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Galatians was written to believers who were being told things about the Law and circumcision. so it was written to rebuke judizers . and no comment on chapter 4. wonder why?
and, to your Levitical priesthood comment, once again, keep reading Ephesians 2, Paul says- he ( Jesus ) himself is our peace, who has made us ( jews and gentiles ) both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility, by ABOLISHING THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS expressed in ordinances that he himself may one new man in place of the two so making peace. ( v. 14-15 ).
anything about a priesthood?? no. wrong again studyman.
and, to your Levitical priesthood comment, once again, keep reading Ephesians 2, Paul says- he ( Jesus ) himself is our peace, who has made us ( jews and gentiles ) both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility, by ABOLISHING THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS expressed in ordinances that he himself may one new man in place of the two so making peace. ( v. 14-15 ).
anything about a priesthood?? no. wrong again studyman.
Its pretty convenient that the legalists and judaizers flip flop and waffle between what law is being spoken of when the scripture just refers to it as law.
Why wouldn't the scripture be more specific if the law could, in fact, be separated into parts the way they try to separate it?
Romans 7:14 [FONT="]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
This means the 10 commandments.
Galatians 3:2 [/FONT][FONT="]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[/FONT][FONT="]Supposedly law here means something other than the 10 commandments. Supposedly this is talking about "levitical law".
What about working at the 10 commandments? That is ok? But working at the levitical law is not? It seems to be a really weird conclusion to come to.
This stupid philosophy makes parts of the bible a lie. When the Lord Jesus says come to me and I will give you rest it can't be true if you are still under the law, under the 10 commandments. You are still required to work at the 10 commandments in the philosophy of the judaizers and legalists.
When Paul says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus this can't be true if obedience to the 10 commandments is still what decides whether you are under a blessing or under a curse.
Galatians 3:10-12
[/FONT][FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
This can't be referring to the "levitical law". The "law" of sacrifice was the only part of the law that actually DID require faith. A person had to have faith that it was innocent blood that covered their sins.[/FONT]
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Why wouldn't the scripture be more specific if the law could, in fact, be separated into parts the way they try to separate it?
Romans 7:14 [FONT="]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
This means the 10 commandments.
Galatians 3:2 [/FONT][FONT="]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[/FONT][FONT="]Supposedly law here means something other than the 10 commandments. Supposedly this is talking about "levitical law".
What about working at the 10 commandments? That is ok? But working at the levitical law is not? It seems to be a really weird conclusion to come to.
This stupid philosophy makes parts of the bible a lie. When the Lord Jesus says come to me and I will give you rest it can't be true if you are still under the law, under the 10 commandments. You are still required to work at the 10 commandments in the philosophy of the judaizers and legalists.
When Paul says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus this can't be true if obedience to the 10 commandments is still what decides whether you are under a blessing or under a curse.
Galatians 3:10-12
[/FONT][FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
This can't be referring to the "levitical law". The "law" of sacrifice was the only part of the law that actually DID require faith. A person had to have faith that it was innocent blood that covered their sins.[/FONT]
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They have a few issues,
1, the ministry of death written in stone. Those are the ten commands.
2. When moses demanded the nation confirm and obey every word or they would be under a curse. the ten commands were included in that confirmation. Ie, they were confirming that they would obey all ten (plus the other stuff written up to that time) in perfection, or they understand, they would be cursed.
They want to take the ten out. But they can’t. It is all inclusive, The law is a unified system given to Isreal including the moral/levitical and ceremonial aspects period. You can not seperate them. No jew in Pauls day would have separated them.
1, the ministry of death written in stone. Those are the ten commands.
2. When moses demanded the nation confirm and obey every word or they would be under a curse. the ten commands were included in that confirmation. Ie, they were confirming that they would obey all ten (plus the other stuff written up to that time) in perfection, or they understand, they would be cursed.
They want to take the ten out. But they can’t. It is all inclusive, The law is a unified system given to Isreal including the moral/levitical and ceremonial aspects period. You can not seperate them. No jew in Pauls day would have separated them.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”[/FONT]
"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be![/FONT]"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”[/FONT]
"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be![/FONT]"
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So the ministration of death is not a ministration of death..ok
of course it is not death to paul,. Paul was redeemed from the CURSE OF THE LAW. It can not touch him any more.
The law is good. It is holy it is just. In its purpose. Which as paul said was to expose sin in his life and LEAD HIM TO CHRIST.
Take the law outside its intended purpose. And as paul said, it is not edifying, it causes division, and it does not help.
No you don't understand what is written.
Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
Either you misunderstand Paul or he is adoubee minded man...
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This was written for you ;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]
Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
Either you misunderstand Paul or he is adoubee minded man...
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This was written for you ;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]
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Oh boy.
Yes, The law exposed sin to paul. In doing so. It led paul to christ, in doing so. The curse of the law was taken away from paul.
Now, Paul no longer has to be held by the letter which only gives death, (the flesh) but he can go to the spirit which gives life.
Paul said to Timothy the way to overcome sin was grace mercy and love of God. Not the law
why do you fight it?
Yes, The law exposed sin to paul. In doing so. It led paul to christ, in doing so. The curse of the law was taken away from paul.
Now, Paul no longer has to be held by the letter which only gives death, (the flesh) but he can go to the spirit which gives life.
Paul said to Timothy the way to overcome sin was grace mercy and love of God. Not the law
why do you fight it?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."[/FONT]
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Smh, Do you ever listen to anyone? I sometimes feel like I am talking to walls. Not people.
I am not saying we do not have to keep Gods commands. So please. Stop trying to say that I am..
I am trying to show you HOW GOD tells us we can ove4rcome th empower of sin,
Which is better at keeping me from steeling a cookie? Because Mom layed down the law and said thou shalt not eat this cookie?Or because you love honor and respect your mom, and because of this, you never even think of taking a cookie..
I know the law never helped myself or my kids from steeling Cookies, any more than the command thou shalt not cov et kept me from coveting what other people had.
Thats because no law is able to keep you from sin, All it can do is expose the sinner that he has sinned, so the law can be carried out (if there is no speed limit, the law can not give you a ticket and make you pay a fine, when their is no law. Sin can not be judged, Bt as paul said, the law came, and sin rose and he died. Because the law condemned all sin.
The Bible does separate it, it's just that you can't, because doing so would expose your doctrines and traditions as comeing from man and not from God.
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Tow laws GP.
Yes, this is the law of Faith.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, (Levite appointing a Levite.)but after the power of an endless life.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
This is the Law of Works
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
What Law makes nothing perfect? "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood,"
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Two laws GP, one that Abraham kept, (Law of Faith) and one that was "ADDED" 430 years later(Law of Works) as Paul preaches. (Gal. 3:17)
On the "Law of Works" he says: "28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
On the "law of Faith" he says: Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
There are, once again, two issues here. "Hearing of Faith" and "Works of the Law". The exact same thing Paul said in Romans 3. "Law of Works" vs. "Law of Faith".
Just because some religious franchise owner doesn't talk about this stuff doesn't mean it isn't in the Bible.
Only a mainstream preacher could, with a straight face, preach that the Galatians were suddenly trying to walk in the same Commandments Jesus walked in, and that is why Paul rebuked them.
Wow, so you equate Loving the Lord with all your heart, as the same as killing a goat and sprinkling it's blood on the Alter for the remission of my sins?
Really GP? You really preach that Paul is rebuking the Galatians because they were trying to keep God's Ten Commandments?
Is that the "Work" they are guilty of?
Under the law means dead in my sins. I'm about what the Bible teaches not the Catholic church.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?
Which laws GP? The "Law of Works" or "The Law of Faith".
Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
He left a few out, like the First and greatest Commandment among others, but I think He got his point across, don't you?
He didn't mention the Levites here, or the works of the Levitical Priesthood. Do you preach He meant to?
Once again that is your preaching to be sure. Only a Mainstream Preacher, can suggest with a straight face, that if I follow the instructions Jesus just gave, I am cursed.
Was Abraham cursed or blessed for following God's instructions? Show me one example of a person in the entire Bible that was cursed for following God's instructions?
I am afraid you have built your entire doctrine on falsehoods like the Pharisees were trying to obey God. God's Commandments are a burden on mankind, and there is no separating the "Law of Works" from the "Law of Faith", even though Jesus, Paul, Moses, Abraham, and the rest of the Bible does.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
What are the "Works of the law" in your religion GP? Is it "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart"?
Or is it as Hebrews and Paul preaches, the Levitical Priesthood "Law of Works" for the remission of sins?
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
What Law GP? "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart"? Or is he speaking about the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the remission of sins.
What Law id he speaking to here GP? Is the Commandment "Thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart" part of the Law of works Paul speaks of in Romans 3, or is it part of the "Law of Faith" that Jesus said to do to go to heaven?
So loving an invisible God who said He would be silent is not part of the "Law of Faith", but taking a goat to some Levitical Priest to shed it's blood because I cheated on my wife is part of the "Law of Faith".
My belief doesn't make the Bible or Jesus a liar. But it does bring your preaching into question.
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Tow laws GP.
Yes, this is the law of Faith.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, (Levite appointing a Levite.)but after the power of an endless life.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
This is the Law of Works
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
What Law makes nothing perfect? "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood,"
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Two laws GP, one that Abraham kept, (Law of Faith) and one that was "ADDED" 430 years later(Law of Works) as Paul preaches. (Gal. 3:17)
On the "Law of Works" he says: "28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
On the "law of Faith" he says: Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
There are, once again, two issues here. "Hearing of Faith" and "Works of the Law". The exact same thing Paul said in Romans 3. "Law of Works" vs. "Law of Faith".
Just because some religious franchise owner doesn't talk about this stuff doesn't mean it isn't in the Bible.
Only a mainstream preacher could, with a straight face, preach that the Galatians were suddenly trying to walk in the same Commandments Jesus walked in, and that is why Paul rebuked them.
Wow, so you equate Loving the Lord with all your heart, as the same as killing a goat and sprinkling it's blood on the Alter for the remission of my sins?
Really GP? You really preach that Paul is rebuking the Galatians because they were trying to keep God's Ten Commandments?
Is that the "Work" they are guilty of?
Under the law means dead in my sins. I'm about what the Bible teaches not the Catholic church.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?
Which laws GP? The "Law of Works" or "The Law of Faith".
Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
He left a few out, like the First and greatest Commandment among others, but I think He got his point across, don't you?
He didn't mention the Levites here, or the works of the Levitical Priesthood. Do you preach He meant to?
Once again that is your preaching to be sure. Only a Mainstream Preacher, can suggest with a straight face, that if I follow the instructions Jesus just gave, I am cursed.
Was Abraham cursed or blessed for following God's instructions? Show me one example of a person in the entire Bible that was cursed for following God's instructions?
I am afraid you have built your entire doctrine on falsehoods like the Pharisees were trying to obey God. God's Commandments are a burden on mankind, and there is no separating the "Law of Works" from the "Law of Faith", even though Jesus, Paul, Moses, Abraham, and the rest of the Bible does.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
What are the "Works of the law" in your religion GP? Is it "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart"?
Or is it as Hebrews and Paul preaches, the Levitical Priesthood "Law of Works" for the remission of sins?
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
What Law GP? "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart"? Or is he speaking about the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the remission of sins.
What Law id he speaking to here GP? Is the Commandment "Thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart" part of the Law of works Paul speaks of in Romans 3, or is it part of the "Law of Faith" that Jesus said to do to go to heaven?
So loving an invisible God who said He would be silent is not part of the "Law of Faith", but taking a goat to some Levitical Priest to shed it's blood because I cheated on my wife is part of the "Law of Faith".
My belief doesn't make the Bible or Jesus a liar. But it does bring your preaching into question.
just a little truth interjected into all this disimformation- there are not a dozen different versions of the Law. there is the Law.
all this " law of God, Levitical law, ceremonial law, etc.... is all man-made teaching, trying to drag us back to Sanai.
James- if you break one law, you break them all.
all this " law of God, Levitical law, ceremonial law, etc.... is all man-made teaching, trying to drag us back to Sanai.
James- if you break one law, you break them all.
That is what you and the Pope and "Many" who come in Christ's name preach, but the Word of God teaches differently. You are not rebelling against my teaching, but the Bible you claim to honor.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Paul certainly distinguished between two laws here.As I have said before, I'm not prepared to destroy all the scriptures you must destroy for your preaching to be true. I'll stick to God's Word and let you have your traditions and doctrines of men.
What does that make now?
#1. God's Commandments are the burden on the world that Jesus came to destroy.
#2. The Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him.
#3. There is no difference between "Love the Lord your God with all your heart", and cutting the throat of a goat to remove your sins.
Please don't stop replying to my posts. It is good to have these discussions about the difference between Mainstream Christian preaching, and what the Bible actually says.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Paul certainly distinguished between two laws here.As I have said before, I'm not prepared to destroy all the scriptures you must destroy for your preaching to be true. I'll stick to God's Word and let you have your traditions and doctrines of men.
What does that make now?
#1. God's Commandments are the burden on the world that Jesus came to destroy.
#2. The Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him.
#3. There is no difference between "Love the Lord your God with all your heart", and cutting the throat of a goat to remove your sins.
Please don't stop replying to my posts. It is good to have these discussions about the difference between Mainstream Christian preaching, and what the Bible actually says.
=eternally-gratefull;3353548]Oh boy.
But the curse of the Law is death EG. That is the whole point. Jesus took my death away, He didn't take away the definition of sin.
The letter of the law said Paul was dead. (Spiritually) But Jesus paid that death (Spiritually) So now I can strive to "Go and sin no more".
Grace and mercy are part of God's Commandments, just like Loving the Lord you God, and thou shall keep the Sabbath Holy.
Why is it so important for you to pick and choose which of God's Commandments you might consider as "Good" and which you preach is a burden on all mankind.
That is a question I have been wondering for some time. Why fight God, why not just humble ourselves to Him and His instructions. Submit to His Righteousness, not our own.
Hiz is right EG,
You don't understand what is written. You understand the mainstream preachers of our time, yes, but you don't understand what is written in the Bible.
That is where our disagreement always stems from. You preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God, but as I have shown you, the Bible preaches just the opposite.
At what point will you even consider that maybe Hiz is right, the Bible is right, Jesus is right, and you are the one who has been tricked.
I ask this in love, not to offend.
But the curse of the Law is death EG. That is the whole point. Jesus took my death away, He didn't take away the definition of sin.
The letter of the law said Paul was dead. (Spiritually) But Jesus paid that death (Spiritually) So now I can strive to "Go and sin no more".
Grace and mercy are part of God's Commandments, just like Loving the Lord you God, and thou shall keep the Sabbath Holy.
Why is it so important for you to pick and choose which of God's Commandments you might consider as "Good" and which you preach is a burden on all mankind.
That is a question I have been wondering for some time. Why fight God, why not just humble ourselves to Him and His instructions. Submit to His Righteousness, not our own.
Hiz is right EG,
You don't understand what is written. You understand the mainstream preachers of our time, yes, but you don't understand what is written in the Bible.
That is where our disagreement always stems from. You preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God, but as I have shown you, the Bible preaches just the opposite.
At what point will you even consider that maybe Hiz is right, the Bible is right, Jesus is right, and you are the one who has been tricked.
I ask this in love, not to offend.
you frame obedience as "working"
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I frame it as joy, life and the right way to walk.
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I frame it as joy, life and the right way to walk.
No one obeys God by their work at the law (10 commandments).
That's the precise reason it is a yoke that we and our fathers (ancestors) could not bear.
Romans 3:19-20
[FONT="]19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
That's why it is the ministration of condemnation and death.
That's why it is the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
That's the precise reason it is a yoke that we and our fathers (ancestors) could not bear.
Romans 3:19-20
[FONT="]19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
That's why it is the ministration of condemnation and death.
That's why it is the law of sin and death.[/FONT]