Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[eternally-gratefull]

Yopu frame things in you mindset, the word says:

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

So what your saying is I was wrong.

Even though, in myt words I showed how it is I guard his commands, and show my love for him. By making sure I am using his power to obey, not my own power.

Thanks Hiz, again, you failed to respond because you have no answer. Your so out to excuse your law following you will not listen to a word anyone says.

It really gets old. When someone posts a verse you cherish and follow as a point to refute your belief. it just goes to show how blind we can be when we listen with blind eyes. And do not open them so we can hear what others say.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So anyone who guards the 7th day Sabbath claims justification by works?

you seem to be making connections that are not there.

1. I never said such a thing, STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW AHT I MEAN. It gets old. And just makes you look desperate
2. Who said I was talking about justification by works? I hae been talking about both justification, and christian growth.
3. Who is the one judging, is it not the sanitarian judging us as unsaved because we do not follow the sabbath like you think we should (without knowing if we personally follow it or not?)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Relay the Word of GOD with Love.. for the Glory of GOD and the Salvation of man..

GOD’s Law is still to be Kept and taught by His Children through Faith in the Lord’s Testament.

you better be perfect. Thats the requirement./

if your not perfect. You’re condemned.

As paul said, if your going to keep one part. Your INDEBTED to follow it all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The 10 Com are a separate Law spiritual and eternal given by GOD personally and to which He 'added no more Deut 5v22...the rest 'contained in ordinances/works through Moses were dealt with by Yahshua/Jesus on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14;

When Yashua said 'it is finished' He was more likely to have referred to His human mission on earth than to abolish law in general....He most obviously did not for how could He then tell the wicked and lawless to depart from Him into everlasting fire

What he meant is he had completely fulfilled the law. Because up to that time, he had yet to make the sacrifice as the lamb of God.

His mission on earth was to fulfill the law (including to die) and to redeem mankind to himself.

 

[Grandpa]

Why do you teach against imitating Jesus Christ in obeying the Father?

This is not of the Holy Spirit.

Why do you teach against obeying the commandments of God.

Paul teaches the law is established by faith. By faith I know His commandments are good. Why do you persist in attempting to discourage the faithful, those who have the law established by their faith on their herts?

I did not even know the law was good until I realized just how evil mankind is without God, and after changing my direction from this age to my heavenly Father, it became obvious to me His commandments ae good.

Why do you persist?

Because no ones work or understanding of the law makes them perfect or will save them.

Only by coming to Christ and receiving His Gift will anyone be made perfect and be given Salvation.

Galatians 2:29 [FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[/FONT]You think your imitation of Christ is holiness? You think the Holy Spirit told you to try really hard to imitate Christ?

There is no reason to try to imitate Christ if it is Christ Himself who is perfecting you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Friend, do you know him personally and if not how can you accuse him of this? We can't judge our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Psa_119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

David said he will keep the law for ever and ever, maybe we are missing something somewhere.

God bless friends

1. I can know by what he says
2. I said the way to overcome sin was to follow God in love and serve others above yourself. And to seek after th4e things of the spirit. And he said I was wrong.

so how else should I interpret him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who else does God make covenants with ? if you are not of Israel 'physically OR spiritually no covenant applies to you'
Do you think CHrist's law is not based on the Farher's Word ? Are the two not ONE ?

The abrahamic covenant belongs to us, As God said, IN YOU shall ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD be blessed.

People are focusing to much on the wrong covenant.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you teach against imitating Jesus Christ in obeying the Father?

why do you insist on slandering others. it is bad enough you slander me every chance you get. Now your going to slander another brother in christ. (Although we should be used to it, you do it all the time.)

Please show where he is saying it is ok not to imitate christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because no ones work or understanding of the law makes them perfect or will save them.

Only by coming to Christ and receiving His Gift will anyone be made perfect and be given Salvation.

Galatians 2:29 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

You think your imitation of Christ is holiness? You think the Holy Spirit told you to try really hard to imitate Christ?

There is no reason to try to imitate Christ if it is Christ Himself who is perfecting you.

remember, God says come unto me and stop working so hard, and I will give you rest,

It is rest to become like Christ, it is not work.

 

[JaumeJ]

Wo what you are telling me is I should not obey what I believe God wants me, and all of His children to do?
I know I am saved by grace.
How do you explain the law being established by faith? Are you just going to keep repeating the same dark message?

Because no ones work or understanding of the law makes them perfect or will save them.

Only by coming to Christ and receiving His Gift will anyone be made perfect and be given Salvation.

Galatians 2:29 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

You think your imitation of Christ is holiness? You think the Holy Spirit told you to try really hard to imitate Christ?

There is no reason to try to imitate Christ if it is Christ Himself who is perfecting you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wo what you are telling me is I should not obey what I believe God wants me, and all of His children to do?
I know I am saved by grace.
How do you explain the law being established by faith? Are you just going to keep repeating the same dark message?

Law established by faith.

It establishes thast Christ fulfilled the law in deed (he never broke one command, so he was innocent) and he fulfilled the levitical sacifice (without the shedding f blood there can be no forgiveness)
It establishes that we have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God (guilty of the law)

It places the onus on God. And takes the pride away from man.

 

[notuptome]

We ought to follow the ten commandments because they are good guidelines for our conduct. We do not follow the ten commandments for righteousness sake but for things to go well for us. We ought not to steal, commit adultery, worship idols, bear false witness but these do not make us righteous just good citizens in society. We ought to obey speed limits and stop at stop signs as well. We ought to pay our taxes and not take liberties at the governments expense. We ought to be honest in our business dealings. These are all reasonable things.

You can argue the Sabbath keeping and Kosher diet are of equal value but as a Gentile I'm not all that interested.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

When did God tell mankind His gift of the Seventh Day had been changed to the first day?

Also, what are people observing when they consider the first day the Sabbath of the Lord God?

I honor God by believing Him on this issue and not man.
I know I am savd by grace........
Weh do some morons tell me I am under the law simply because I prefer to believe God before I believe man?
Alo, why associate kosher with people who believe the Father on His designation of the Seventh Day as a gift to man?

I am not under the law. I know of no one who honors teh Father by heeding Him on the day of rest who is under the law, although we do all do our best to obey God......read at least, Ephesians.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Friend, do you know him personally and if not how can you accuse him of this? We can't judge our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Psa_119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

David said he will keep the law for ever and ever, maybe we are missing something somewhere.

God bless friends

Man after GOD’s own heart.

 

[MarcR]

Mt 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
KJV


The context here is the beginning of Jesus earthly ministry. Jesus is on a hill addressing a multitude, and opening His first major sermon. There is at the time no Church and few believers.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus has not yet addressed the purpose of the Law or how the Law relates to people's lives. He simply announces that His mission is to fulfill it.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth have not yet passed so the Law is still in force. The penalty for breaking any part of it is still death, destruction, and separation from God.


19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1) Keeping the Law or failure to keep it has no bearing on who gets to Heaven.

2) EVERYONE breaks one or more of the least commandments; so from this perspective, we are all least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The only way our righteousness can exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees is through trusting Jesus and thus acquiring His righteousness.


Php 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV


As believers pleasing God must be understood as something that DOES NOT result from our own efforts.

When we have trusted Jesus both for our Salvation and for our righteousness, God, Himself, gives us not only the ability but also the desire to please Him. We are no longer responding to Law (whether or not we do the things of the law) but we are responding to the Holy Spirit within us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Man after GOD’s own heart.

yet he committed murder and adultry after God made this claim about him.

 

[Grandpa]

Wo what you are telling me is I should not obey what I believe God wants me, and all of His children to do?
I know I am saved by grace.
How do you explain the law being established by faith? Are you just going to keep repeating the same dark message?

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

There is a reason this scripture is in the bible. Do you know what it is?

Its correction for going into error. Following a path that leads to the curse and death and not to life and blessing.

Galatians 3:10-14
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[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If you don't understand this simplicity how will you understand upholding the law by faith if I explain it to you?[/FONT]
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[LoveGodForever]

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

There is a reason this scripture is in the bible. Do you know what it is?

Its correction for going into error. Following a path that leads to the curse and death and not to life and blessing.

Galatians 3:10-14

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If you don't understand this simplicity how will you understand upholding the law by faith if I explain it to you?

Seems like you are stuck in a loop Grandpa? I posted this before for you maybe you did not read it? If you did read it why are you repeating the same old things that have no relevance to anyone or the OP?

I love all the scriptures you have quoted. Although I am not sure what your point is? No one here is telling you that we are saved by what we do apart from faith. So your trying to build an argument that is not there. If you have no argument and people believe and agree with the scriptures you have quoted you have nothing to argue about.

We are talking about SIN however and how it will keep you out of God's Kingdom. If we do not repent of our SINS and our faith does not work by love that produces the fruit of obedience you WILL be lost. The fruit of Love is the Gift of God in those that walk in His Spirit and a sign that they are the true believers because they follow God's WOrd by faith in love.

For example God's Word says...........................

Hebrews 10
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.

Hebrews 6
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

1 John 2:2-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Psalms 1
5, Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6, For the LORD knows the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

2 Peter 2
3, And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;
7, And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Jude 1
14, And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Ecclesiastes 12
13, Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14, For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Isaiah 1
28, And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

Isaiah 13
9, Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 33
14, The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15, He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16, He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

Proverb 8
36, But he that sins against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death

Ezekiel 18
4, Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27, Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28, Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29, Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30, Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31, Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32, For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves , and live ye.

Proverbs 28
9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Ezekiel 33
10, Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 , I f the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

Romans 6
23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Grandpa]

Seems like you are stuck in a loop Grandpa? I posted this before for you maybe you did not read it? If you did read it why are you repeating the same old things that have no relevance to anyone or the OP?

I don't know what you are talking about.

Are you just offended by the scripture? It is pretty simple and completely blows the philosophy of the legalists and judaizers out of the water.

 

[Sinceritas]

Please everyone read the Bible and the article before you answer the question of this thread. Because the discussion is based on what the article says.