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    he stated not one jot your tittle will be removed from the law till all is perfected. He Jesus perfected all things, when he laid down his life for you. The question is never, about him perfecting, but us believing. He is the perfect one,
    I find the law to be cumbersome and generally a pain in the behind. I am so grateful that the fear of not measuring up is removed forever

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    Good morning my time Snoozy (just woke up). How are you today my friend? Ok let's have a look at what your saying and what God's Word says.........
    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    again: do u make everyone in ur city borders not work on sabbath? no.
    Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    You do know that God's commandments are for His people who are those that choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word and not the World who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word right? So your statement above really makes not sense at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    do u guys sacrifice two lambs (numbers 28:10)? no
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    Num 28:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
    Well snoozy this only shows you have not read the OP here with all the scriptures showing the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in the book for remission of sin which where all Shadows of things to come. If you read the OP you will see many of the scriptures that link the Old and New Testament scriptures showing their fulfillment in Christ.

    For example please show me where it says in God's 4th commandment that we need to sacrifice burnt offering and food and drink offerings? These are all part of the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN that where nailed to the cross that the OP is talking about. Please go read the OP and reply to all the scripture provided if you can. Seems NONE have been able to reply to the OP here. All supporting scriptures found in the OP linked here in..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    do u guys make fire(exodus 35:3) ? yes. if u live in a cold country do u turn off the heat for sabbath? no.
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    Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    Now snoozy you do no the intent of the Sabbath is not to work right? We no longer need to collect sticks on the Sabbath to make a fire (Numbers 15:32-36).

    A FIRE can be used in a cold climate if all the preparation to make and maintain the fire is done before the Sabbath. The scripture focus is NOT about the fire but the WORK involved in making and maintaining and the purpose of the FIRE is to be USED for. If the purpose, making and use of the FIRE is for WORK then it is BREAKING God's 4th commandment. IF however its purpose, making and use is NOT for WORK then it is ok to have a FIRE. The WORK is the focus not the FIRE....

    Exodus 35
    2, SIX DAYS SHALL WORK BE DONE, BUT ON THE SEVENTH DAY THERE SHALL BE TO YOU AN HOLY DAY; A SABBATH OF REST TO THE LORD; whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
    3, Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    v3 is in CONTEXT to v2 in relation to doing WORK on the Sabbath. It is NOT the FIRE that is the problem it is the WORK in relation to MAKING the Fire and the purpose that the FIRE is to be used for because the focus of the Sabbath commandment is to CEASE from WORK and REST as God rested on the 7th Day of creation.

    You make the mistake on focusing on the FIRE but not the Sabbath commandment which is NOT to WORK and to REST. The scripture is about the WORK involved around the purpose, making and maintaining of the fire not the Fire itself.

    In the days of Jesus the Jews by this time had made so many restrictions and man made traditions around the 4th commandment that it had become a burden to God's people. Jesus taught that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath and that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. (context is Matt 12:2; see also Matt 12:10; Mark 2:24; 3:2-4 Luke 6:2; 7-9; 13:10-16 etc.)

    Then in Matt 12:10-12 in the same chapter Jesus goes on to say it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! Jesus came to teach us how to keep the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9) and is why Jesus sa ys that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). Jesus says we should not follow the traditions of the elders. (Mark 7:5-9)

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    do u stone people who dont keep the sabbath in ur city? no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
    What you are referring to here are the civil laws of Moses for Israel before they were overthrown by the Roman Empire. These civil laws included the death penalty for anyone of God's people who were caught willfully breaking God's commandments. These civil laws given to Israel before the cross not only included God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath but most of the other ten commandments.

    What you did not mention above however was that there was similar punishments given to those that openly broke most of God’s Law (10 commandments). For example; Not honoring your mother and farther; death penalty (Lev 20:9), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain; death penalty (Lev 24:10-17), Idolatry; death penalty (Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26), serving other Gods; death penalty (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery; death penalty (2Pet 2:14; John 8:5), evil towards your neighbour; death penalty (Deut 27:15-26) and yes as the 7th Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people were put to death.

    Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses which were shadows of things to come and have been nailed to the cross.

    Well there you go Snoozy, isn't God's Word wonderful? Silly videos are no substitute for God's Word which is sharper then any two edged sword.

    Now that brings us back to the OP which if you read would have already answered most of your post already.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthearted View Post
    Seems that according to your interpretation...and I could be wrong...you said earlier we were to obey the ten commandments and not sin...which is IMPOSSIBLE save but one. One perfect Jesus. So, a statement to try to keep every day Holy and sin free, seemed like something you would agree with? Perhaps you don't see how your statements about old law confuses people just learning to divide the Word....imo...
    And just so I'm not misunderstood...yes we should try to obey the old law because sin is not good for us! But Jesus' blood is a promise of eternal life whether you sin or not as long as you believe!
    Yes you are wrong I did not say the above. If you are trying to OBEY God's LAW you will never be able to because all we can do without HIM is SIN. However if you have FAITH NOTHING shall be impossible to you and when He bids you come you will WALK on water. If you are still in your SINS you do NOT know HIM and need to seek him who LOVES all so you can LOVE as HE has loved you and walking by Faith in His Spirit you WILL NOT fulfill the lusts of the FLESH. You need to be BORN again to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those that WALK by faith and NOT by sight. The IMPOSSIBLE is made POSSIBLE through faith to those that love HIM. Those that LOVE HIM Keep His commandments and follow him in LOVE because Jesus has made them FREE to LOVE indeed.

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    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

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    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)

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    phil36,
    re: "...the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day..."

    And again, nowhere does scripture ever refer to the first day of the week as the Lord'd Day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Good morning my time Snoozy (just woke up). How are you today my friend? Ok let's have a look at what your saying and what God's Word says.........
    You do know that God's commandments are for His people who are those that choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word and not the World who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word right? So your statement above really makes not sense at all.[COLOR=#333333] Well snoozy this only shows you have not read the OP here with all the scriptures showing the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in the book for remission of sin which where all Shadows of things to come. If you read the OP you will see many of the scriptures that link the Old and New Testament scriptures showing their fulfillment in Christ.

    For example please show me where it says in God's 4th commandment that we need to sacrifice burnt offering and food and drink offerings? These are all part of the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN that where nailed to the cross that the OP is talking about. Please go read the OP and reply to all the scripture provided if you can. Seems NONE have been able to reply to the OP here. All supporting scriptures found in the OP linked here in..................

    Post # 1;
    Post # 2;
    Post # 694;


    Now snoozy you do no the intent of the Sabbath is not to work right? We no longer need to collect sticks on the Sabbath to make a fire (Numbers 15:32-36).

    A FIRE can be used in a cold climate if all the preparation to make and maintain the fire is done before the Sabbath. The scripture focus is NOT about the fire but the WORK involved in making and maintaining and the purpose of the FIRE is to be USED for. If the purpose, making and use of the FIRE is for WORK then it is BREAKING God's 4th commandment. IF however its purpose, making and use is NOT for WORK then it is ok to have a FIRE. The WORK is the focus not the FIRE....

    Exodus 35
    2, SIX DAYS SHALL WORK BE DONE, BUT ON THE SEVENTH DAY THERE SHALL BE TO YOU AN HOLY DAY; A SABBATH OF REST TO THE LORD; whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
    3, Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    v3 is in CONTEXT to v2 in relation to doing WORK on the Sabbath. It is NOT the FIRE that is the problem it is the WORK in relation to MAKING the Fire and the purpose that the FIRE is to be used for because the focus of the Sabbath commandment is to CEASE from WORK and REST as God rested on the 7th Day of creation.

    You make the mistake on focusing on the FIRE but not the Sabbath commandment which is NOT to WORK and to REST. The scripture is about the WORK involved around the purpose, making and maintaining of the fire not the Fire itself.

    In the days of Jesus the Jews by this time had made so many restrictions and man made traditions around the 4th commandment that it had become a burden to God's people. Jesus taught that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath and that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. (context is Matt 12:2; see also Matt 12:10; Mark 2:24; 3:2-4 Luke 6:2; 7-9; 13:10-16 etc.)

    Then in Matt 12:10-12 in the same chapter Jesus goes on to say it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! Jesus came to teach us how to keep the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9) and is why Jesus sa ys that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). Jesus says we should not follow the traditions of the elders. (Mark 7:5-9)



    What you are referring to here are the civil laws of Moses for Israel before they were overthrown by the Roman Empire. These civil laws included the death penalty for anyone of God's people who were caught willfully breaking God's commandments. These civil laws given to Israel before the cross not only included God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath but most of the other ten commandments.

    What you did not mention above however was that there was similar punishments given to those that openly broke most of God’s Law (10 commandments). For example; Not honoring your mother and farther; death penalty (Lev 20:9), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain; death penalty (Lev 24:10-17), Idolatry; death penalty (Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26), serving other Gods; death penalty (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery; death penalty (2Pet 2:14; John 8:5), evil towards your neighbour; death penalty (Deut 27:15-26) and yes as the 7th Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people were put to death.

    Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses which were shadows of things to come and have been nailed to the cross.

    Well there you go Snoozy, isn't God's Word wonderful? Silly videos are no substitute for God's Word which is sharper then any two edged sword.

    Now that brings us back to the OP which if you read would have already answered most of your post already.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
    try following the teaching of the New Testament,

    Jesus regularly listed commands from God but He NEVER included the Sabbath law. Nor did anyone else, James included,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    phil36,
    re: "...the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day..."

    And again, nowhere does scripture ever refer to the first day of the week as the Lord'd Day.

    Of course it does... and the early christian church is a witness to the fact.


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    1 Thessalonians 5:21, "but test everything; hold fast what is righteous."


    John 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”

    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

    ------------------------------------

    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
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    Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”



    Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."



    Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”



    Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."



    Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

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    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

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    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
    you have posted this 2 times in a row here and once in another thread, it is not even factual to Scripture, but I will post the same reply from the other thread;

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2)(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.



    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    lets take a look at those Scritures that you claim change the day:

    Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made."

    7th day as spoken by the Creator...

    1 Corinthians 16:1-2, "And concerning the collections for the set-apart ones, you are to do as I gave orders to the assemblies of Galatia: Every day one of the week let each one of you set aside storing up whatever he is prospered, so that there are no collections when I come."

    1st day a day for collection of money...

    Acts 20:7, “On the first day (#G1520 heis) of the week (#G4521 sabbaton), when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”



    “first day” is word #G1520 - heis: one, Original Word: εἷς, μία, ἕν, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: heis, Phonetic Spelling: (hice), Short Definition: one, Definition: one.



    “week” is word #G4521 sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week.

    breaking bread ...sabbaton...

    also they broke brea every day:


    Acts 2:46



    English Standard Version
    And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,



    New American Standard Bible
    Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,



    King James Bible
    And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,



    New International Version
    Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,



    New Living Translation
    They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord's Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity--


    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    you have posted this 2 times in a row here and once in another thread, it is not even factual to Scripture:

    Yes, I thought I would join in on the copy and paste brigade


    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

    ------------------------------------

    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
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    Hello Phil,

    Pointing all to the teachings or man over the Word of God is not a good practice to follow. Only in God's Word is truth and it is there that we must point all so they may find HIM who LOVES ALL so that we may KNOW HIM as HE KNOWS us. Let's have a look at what you have posted and compare it with scripture..............

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!
    Here is the first mistake. You premise for your whole post is that the Sabbath simply means rest and nothing else.
    God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 let's look at both sets of the scripture starting with the 4th commandment..................

    Exodus 20
    8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
    9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11, <WHY> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. <References back to Genesis 2:1-3>

    Some points to note from the scriptures..........

    v8 We are to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY. THE SABBATH IS A DAY it is the 7th day of the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3
    v10 The scripture says the SABBATH is the 7th DAY of the WEEK
    v11
    The reason we are commanded to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK is because this is the day God FINISHED CREATION and rested from all HIS WORK

    Hebrew meaning of SABBATH in Exodus 20:8...........

    H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673] KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673

    So clearly your premise is not correct in the beginning of your post that the Sabbath simply means rest. It is the 7th DAY of the week that we are to rest and cease from WORK according to the 4th commandment scripture which is supported by the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8.

    Let's move to the origin of the Sabbath in Genesis which Exodus 20:11 is referencing.............

    Genesis 2
    1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
    2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
    3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    Some points to note from the scriptures...............

    v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
    v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
    v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
    v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

    Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

    Questions:


    Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
    A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

    Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
    A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with.

    This is where everything in your post falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post also do not support your post. Let's have a look at them. I moved the scriptures used to support each statement next to each statement for easy viewing............

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    So straight of the back here (highlighted) the writer of your post says GOD has appointed ONE DAY in SEVEN for a SABBATH to be kept HOLY unto HIM.

    Now lets look at what God says.....................

    Exodus 20
    8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
    9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:

    God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. GOD DOES NOT ONE DAY IN SEVEN is for a SABBATH! This is what you get pointing people to the teachings of men that break the commandments of GOD. The other scriptures provided only support Exodus 20:8-11 above which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    The writer is NOW claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus changed the 4th commandment which is to keep HOLY the 7TH DAY of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week. Let's look at this claim and the scriptures provided...............

    Well we know right away that Genesis 2:2-3 does not support the writers statement because it is ONLY supporting the 7th DAY of the WEEK which is NOT Sunday the 1st day of the week so that scripture cannot be used in support of a change of day. Lets look at the rest of the scriptures........

    1 Corinthians 16
    1, Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
    2, Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    The chapter is talking about laying in store on the 1st day of the week because Paul was passing through on this time to collect offering for the ministry so he could pick them up on his way through. There is nothing in this whole chapter that says that God's 4th commandment which is the 7th DAY Sabbath has now been changed to Sunday. So once again this scripture does NOT support a Sabbath day change from the 7th Day of the Week to the 1st day.......

    Next scripture used............

    Acts 20
    7,
    And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    The disciples met and many different days of the week for different reasons. This chapter in context is about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day. It say nothing about God's Sabbath being changed from the 7th Day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week! Once again the scripture used does NOT support the claim that God changed His 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week.

    Conclusion: there is not one scripture that is used that can support the writers claim that God's 4th commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday. This is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow it we are NOT following God. (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, (3) Rev 1:10.
    Where does it say in the scriptures that Sunday is "The Lord's Day" Simple fact there is NO scripture that says that Sunday or the 1st day of the week is the Lords Day. What day does God's Word say is "The Lord's Day"? There are a few but only one is needed............

    Matthew 12
    8, For THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

    Conclusion: There is NO scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORDS DAY" God's Word says; "THE LORDS DAY" is the SABBATH DAY!


    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
    Well that scripture is only quoting the 4th commandment and it's continuance which is the 7th DAY of the WEEK not Sunday.

    CONCLUSION: the writer through scripture is building on SAND following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The post as has been shown in this post does not follow God's Word and leads others away from God's WORD. Our only safety is in seeking Jesus for His truth personally. Call upon him and seek Him through HIs Word and he will reveal His Word to you if you with honest heart seek to serve HIM who loves all.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    Seems that did not work out to well for you Phil........ You can only find the truth through God's Word. You will not find it in the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. You only have today to seek HIM who LOVES ALL tomorrow may be to late.
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    Hello Phil,

    Pointing all to the teachings or man over the Word of God is not a good practice to follow. Only in God's Word is truth and it is there that we must point all so they may find HIM who LOVES ALL so that we may KNOW HIM as HE KNOWS us. Let's have a look at what you have posted and compare it with scripture..............



    Here is the first mistake. You premise for your whole post is that the Sabbath simply means rest and nothing else.
    God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 let's look at both sets of the scripture starting with the 4th commandment..................

    Exodus 20
    8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
    9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11, <WHY> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. <References back to Genesis 2:1-3>

    Some points to note from the scriptures..........

    v8 We are to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY. THE SABBATH IS A DAY it is the 7th day of the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3
    v10 The scripture says the SABBATH is the 7th DAY of the WEEK
    v11
    The reason we are commanded to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK is because this is the day God FINISHED CREATION and rested from all HIS WORK

    Hebrew meaning of SABBATH in Exodus 20:8...........

    H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673] KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673

    So clearly your premise is not correct in the beginning of your post that the Sabbath simply means rest. It is the 7th DAY of the week that we are to rest and cease from WORK according to the 4th commandment scripture which is supported by the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8.

    Let's move to the origin of the Sabbath in Genesis which Exodus 20:11 is referencing.............

    Genesis 2
    1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
    2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
    3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    Some points to note from the scriptures...............

    v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
    v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
    v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
    v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

    Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

    Questions:


    Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
    A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

    Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
    A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with.

    This is where everything in your post falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post also do not support your post. Let's have a look at them. I moved the scriptures used to support each statement next to each statement for easy viewing............



    So straight of the back here (highlighted) the writer of your post says GOD has appointed ONE DAY in SEVEN for a SABBATH to be kept HOLY unto HIM.

    Now lets look at what God says.....................

    Exodus 20
    8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
    9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:

    God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. GOD DOES NOT ONE DAY IN SEVEN is for a SABBATH! This is what you get pointing people to the teachings of men that break the commandments of GOD. The other scriptures provided only support Exodus 20:8-11 above which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.



    The writer is NOW claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus changed the 4th commandment which is to keep HOLY the 7TH DAY of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week. Let's look at this claim and the scriptures provided...............

    Well we know right away that Genesis 2:2-3 does not support the writers statement because it is ONLY supporting the 7th DAY of the WEEK which is NOT Sunday the 1st day of the week so that scripture cannot be used in support of a change of day. Lets look at the rest of the scriptures........

    1 Corinthians 16
    1, Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
    2, Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    The chapter is talking about laying in store on the 1st day of the week because Paul was passing through on this time to collect offering for the ministry so he could pick them up on his way through. There is nothing in this whole chapter that says that God's 4th commandment which is the 7th DAY Sabbath has now been changed to Sunday. So once again this scripture does NOT support a Sabbath day change from the 7th Day of the Week to the 1st day.......

    Next scripture used............

    Acts 20
    7,
    And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    The disciples met and many different days of the week for different reasons. This chapter in context is about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day. It say nothing about God's Sabbath being changed from the 7th Day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week! Once again the scripture used does NOT support the claim that God changed His 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week.

    Conclusion: there is not one scripture that is used that can support the writers claim that God's 4th commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday. This is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow it we are NOT following God. (Matthew 15:3-9)



    Where does it say in the scriptures that Sunday is "The Lord's Day" Simple fact there is NO scripture that says that Sunday or the 1st day of the week is the Lords Day. What day does God's Word say is "The Lord's Day"? There are a few but only one is needed............

    Matthew 12
    8, For THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

    Conclusion: There is NO scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORDS DAY" God's Word says; "THE LORDS DAY" is the SABBATH DAY!




    Well that scripture is only quoting the 4th commandment and it's continuance which is the 7th DAY of the WEEK not Sunday.

    CONCLUSION: the writer through scripture is building on SAND following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The post as has been shown in this post does not follow God's Word and leads others away from God's WORD. Our only safety is in seeking Jesus for His truth personally. Call upon him and seek Him through HIs Word and he will reveal His Word to you if you with honest heart seek to serve HIM who loves all.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    Seems that did not work out to well for you Phil........ You can only find the truth through God's Word. You will not find it in the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

    Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

    (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
    (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
    (3) Rev 1:10.
    (4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

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    Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

    (1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
    (2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
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    Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
    Wicked, wicked Paul - Acts 20.7; Col 2.14-17 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
    that verse was used to describe the fourth beast of Daniel's visions. that was not a general statement meant to be plucked out and used however. unless you think one of us is a kingdom. with all the junk that Hebrew roots believes, I would not be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!
    WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
    Ok PHIL,

    I have addressed this post your spamming thoroughly with scripture and refuted it.

    If you do not believe I have then please respond to post # 1014 above.

    If you cannot refute my rebuttal then spamming the same post over and over when it has been clearly shown to be a false teaching will not make it come true.

    If it is not true you should BELIEVE God's WORD because UNBELIEVERS have NO Part in God's Kingdom. As has been shown above...

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you are you seek Him through His Word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Ok PHIL,

    I have addressed this post your spamming thoroughly with scripture and refuted it.

    If you do not believe I have then please respond to post # 1014 above.

    If you cannot refute my rebuttal then spamming the same post over and over when it has been clearly shown to be a false teaching will not make it come true.

    If it is not true you should BELIEVE God's WORD because UNBELIEVERS have NO Part in God's Kingdom. As has been shown above...

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you are you seek Him through His Word...

    Sunday is the 'Lords day'

    Yeah, copy and paste posts can be annoying lovegodforever
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