Paul exposes false application of the law

[Grandpa]

The Bible does separate it, it's just that you can't, because doing so would expose your doctrines and traditions as comeing from man and not from God.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Tow laws GP.



Yes, this is the law of Faith.



Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, (Levite appointing a Levite.)but after the power of an endless life.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

This is the Law of Works


19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


What Law makes nothing perfect? "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood,"

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Two laws GP, one that Abraham kept, (Law of Faith) and one that was "ADDED" 430 years later(Law of Works) as Paul preaches. (Gal. 3:17)

On the "Law of Works" he says: "28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

On the "law of Faith" he says: Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.



There are, once again, two issues here. "Hearing of Faith" and "Works of the Law". The exact same thing Paul said in Romans 3. "Law of Works" vs. "Law of Faith".

Just because some religious franchise owner doesn't talk about this stuff doesn't mean it isn't in the Bible.

Only a mainstream preacher could, with a straight face, preach that the Galatians were suddenly trying to walk in the same Commandments Jesus walked in, and that is why Paul rebuked them.




Wow, so you equate Loving the Lord with all your heart, as the same as killing a goat and sprinkling it's blood on the Alter for the remission of my sins?

Really GP? You really preach that Paul is rebuking the Galatians because they were trying to keep God's Ten Commandments?

Is that the "Work" they are guilty of?




Under the law means dead in my sins. I'm about what the Bible teaches not the Catholic church.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which?

Which laws GP? The "Law of Works" or "The Law of Faith".

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

He left a few out, like the First and greatest Commandment among others, but I think He got his point across, don't you?

He didn't mention the Levites here, or the works of the Levitical Priesthood. Do you preach He meant to?




Once again that is your preaching to be sure. Only a Mainstream Preacher, can suggest with a straight face, that if I follow the instructions Jesus just gave, I am cursed.

Was Abraham cursed or blessed for following God's instructions? Show me one example of a person in the entire Bible that was cursed for following God's instructions?

I am afraid you have built your entire doctrine on falsehoods like the Pharisees were trying to obey God. God's Commandments are a burden on mankind, and there is no separating the "Law of Works" from the "Law of Faith", even though Jesus, Paul, Moses, Abraham, and the rest of the Bible does.


Galatians 3:10-12
[/COLOR]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

What are the "Works of the law" in your religion GP? Is it "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart"?

Or is it as Hebrews and Paul preaches, the Levitical Priesthood "Law of Works" for the remission of sins?

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

What Law GP? "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart"? Or is he speaking about the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the remission of sins.



What Law id he speaking to here GP? Is the Commandment "Thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart" part of the Law of works Paul speaks of in Romans 3, or is it part of the "Law of Faith" that Jesus said to do to go to heaven?



So loving an invisible God who said He would be silent is not part of the "Law of Faith", but taking a goat to some Levitical Priest to shed it's blood because I cheated on my wife is part of the "Law of Faith".

My belief doesn't make the Bible or Jesus a liar. But it does bring your preaching into question.

Hebrews 7:11-12
11 [FONT=&quot]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, [/FONT][FONT=&quot](for under it the people received the law,) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For under it the people received THE LAW.

Not the "law" of the levites. The people did not receive that law the levites did. The people worked at the 10 commandments.

The levites and only the levites worked at the "levitical" law.

Now, let's look at verse 12. What law is being referenced here? You look up to the verse above it and it tells you. For under the Levitical Priesthood the people received the law, the Mosaic Law, including the 10 commandments.

It can't be referencing a "levitical" law because the people didn't receive levitical laws. Only the Priests worked at the levitical laws.


So when the Lord says He would give us rest did He just mean rest from sacrificing animals?

When the Lord said not one jot or one tittle would fall from the law until all was fulfilled that didn't include your "levitical law"? How come the Lord was not more specific? Was it because none of it could be separated, it is all one big package?[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

That is what you and the Pope and "Many" who come in Christ's name preach, but the Word of God teaches differently. You are not rebelling against my teaching, but the Bible you claim to honor.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Paul certainly distinguished between two laws here.As I have said before, I'm not prepared to destroy all the scriptures you must destroy for your preaching to be true. I'll stick to God's Word and let you have your traditions and doctrines of men.

What does that make now?

#1. God's Commandments are the burden on the world that Jesus came to destroy.

#2. The Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him.

#3. There is no difference between "Love the Lord your God with all your heart", and cutting the throat of a goat to remove your sins.

Please don't stop replying to my posts. It is good to have these discussions about the difference between Mainstream Christian preaching, and what the Bible actually says.

see, the irony here is this- most mainstream churches do exactly what you do- just pluck Scripture out, attach theology to it, and then present as God's word. very few actually teach through books of the Bible, as they should.


this is a argument tactic- accuse others of doing what you are actually doing. so, you ridicule me ( another tactic, someone has read rules for radicals ) for saying that context and chronological order should be used for Scripture. one of us has an agenda . one does not.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hebrews 7:11-12
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For under it the people received THE LAW.

Not the "law" of the levites. The people did not receive that law the levites did. The people worked at the 10 commandments.

The levites and only the levites worked at the "levitical" law.

Now, let's look at verse 12. What law is being referenced here? You look up to the verse above it and it tells you. For under the Levitical Priesthood the people received the law, the Mosaic Law, including the 10 commandments.

It can't be referencing a "levitical" law because the people didn't receive levitical laws. Only the Priests worked at the levitical laws.


So when the Lord says He would give us rest did He just mean rest from sacrificing animals?

When the Lord said not one jot or one tittle would fall from the law until all was fulfilled that didn't include your "levitical law"? How come the Lord was not more specific? Was it because none of it could be separated, it is all one big package?

the whole context is about the metathesis / change of the priesthood;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”

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the Jews left in Israyl were still mainting a useless priesthood that YHWH had disbanded, the levites used to mediate the covenant, Yahshua does now;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:1, “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The law of sacrifices being written on the heart here. not of animals but of Christ crucified as it shows:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:8, “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:14, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:15, “And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
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[Grandpa]

you frame obedience as "working"

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I frame it as joy, life and the right way to walk.

No.

I frame your working at the law as working at the law.

Obedience has NOTHING to do with working at the law.

Obedience has EVERYTHING to do with faith.


Your work at the law has nothing to do with faith. It is the antithesis of faith.

Galatians 2:21 [FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]

Galatians 3:12-14
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 9:14, "In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:8, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 14:9, "For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 20:38, "Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.”[/FONT]

No.

I frame your working at the law as working at the law.

Obedience has NOTHING to do with working at the law.

Obedience has EVERYTHING to do with faith.


Your work at the law has nothing to do with faith. It is the antithesis of faith.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:12-14
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

the whole context is about the metathesis / change of the priesthood;





Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."


Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”



the Jews left in Israyl were still mainting a useless priesthood that YHWH had disbanded, the levites used to mediate the covenant, Yahshua does now;


Hebrews 10:1, “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”


The law of sacrifices being written on the heart here. not of animals but of Christ crucified as it shows:


Hebrews 10:8, “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law.”


Hebrews 10:14, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”


Hebrews 9:15, “And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”





1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."



1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."



Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The People never received a "Levitical" law to work at it.

Only the levites worked at levitical law.

The people received the Mosaic Law, including the 10 commandments, which were under the Levitical Priesthood.


The whole Context, over and over and over, is that NONE of the law in any shape or form, had the power to make anyone perfect.

Only faith in Christ has that Power.


No matter how many ways it is presented that your work at the law is not what is pleasing to God, it is not the way of RIGHTEOUSNESS, you always want to twist all the scripture to try and show that it is your work at the law that is required.

Its not your work that is required. It is your obedience. Two entirely different things that are completely lost on the judaizer and legalist.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

No.

I frame your working at the law as working at the law.

Obedience has NOTHING to do with working at the law.

Obedience has EVERYTHING to do with faith.


Your work at the law has nothing to do with faith. It is the antithesis of faith.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:12-14
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

All you have to do is show that you know what that way they call heresy is and we will be in agreement...

What was that way they called heresy Hiz?

 

[Hizikyah]

The People never received a "Levitical" law to work at it.

Only the levites worked at levitical law.

The people received the Mosaic Law, including the 10 commandments, which were under the Levitical Priesthood.


The whole Context, over and over and over, is that NONE of the law in any shape or form, had the power to make anyone perfect.

Only faith in Christ has that Power.


No matter how many ways it is presented that your work at the law is not what is pleasing to God, it is not the way of RIGHTEOUSNESS, you always want to twist all the scripture to try and show that it is your work at the law that is required.

Its not your work that is required. It is your obedience. Two entirely different things that are completely lost on the judaizer and legalist.

ok, sure.....

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 32:8, “Let Me instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; Let Me counsel, My eye be on you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 12:1-2, “I call upon you, therefore, brothers, through the compassion of Yah, to present your bodies a living offering; set-apart, well-pleasing to Yah, your reasonable worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Yah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:21, "If, then, anyone cleanses himself from these matters, he shall be a vessel unto value, having been set apart, of good use to the Master, having been prepared for every good work."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:4, "Seek [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and His strength; Seek His face always."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 12:11, "not idle in duty, ardent in spirit, serving the Master;"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”[/FONT]

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[Grandpa]

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

So you think that means you are set free from the "law" of sacrifice? You don't have to sacrifice animals anymore?

When scripture says we are not under law but under Grace you think that means we aren't under the "law" of sacrifice?

What a coincidence that present day Judaism doesn't sacrifice animals, either, and yet they reject Christ.

 

[Studyman]

All you have to do is show that you know what that way they call heresy is and we will be in agreement...

What was that way they called heresy Hiz?

They called forgiving sins without the "works" of the Levitical Priesthood heresy GP.

They were still relying on the "Works of the Law" for remission of sins and not the righteous blood of Jesus that these "works" symbolized.

 

[Grandpa]

They called forgiving sins without the "works" of the Levitical Priesthood heresy GP.

They were still relying on the "Works of the Law" for remission of sins and not the righteous blood of Jesus that these "works" symbolized.

They called not working at the 10 commandments heresy.

Judaism of today doesn't sacrifice animals and yet they would still consider the way which Paul worshipped heresy...

Right? Or no, is it the same now that they don't sacrifice animals?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

=eternally-gratefull;3353548]Oh boy.


But the curse of the Law is death EG. That is the whole point. Jesus took my death away, He didn't take away the definition of sin.

Can you show where I said otherwise? I have to wonder why their is a disconnect here.

The letter of the law said Paul was dead. (Spiritually) But Jesus paid that death (Spiritually) So now I can strive to "Go and sin no more".

How are you doing? Are you sinless? If you say no. Then you have failed to live up to the standard. If you say yes, then I refuse you to first john 1.

Grace and mercy are part of God's Commandments, just like Loving the Lord you God, and thou shall keep the Sabbath Holy.

Grace and mercy are part of Gods love and forgiveness. Not part of his commands. Please. About the only aspect of grace and mercy found in the law was the levitical sacrifice where the innocent animal took the penalty of the sin of the people.

Of course, that represented the cross. And the great lamb off God who came to remove the sin of the world.

Why is it so important for you to pick and choose which of God's Commandments you might consider as "Good" and which you preach is a burden on all mankind.

aww, I should have known you would twist my words again, Show me where I said any command was a burden. The command is ot the burden. Fillcilling the law to be righteous is the burden, because we can not live up to that standard. (Unless you are sinless. Which again, i refer you to 1 John 1)

That is a question I have been wondering for some time. Why fight God, why not just humble ourselves to Him and His instructions. Submit to His Righteousness, not our own.

lol.. Can you show me where I said or even insinuated this? Why do you all have to slander others in order to make your point.

Hiz is right EG,

You don't understand what is written. You understand the mainstream preachers of our time, yes, but you don't understand what is written in the Bible.

That is where our disagreement always stems from. You preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God, but as I have shown you, the Bible preaches just the opposite.

At what point will you even consider that maybe Hiz is right, the Bible is right, Jesus is right, and you are the one who has been tricked.

I ask this in love, not to offend.

His thinks if I follow Gods commands and love others as God loved me, and set my things on the things of the spirit. I may be following the wrong spirit.

So no. His is not right.

and when will you all comprehend it is not the law that is the eproblem, it is the interpretation of the law that is the problem. And how the law is fulfilled.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are you actually preaching, with a straight face, that the Jews were obeying God, then repented of their obedience to God and turned to Jesus in faith, but then were "bewitched" into turning "AGAIN" to those sinful, burdensome Commandments of God?

No, I never said they were obeying God. Why do you thin k you get to tell people what theyt think.

if your not going to listen to a word people say, Maybe you in the wrong place.

if you can not prove your point without Leung about what others say or believe, you are wasting your time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you frame obedience as "working"

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I frame it as joy, life and the right way to walk.

It is working when your trying to do it by your own power. By following rules. And not doing what God said we must do if we want to truly obey it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one obeys God by their work at the law (10 commandments).

That's the precise reason it is a yoke that we and our fathers (ancestors) could not bear.

Romans 3:19-20
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

That's why it is the ministration of condemnation and death.

That's why it is the law of sin and death.

one must wonder why some people mouths are not stopped. And they continue to think they are righteous according to the law?

be it righteous saved, or righteous mature.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They called forgiving sins without the "works" of the Levitical Priesthood heresy GP.

They were still relying on the "Works of the Law" for remission of sins and not the righteous blood of Jesus that these "works" symbolized.

Oh? Seems some just wanted to add circumcision. Or other aspects of the law. Gal was not written because they wanted to return to sacrifice.

As paul said, if you want to follow one aspect. Your indebted to follow it all. You can not pick and chose what part you chose to follow. The law is a unit.

The levitical priesthood was institituted because Isreal could not keep the law. if they could have kept the law. The priesthood would have not been needed.

The priest himself could not even live up to the law. He had to make himself clean before he could sacrifice for the nation.

 

[Studyman]

see, the irony here is this- most mainstream churches do exactly what you do- just pluck Scripture out, attach theology to it, and then present as God's word. very few actually teach through books of the Bible, as they should.


this is a argument tactic- accuse others of doing what you are actually doing. so, you ridicule me ( another tactic, someone has read rules for radicals ) for saying that context and chronological order should be used for Scripture. one of us has an agenda . one does not.

I don't argue with you because you preach the truth about God, I argue with you because you preach falsehood about God. And when you are exposed, you just move on to the next falsehood. You can say all you want, but nothing you say will alter the Biblical truth that it isn't God's Commandments that are the scourge of the world, it is preaching doctrines and traditions of men that cause people to transgress the Commandments of God.

No matter what you say, your words can not erase the Biblical fact that the Pharisees were NOT trying to obey God, they were trying to get to heaven by creating their own laws, doctrines and traditions. To deny this is to deny Christ.

If that truth condemns your preaching, then maybe you should look in the mirror instead of harping on those who would help you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They called not working at the 10 commandments heresy.

Judaism of today doesn't sacrifice animals and yet they would still consider the way which Paul worshipped heresy...

Right? Or no, is it the same now that they don't sacrifice animals?

They have not sacrificed in a few thousand years. If sacrifice was their hold-up. They would have to admit no jew was saved or had hope for those 2000 years. Thats a lot of lost people.

 

[Grandpa]

No matter what you say, your words can not erase the Biblical fact that the Pharisees were NOT trying to obey God, they were trying to get to heaven by creating their own laws, doctrines and traditions. To deny this is to deny Christ.

Everyone who works at the law in their own understanding and strength does the EXACT same thing.

Don't they?

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]This is the very beginning of obedience, understanding, wisdom, Christianity.

If you haven't been given rest, if you don't know what it is, then you are a clanging gong, trying to teach law but not knowing what it really says and what its for.

 

[Studyman]

Oh? Seems some just wanted to add circumcision. Or other aspects of the law. Gal was not written because they wanted to return to sacrifice.

As paul said, if you want to follow one aspect. Your indebted to follow it all. You can not pick and chose what part you chose to follow. The law is a unit.

The levitical priesthood was institituted because Isreal could not keep the law. if they could have kept the law. The priesthood would have not been needed.

The priest himself could not even live up to the law. He had to make himself clean before he could sacrifice for the nation.

You preach this I know, like you preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God and not their own doctrines and traditions as Jesus said over and over.

Church doctrine is wrong on this point EG, just like you are wrong to preach the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him.

Jesus, God, Paul and Peter separated God's Righteous "Law of Faith"(Commandments Abraham kept) from the carnal "Law of works" called "Levitical Priesthood" (Added to the Law of faith Abraham kept.) You and the Jews refuse to separate them.

Jesus and Paul didn't, and neither do I.

That is why Jesus and Paul had a different understanding of God's Word than the Mainstream preachers of their time. That is why we have completely different understandings of these same scriptures.