knowing good and bad).
Then God is the liar, because when He told them not to eat of the tree He said if they did, they would surely die. And then, because they knew good from evil, God banned them from the garden lest they eat of the tree of life and live forever. We tend to think that life has to do with the flesh. It does not. Life has to do with being known by God.
Jeses said that the devil is the originator of "the lie."
Jeses said that the devil is the originator of "the lie."
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I agree with VW, then God lied if one believes that Satan did not.....the thing is they did die, not as we might think where suddenly they dropped dead. God purposed Adam and Eve to live for ever but when they sinned they in effect separated themselves from God and that was the start of their death, their bodies became corrupt as God was no longer with them. Yes our souls live forever, but Adam and Eve where not just souls, they had physical bodies which God created perfection, but when they sinned that perfection became imperfection and started to die...just as God said.