ALL THAT I HAVE IS YOURS....

Angela53510 · Oct 22, 2017

First, I hope people understand that arguing about the relative unmerits of this post are not going to stop this onslaught of bad to actually heretical posts. Please report her, and hopefully one day the mods will live up to their stickie about no hypergrace in the BDF.

More specifically, what does the Bible actually say about this issue? Not just the random egocentric eisgesis that Joseph Prince loves to engage in.

Unless I am wrong, this ridiculous post by Joanie-Marie is saying, we do not have to obey God and serve him, and we will be blessed anyway? So, here are a few of the many verses I found.

Thoughts
"We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ," 2 Cor. 10:5

And one on the absolute importance of obedience, as Saul found out and died and his whole family was wiped out. (I can just here JM saying this is OT! Nope, this is Bible!
"Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22

"Therefore, get your minds ready for action by being fully sober, and set your hope completely on the grace that will be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14 Like obedient children, do not comply with the evil urges you used to follow in your ignorance, 15 but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, 16 for it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy." 1 Peter 1:13-16

"Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness" Romans 6:16-18

And there is the definitive verse:
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." John 14:15

So, is the Parable really saying that the elder son was wrong to obey his father and serve his commands? Because if that is what this parable is saying, that nullifies all of the verses I have posted above, and many more on the importance of obedience.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim. 4:3

This is just the most vile twisting of the Bible for itching ears, I have heard. It seems innocuous to many, but in fact, it is evil, and damaging to our walk as Christians.

The younger son did maintain his sonship, but he did not "enjoy" his inheritance, but rather wasted it in "reckless" or "foolish" "loose" or "wild" living! (Depending upon your translation - but all the same idea - disobedience to his father and God!)

"Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living." Luke 15:13

This is the trouble with Joseph Prince and pulling verses out of context. In fact, this is not about squandering the gifts God has given you, then getting your cake and eating it too!

It is about the mercy of God! And that the younger son was still loved by his father, in spite of his profligate ways. As for the older son, I do believe he was startled at the way his brother was treated. But not out of jealousy, but because he just wondered why he had been faithful and obedient and never been rewarded.

Of course, he was rewarded! The inheritance his brother squandered was always his!

"My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” Luke 15:31

Yes, they celebrated together his brother's return. It no where says anything to the contrary! Talk about reading into the text something that is not there!

Do me a favour, Joanie-Marie and learn about context. And do start to read the Bible for yourself instead of swallowing hook, line and sinker the lies of this poser!

joaniemarie · Oct 22, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Another post that needs to be read in its entirety to see what was posted about servants vs slaves vs sons and heirs and joint heirs with Christ. I read Romans 8 and love how we are reminded who we are IN Christ now. We no longer strive after the flesh but we walk in the Spirit. As Romans 1:2 says as it explains why we are no longer condemned because we are IN Christ Jesus.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Many believers don't understand the importance of these verses and are still contending in their flesh and missing how all the victory we have can only be won when we walk in the Spirit. We can't combat our flesh with and by our flesh. No. We have to do as the Bible says and walk in the Spirit.

I also love how Romans 8:17 reminds us of our position as sons no longer slaves or servants but sons., heirs and joint heirs with Christ. And I'd encourage those who reposted my posts only in part to read this in full. Romans explains what and who we are now IN Christ.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

And it also explains in the verses before that about who we are IN Christ now. Romans 8:9 beautifully explains our situation now.
[SUP]
9 [/SUP]But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you]. But if anyone does not possess the [Holy] Spirit of Christ, he is none of His [he does not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God].

He who has the Son has life., he who has not the Son of God has not life but the wrath of God abides on them.

Many of these truths need to be studied in light of who we are now. Not what we will be IF. For we are NOW the sons of God because if we have the Son we have life.

This is a repost for you too Angela as you have decided to enter the conversation. I hope you will read the context of my posts instead of inserting a wrong interpretation.

joaniemarie · Oct 22, 2017

joaniemarie said:

I get it Angela., you don't understand grace the same way I or many other believers do and so you accuse us of promoting no obedience to the Lord Jesus whom we love and adore. And unfortunately because you don't understand how I do., you will come and accuse. How sad is that.

The Bible talks about the Good Shepherd and how He takes care of the sheep and THEY FOLLOW HIM. That is our calling Angela. And when we "follow" we will be in obedience in all areas. We have learned the first thing has to be first. And that first thing is to FOLLOW the Good Shepherd of our souls.

The Good Shepherd does not HERD the sheep from behind.... no.. He goes before and LEADS the sheep. He is followed because the sheep know Him and know and are familiar with His voice., they know that He has all the answers to life and Godliness. Where He is there is JOY and health and peace. Here is Psalm 23 and it's not for the dead., but for the living.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
[SUP]
3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.

I also like the application Bible gateway adds on about the Holy Spirit and He is represented by the oil. The infilling of the Holy Spirit is needed each and every day as we walk in this world. We need to be filled daily by the Holy Spirit. We need the rivers of living water Jesus explained about the Holy Spirit in John 7 Those rivers of living water flow in and through us by the HolySpirit. He gives us power from on high to do the work at hand. That infilling is vital to the success of our walk here on earth. Praise the Lord for providing all we need pertaining to life and Godliness!!

Psalm 23:5 It is difficult for those living in a temperate climate to appreciate, but it was customary in hot climates to anoint the body with oil to protect it from excessive perspiration. When mixed with perfume, the oil imparted a delightfully refreshing and invigorating sensation. Athletes anointed their bodies as a matter of course before running a race. As the body, therefore, anointed with oil was refreshed, invigorated, and better fitted for action, so the Lord would anoint His “sheep” with the Holy Spirit, Whom oil symbolizes, to fit them to engage more freely in His service and run in the way He directs—in heavenly fellowship with Him.

Another repost for clarification for you too Angela so you can see in context what is really being said by the OP.

Speak2Me · Oct 22, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

This is one of most insulting and condescending posts on this thread. No one has misquoted you or your preacher idol Joseph Prince. On the other hand your have attempted to paint Christians who expose Prince as something other than genuine Christians who don't understand the meaning of the New Covenant.

Your phony defense of "joy' means nothing if you are prepared to swallow false doctrine hook, line and sinker. So keep posting for the "hard heads" since that indicates a hardening of the heart on you part, and the hardening your spiritual arteries. When people adamantly refuse to see why certain teachings are in fact erroneous, they are blinded to further spiritual truth,. Several Christians have already pointed this out to you, including myself.

I believe you're right, I don't think she can be reached anymore.
Like Angela said, all we can do now is report her for intentionally scattering heresy.

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stonesoffire said:

I was on this site before. I left. And I told why I left, only to be met with a barrage of easy-peasy christianesy Christians insulting me every which way, all because I wouldn't accept the gospel of middle-class American lifestyle as the gospel.

3-4 months later, my husband had his heart attack, and our world fell apart. As soon as I had a little time, I contacted every Christian I knew to pray for him, because he really shouldn't have made it through that first night, and the next 6 weeks didn't get easier.

One of the people I contacted was JesusLives, who posted my prayer request in the Prayer Request forum.

Still not much time to do anything but react to whatever the doctors were telling me, freak out a bit when I had a chance, and deal with the other shoe that dropped -- Dad going off the deep end with his Alzheimer's -- but in between that, I tried rejoining here with my old user name. I didn't know I couldn't, so I kept updating JL while I had those moments of trying.

Two weeks later, I figured out I couldn't and rejoined here. By the time that happened, I was completely, utterly depleted. I couldn't get passed what was going on, and felt utterly useless in trying to encourage others. Despite my stubborn streak, and despite my other gift of discouraging those teaching false-jesus, (which is really the same thing, because I don't like people soft-soaping a false gospel onto naive Christians, so that too is encouraging others), encouragement is a gift God has given me through the years, so feeling helpless on top of helpless. Couldn't help hubby, I tried to console Dad, but there is no way of encouraging him when he know he was being forced to go into an institution, losing his home, but couldn't quite catch why, and I couldn't help others.

Not doing my gift is something like walking out of my house without my keys, my pocketbook, AND my glasses. I can do it, but it makes the whole day tilted.

So, I thought I'd do something for others -- go to the Prayer forum to pray for and encourage others. Mind you, still utterly depleted, but the strangest thing happened -- I could.

But that's the thing, I really couldn't, yet felt God giving me what I needed just to use it immediately for someone else. It felt like running a car on empty, except just enough gas was drizzled into the tank to keep the car going and going. Not my gas -- God at work.

So, no. Really. "Just reckon or agree with it daily," isn't "just," anymore than thinking if I keep reckoning and agreeing, I never have to stop for gas in my car. We aren't the gas. We aren't the ones reigning. God doesn't owe us, if'n we "just" anything. That's the very false-jesus I'm arguing against.

Deplete and God completes. Refuse to deplete and there is no God in your life. There is a false-jesus passing out easy-peasy-Christianesies like that.

What you're teaching is a fake gospel that works for you because hey! Then you don't have to be burdened by another's sorrows, another's problems, or another's inconveniences to your life. I've lived enough life to know that's exactly what fake christians say right before they leave until I get back to an easy life. Fair-weather christianese.

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joaniemarie said:

So many Christians are fixed on their works when it's their identification with Christ that is the actual work.
We have been taught to sweat and stress or it doesn't count. But the Christian way is resting. Because the Bible says there IS A REST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Jesus did the work., we rest in HIS finished work on the cross and we go forward IN Him... not our own righteousness mustered up by our works.

Our righteousness was a gift given at the time of our salvation. We can't become any more righteous than that. The Bible calls this "recon" it to be so. Believe this and walk by grace through faith in this life.

Of course. Because God has us equipped as soldiers to rest. That's what soldiers do, right?

Depleted · Oct 22, 2017

joaniemarie said:

For the same reason they do it to me, or Rose -- we're long winded, and they're pointing out one part of a long post that they disagree with.

Depleted · Oct 22, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Just curious if you've ever noticed this, but the strange thing about you WoFers is one consistency. You balk and balk miserably about how miserable everyone else is before a briefly mention of joyful you are. For being joyful, you guys really like to whine about how miserable everyone else is.

For instance, I'm joyful, you hard headed. Yeah? Really? Complaining about everyone else constantly doesn't inspire me to believe you are joyful.

Depleted · Oct 22, 2017

Angela53510 said:

First, I hope people understand that arguing about the relative unmerits of this post are not going to stop this onslaught of bad to actually heretical posts. Please report her, and hopefully one day the mods will live up to their stickie about no hypergrace in the BDF.

More specifically, what does the Bible actually say about this issue? Not just the random egocentric eisgesis that Joseph Prince loves to engage in.

Unless I am wrong, this ridiculous post by Joanie-Marie is saying, we do not have to obey God and serve him, and we will be blessed anyway? So, here are a few of the many verses I found.

Thoughts
"We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ," 2 Cor. 10:5

And one on the absolute importance of obedience, as Saul found out and died and his whole family was wiped out. (I can just here JM saying this is OT! Nope, this is Bible!
"Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22

"Therefore, get your minds ready for action by being fully sober, and set your hope completely on the grace that will be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14 Like obedient children, do not comply with the evil urges you used to follow in your ignorance, 15 but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, 16 for it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy." 1 Peter 1:13-16

"Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness" Romans 6:16-18

And there is the definitive verse:
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." John 14:15

So, is the Parable really saying that the elder son was wrong to obey his father and serve his commands? Because if that is what this parable is saying, that nullifies all of the verses I have posted above, and many more on the importance of obedience.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim. 4:3

This is just the most vile twisting of the Bible for itching ears, I have heard. It seems innocuous to many, but in fact, it is evil, and damaging to our walk as Christians.

The younger son did maintain his sonship, but he did not "enjoy" his inheritance, but rather wasted it in "reckless" or "foolish" "loose" or "wild" living! (Depending upon your translation - but all the same idea - disobedience to his father and God!)

"Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living." Luke 15:13

This is the trouble with Joseph Prince and pulling verses out of context. In fact, this is not about squandering the gifts God has given you, then getting your cake and eating it too!

It is about the mercy of God! And that the younger son was still loved by his father, in spite of his profligate ways. As for the older son, I do believe he was startled at the way his brother was treated. But not out of jealousy, but because he just wondered why he had been faithful and obedient and never been rewarded.

Of course, he was rewarded! The inheritance his brother squandered was always his!

"My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” Luke 15:31

Yes, they celebrated together his brother's return. It no where says anything to the contrary! Talk about reading into the text something that is not there!

Do me a favour, Joanie-Marie and learn about context. And do start to read the Bible for yourself instead of swallowing hook, line and sinker the lies of this poser!

Angela, you might want to read the sticky about hyper grace. Somehow, the WoFers have convinced CC that Calvinists are hyper gracers.

joaniemarie · Oct 22, 2017

The older son imo didn't have any idea about the true heart of his father. Not for him OR his brother. They had no idea how to REST in the love of their dad. They were tooooo busy looking out for their own lives in their own perceived ideas of who they thought their father was. They certainly had NO JOY and NO REST.

Did the older son want to have a fatted calf to celebrate with his father? (just a question to throw out there to you guys)

Where were the sons in their relationship to their father? I see both striving for their own ideas and missing their Father totally. Because of the Father., both sons had a place., both sons were loved unconditionally but neither one knew it. Just like so many Christians today.

The elder son made a good show of it but he didn't even know he could eat a fatted calf!! What a JERK! Didn't even know he could have had a stinking fatted calf or 2 or 3 or more! What a self important JERK. And then elder son was shocked to see the prodigal son get allllll that stuff when "he" the eldest and most deeeevoottedd son got "nothing"

Again.... a complete JERK acting out on his own false accusations against the Father. Did you guys ever consider that? The son falsely accused his wealthy father of being stingy. But that was not true was it? That eldest son had it all but he totally FAILED to take the blessings the father had for him all the time. AND he accused his father of never so much as giving him a fatted calf.

So hey., you guys can all talk about how great the eldest son was.,,, how his works proved him and how many pats on the back he deserves but I prefer to see myself in his failures and pride and lack of knowing the fathers heart for allllll those years. What a waste!

I wasted many years not taking my Father at His word. I wasted many years running to God on and in my own merits just like the eldest son did and I too was shocked after alllll I did., I couldn't even get a fatted calf to celebrate with me and my friends.

I too was wrong and learned better of it many years later. Today I realize that Jesus is my righteousness and because of Jesus and Jesus alone., I can go to the Father on His behalf and be blessed with alllllllll blessings that Jesus died to give me. And now I do and He has never failed to bless and comfort me in my older age. Too bad I hadn't learned sooner while I was a young woman.

Many Christians like me have only just begun to see the depths of the Father's love for us IN Christ. If you folks have a problem with that., than I think you too should check out the attitude of the older brother and see if there are some similarities. I did and learned from his mistakes and mine.

Angela53510 · Oct 23, 2017

joaniemarie said:

I think you need to look again at my whole post. Perhaps you missed the part where I "Replied With Quote" to your entire OP!

I read it quite thoroughly and debunked it. All your defensive posts and rambling explanations really mean nothing, when the OP has been completely shown to be out of context verses to support his hypergrace nonsense.

Again, you need to study up on context. Then evaluate these poor excuses for a devotional you keep posting!

joaniemarie · Oct 23, 2017

As usual in our dealings here on CC Angela., you have neither debunked or properly discerned me or my posts here on CC or what I believe. Although you believe yourself to have done an awesome job., you have missed again.

stonesoffire · Oct 23, 2017

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I get it Lynn. You have gone through hell and it's affected you greatly. But....I am going to say this and it's not a slam. I care a lot for you. I love your feisty posts.

You are still being affected by your hellish experiences and need healing. You don't know what others here are going through and those who I know have had hell try to even take them out only testify the Cross and blood power of Jesus. For there and only there is our victory.

The life of faith and living in the Spirit, then ruling out of that place is our training as Sons. A soldier on the front lines of battle.

But, one cannot do this until we have first sat down with Jesus in His finished work. Or forever we will be depleted.

Holy Spirit is our refreshing. Does your husband not tell you this? You say he has the baptism and speaks in the Spirit.

Theres no such thing as a fake Christian. We are either born from above, or we are not.

The difference is one will go on in experiences, and another will live one, or even two, but stop there. The third is coming. But, I do believe we need prepared or we will be caught sleeping without oil.

stonesoffire · Oct 23, 2017

Head knowledge is religion. And the wrong tree. That needs cut down by the axe of Holy Spirit so we can freely eat from the tree of life.

The two commandments to the disciples. 1. You must be born again. 2. You must be born of water and Spirit.

Have you (any you) obeyed them both?

Most here have no. 1 down pat. But no. 2. Wait for the power.

So you asked but nothing happened. Faith doesn't work like that. Continue to wait and not fall for a lie.

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joaniemarie said:

This reminds me of my older brother and me when we were kids.

First, he'd hit me while looking the other way.

Then I'd say, "Ouch! Why did you do that?"

He'd hit me again and ask, "Why did I do what?"

"Hit me! And you just did it again."

(Hit again.) "No, I didn't."

"Yes you did."

(Hit.) "Prove it."

"You did it again!"

(Hit.) "I didn't see myself do it, therefore you've proved nothing."

Truthfully, many of us have disproved J. Prince and you over and over again. You're just so busy enjoying your own game, (to the point of reposting your own post multiple times, as if repeating the same junk makes it suddenly true), that what you think is about as accurate as what my brother thought simply because he wasn't looking at what he was doing.

What you're doing is out of love all right, but not out of love for God.

I realize the only one who can prove it to you is God. I pray he is merciful enough to you before falling off the Joseph Prince cliff, because that's a world of hurting, if you believe him long enough to fall off at the point where he no longer can use you.

I respond however, to stop others from joining up with this same crap though.

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stonesoffire said:

You already are sleeping without oil. The problem is you're trying to talk others into sleeping with you.

From Spurgeon:
“Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.” Luke 22:46

When is the Christian most liable to sleep? Is it not when his temporal circumstances are prosperous? Have you not found it so? When you had daily troubles to take to the throne of grace, were you not more wakeful than you are now? Easy roads make sleepy travellers. Another dangerous time is when all goes pleasantly in spiritual matters. Christian went not to sleep when lions were in the way, or when he was wading through the river, or when fighting with Apollyon, but when he had climbed half way up the Hill Difficulty, and came to a delightful arbour, he sat down, and forthwith fell asleep, to his great sorrow and loss. The enchanted ground is a place of balmy breezes, laden with fragrant odours and soft influences, all tending to lull pilgrims to sleep. Remember Bunyan’s description: “Then they came to an arbour, warm, and promising much refreshing to the weary pilgrims; for it was finely wrought above head, beautified with greens, and furnished with benches and settles. It had also in it a soft couch, where the weary might lean.” “The arbour was called the Slothful’s Friend, and was made on purpose to allure, if it might be, some of the pilgrims to take up their rest there when weary.” Depend upon it, it is in easy places that men shut their eyes and wander into the dreamy land of forgetfulness. Old Erskine wisely remarked, “I like a roaring devil better than a sleeping devil.” There is no temptation half so dangerous as not being tempted. The distressed soul does not sleep; it is after we enter into peaceful confidence and full assurance that we are in danger of slumbering. The disciples fell asleep after they had seen Jesus transfigured on the mountain top. Take heed, joyous Christian, good frames are near neighbours to temptations: be as happy as you will, only be watchful.

oldethennew · Oct 23, 2017

soon we will see who is really on God's side,
and
soon we will see who is really riding that
gravy-train of 'old-ladies-purses'...

IamWhoIam · Oct 23, 2017

[video=youtube;ILO2hiHySBw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILO2hiHySBw[/video]

joaniemarie · Oct 23, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

Watched the video but never heard of this artist or the song before. It was a good song but what did it mean?

IamWhoIam · Oct 23, 2017

joaniemarie said:

It is song about finding a purpose in life again, growing, maturing, moving forward, in life there can be fears of stepping out into the unknown, I think we as people we can become sort of resistant to change, sometimes a storm can be terrifying experience but it's in those moments we need to give all we have to God for He will not walk away but help us to stand.

ALL THAT I HAVE IS YOURS....

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