The Rapture Theory

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Nehemiah6

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tanakh said:
I am not suggesting that the Soul Sleep doctrine is true. I am suggesting that those who insist on a two stage pre trib rapture give that impression because of the way they describe that rapture . Virtually ignoring this part of Paul's teaching by pushing the coming of the saints to some ''second coming'' which for those who can count is really a third one according to them.
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I am not sure why there should be any misunderstanding. When Christ comes for His saints at the Rapture, those who died in Christ receive glorified resurrection bodies, and those living receive glorified bodies. This is all one event and it is strictly about the Church.

Once all the saints are Heaven, there is a judgment pertaining to their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ, followed by the Marriage of the Lamb. It is only AFTER that that Christ comes with His glorified saints along with the holy angels at the second coming of Christ. Since the Lord does not come to earth at the Rapture, but "in the air", and then returns to Heaven immediately, that is not regarded as the second coming with power and great glory.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That would be a physical and spiritual IMPOSSIBILITY. Between the Rapture and the Second Coming we have the Marriage of the Lamb.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready...And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev 19:7,14).
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What do you expect from a guy that owns his own thread?:rolleyes:
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
I am not sure why there should be any misunderstanding. When Christ comes for His saints at the Rapture, those who died in Christ receive glorified resurrection bodies, and those living receive glorified bodies. This is all one event and it is strictly about the Church.

Once all the saints are Heaven, there is a judgment pertaining to their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ, followed by the Marriage of the Lamb. It is only AFTER that that Christ comes with His glorified saints along with the holy angels at the second coming of Christ. Since the Lord does not come to earth at the Rapture, but "in the air", and then returns to Heaven immediately, that is not regarded as the second coming with power and great glory.
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Yep,and as a bonus he gathers the Jews in rev 14. (a bonus rapture) LOL

Note that the 144k are in heaven ahead of the ones Gathered by Jesus with a sickle on a cloud.

The jews are gathered last to the marriage supper.

They are the wine at Jesus first miracle "...but you saved the best for last" they come in last.....DURING THE GT.
 
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While postribs and preterists are playing marbles with Margaret McDonald and Jesuit priests us bereans are unpacking the Bible. Digging and studying in the ENTIRE WORD,not listening to teachers that a babe in Christ could blow holes in their silly extra biblical doctrines.
 
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heartofdavid said:
the wheat and tares are gathered together. Which is not the rapture. (remember,the dead in christ rise first....no tares allowed)

Besides that there is a gathering by Jesus in rev 14 DURING THE GT.

Only pretrib rapture fits the overall picture.
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No they are not....the tares begin to be burnt and God gathers the wheat dia the angels....and the gathering of the wheat is the so called rapture of the saints....post tribulation
 
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Quote by celib;

Jesus did not know the day or the hour because he was created a little lower then the angels ....
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Was Jesus created,or is he creator??
Is Jesus God????

I am thinking you are watchtower.
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Still waiting.

Was Jesus created,or creator.
 
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heartofdavid said:
While postribs and preterists are playing marbles with Margaret McDonald and Jesuit priests us bereans are unpacking the Bible. Digging and studying in the ENTIRE WORD,not listening to teachers that a babe in Christ could blow holes in their silly extra biblical doctrines.
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We have a comedian here.....he has jokes and no leg to stand on....
 
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No they are not....the tares begin to be burnt and God gathers the wheat dia the angels....and the gathering of the wheat is the so called rapture of the saints....post tribulation
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In the story,IT WAS SUGGESTED by the workers to do what you are suggesting. That was removed from the table.
"No,lest you uproot the wheat also"

Ask someone that farms about it. The wheat is cut ALONG WITH THE GRAIN.
They are harvested TOGETHER.

WHERE DO WE SEE THIS DYNAMIC IN PARALLEL? (two groups,one good one bad,and a judgement)

Here>>>>>>Mat 25
[FONT=&quot]31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:



Judgement .....LOF

Not by any stretch is it the rapture.[/FONT]
 
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heartofdavid said:
Open bible

Engage me

You will find out real quick.
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The only thing I would find out real quick is that which I already know about you...that being--->you ignore context, verbiage, the definition of words etc. to come to a flawed conclusion...
 
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heartofdavid said:
In the story,IT WAS SUGGESTED by the workers to do what you are suggesting. That was removed from the table.
"No,lest you uproot the wheat also"

Ask someone that farms about it. The wheat is cut ALONG WITH THE GRAIN.
They are harvested TOGETHER.

WHERE DO WE SEE THIS DYNAMIC IN PARALLEL? (two groups,one good one bad,and a judgement)

Here>>>>>>Mat 25
[FONT=&quot]31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:



Judgement .....LOF

Not by any stretch is it the rapture.[/FONT]
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I know all about farming and harvesting....go read the parable of the wheat and tares...God begins to move against the tares before he gathers the wheat.....maybe read the bible it will help you get it straight!
 
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THE MID TRIB RAPTURE

1. JESUS said that the Days for the Elect in this Last Generation will be Shortened
which means that we will go UP TO WHERE JESUS IS BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE.
2. JESUS says that he PRESERVE THE PHILADELPHIAN CHURCH DURING THE TIME OF LOYALTY TESTING OF THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE EARTH.


Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,
which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


3. JESUS says that he will PREPARE A PLACE FOR THE ELECT AND COME AND TAKE THEM TO HIM


Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], where she hath a PLACE PREPARED BY GOD [JESUS],
that they should NOURISH her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


-- The Laodicean Church is Spewed Forward out of JESUS ' Mouth.
Re 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth.


-- The Laodicean Church has to go through some Extra Tribulation before it is Raptured.

Re 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


Conclusion:
All this happens when The Man of Sin Falls Away from the Seven Year Contract he made with the JEWS.


2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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