the Law of moses, His intercession and mediation.

[followjesus]

the Law of moses, is called the Law of Moses and is seperate from the Gospel to me, because


( God speaks the ten commandments)


exodus 20 " And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.......v21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was."

God tells moses what to tell them, and then alot of folks miss that He says this

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. 22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries...."

then after all this God stops and says ....


exodus 32 " And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: 8They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: ( the ten commandments) they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.


( this is Gods Judgement on the people and rightly so he just delivered them and made them wonderful promises and they were praiseing a golden calf for delivering them from egypt, after he had given moses the commandments this because the people feared His speaking to them they asked that moses mediate and God only speak to Him so God gave them the ten commandments His words and Work of His finger....but moses intercedes)


11And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. ( moses says this to God)13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. 14And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


( then moses goes down and judges them after God relents using Gods authority see, moses saved them God had decided to destroy them and then bless Moses and make Him a great nation continuing abrahams blessing but he pleads with God or " intercedes for God to have mercy, and not let the egyptians speak against God saying he saved them from us to destroy them and God responds in kind)


15And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. 16And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. ....


19And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount. 20And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it.


( God knew what they were doing, moses didnt, when He saw, then like God, His anger waxed hot because he now sees what they have done and He judges them)


21And Moses said unto Aaron, ( aaron is the High priest remember ) What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them? 22And Aaron said, Let not the anger of my lord wax hot: thou knowest the people, that they are set on mischief. 23For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. 24And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf. ( the High priest, built the first Idol)


25And when Moses saw that the people were naked; 26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. ( the priests line) 27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

28And the children of Levi( the priests) did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. 29For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day."


then moses intercedes again for the people with God

30And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin?; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. <<< he is offering his own self, for the people who had sinned



33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: ( he says again ) behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: >>nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made."


this is why the Law of Moses is the Law of Moses. Moses was thier intercessor, so He had authority over them, and He was the One communing with the Lord, not the people. the Gospel, God comes and does everything necassary for us to come close and have a relationship with Him, to talk with Him in prayer, the promisethat He is with us by His spirit, in us, with us personally. he hears us when we pray because he is with us the Holy spirit is of Him, part of God who is spirit.


Jesus says this to those who had thier hopes in the law of moses an thus refused His teachings, and it makes sense to me

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.( deuteronomy 18:15-18) 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

deauteronomy 31:26 "Take this book of the law, and put it at the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."

The law is an accuser against what you have done, this is one of moses last commands before he dies. it is a good holy Law, for a hardened isolatrous, rebellious people who had no access to the holy spirit. its for those without the spirit. the Gospel is the doctrine of the spirit.

john 14:26 " But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."


Moses had the authority over those of the law because he interceeded for them, and mediated between God and them, and pleaded for them, several more times this same thing, moses intercedes for the people and God punishes and then spares them. Jesus Christ is far Greater than Moses, and He is Our intercessor, and He is Our mediator, His Words are the Words of God, for those of the Holy spirit.


God Bless you in abundance !

 

[followjesus]

ever wonder why the High priest of the Law, the chief priests of the Law, the elders of the Law, the teachers of the Law, and the people who served the Law......are those who accused, and witnessed against and plotted on, and sh=chemed and all the while wanted desperately to put Jesus to death for blashpemy? why they looked down upon others? why they had distain for "sinners" while Jesus went and held and touched and Loved them?

its because the Law of Moses is an accuser of sinners, against all who have sinned. a witness against them, this is how satan uses it against us because its meant for those in rebellion to God, so later in prophecy we see satan standing beside the high priest of the Law, to accuse the brethren, he used the law against sinful mankind. Jesus comes with the Gospel, what is meant to resurrect us, or give us new life a new birth, eternal Life, the Holy spirit freedom after the death and accusation of the Law against all we have done.


its why a good christian follower wont be an accuser, but a forgiver and a fogetter. One who will help someone who has failed or sinned still comfort them and be thier friend, eat and visit with them. rather than like a phrisee of the Law, who looked at them as less at people like the sinful woman who annoints Jesus, they wouldnt even let a person like that near them or let them touch them. they were filthy and unclean to the people of the Law. worthy of ostricization, excommnication, stoning. iredeemable because they had been judged by the law as unfit, unclean, unworthy. but they who kept the Law strictly, are those accusing and condemning, tying heavy loads up for them......


the spirit in the law, is one meant for those who will definately rebel, and the spirit in the gospel is for those who have fallen and understand they have fallen short and need Gods provision in order to live.

 

[Jackson123]

So you believe Moses create law?

For Example Numbers 15

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Is this God command or Moses law?

 

[followjesus]

So you believe Moses create law?

For Example Numbers 15

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Is this God command or Moses law?

So you believe Moses create law?


no not at all friend, Moses mediated the law. do you know what the word " Mediator" means?

if you, and I have an agreement, the mediator is the One who sets the terms of our agreement. or covenant. he is like the person who goes between you and hears your requirements, and then comes to me, and hears mine and tells me what you want out of the covenant. Moses had authority over those God delivered from Egypt. because he set the terms being the mediator. the ten commandments, are the only thing God spoke to the people Himself, is what Im saying, Jesus was God speaking Himself to the people, without the fire and storm and lightning and terror that caused them to go away from God and believe His word, would kill them. Jesus came to the people as one of us, coming and eating with sinners, Loving them.


God gave moses the authority whn the people refused to hear him, thats when God promised to send Jesus, according to what the people asked. they requested moses as thier mediator its in the op. God has always spoken, through man. through mankind. he spoke the Law also to moses, the law was meant for the time until Jesus came with the covenant.

the mediator matters as moses offered His life for the people, and became thier mediator. Jesus did that also for the world, only Jesus actually did sacrifice Himself. thats what Gives Him the power to set the covenant. if the covenant hasnt changed, the new testament would have to be wrong. if its not a different covenant, then Jeremiah and isaiahs prophecies are wrong that were saying " the old things are finished, i am going to do a new thing that is not according to the covenant i made with the people i led from egypt which covenant they broke".


its just what the bible says, moses was preached until John the baptist, from then forward its Jesus who is preached. the law was between the flood, and baptism. the gospel was before the flood, and after baptism. 2 priesthoods, 2 mediators, 2 covenants. were not those who were led from Egypt, but those who were lost and called to repentance and salvation.


the law cant do what Jesus says to do its different.

 

[posthuman]

as the Law was the shadow of the Spirit that now gives us life through belief, and the righteousness of works a shadow of the righteousness that is by faith, Moses was the shadow of the true Intercessor - into whom we have been baptized, the Mediator of a new and better covenant

I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
(1 Corinthians 10:1-2)

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
(Galatians 3:23-26)


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there is one baptism - and it's not into Moses, thank God! because no flesh will be justified by works, but whoever puts their trust in the LORD will not be put to shame!!

 

[followjesus]

as the Law was the shadow of the Spirit that now gives us life through belief, and the righteousness of works a shadow of the righteousness that is by faith, Moses was the shadow of the true Intercessor - into whom we have been baptized, the Mediator of a new and better covenant

I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
(1 Corinthians 10:1-2)

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
(Galatians 3:23-26)


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there is one baptism - and it's not into Moses, thank God! because no flesh will be justified by works, but whoever puts their trust in the LORD will not be put to shame!!

definately an amen to that posthuman. we are definately justified by Faith, and faith is definately not without works. Good works, are a part of the Life of Gods children, its just what we do, what were supposed to do, what were born to do. Faith saves without question and doing good things for people who need help, shouldnt be a work where were trying to determine if its whats saving us or not.

Gods will is truly so simple. for those who belong to Him, to treat each other with Love and kindness, to see the one who is in need, and go out of our way to help and love them in His name. the thing is in order to do this, we cant " Kill" " steal from" Lie to" bear false testimony against" because not doing those things to each other, is an essential part of real Love. if we marry, do we say i love you every day before work, and then cheat, lie to, steal from.......? its Love partly and an essential part of Love, is not acting in those ways towards others. that isnt really, or should not be considered a work.


as essential as not killing my brother, is not bearing hate in my heart for him, forgiving Him quickly, not taking revenge when He does me wrong, not insulting Him, just because he insulted me. to see my brother begging for change, or needing help Love cant simply walk on by and act as if i dint see.....thos also we dont act because we feel as if i dont ill be destroyed and not saved, but a person with Gods Love in them, will act rather than look for a reason not to.


what we do, really is How we Love. its like that in our relationships with spouses, children, friends and God also. what we actually do, is who we actually are. not what we have done, but what we do now. that defines Love to God. and really is not a grievance when we look at Gods Word through Jesus rather than Moses. simply because


hebrews 12 " For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) <<< the first covenant

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. ( hebrews 1:2..hebrews 2:1-5) For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more 26Whoshall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven"


john 3 " He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; ....v 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


deuteronomy 18 " The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; <<<<16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. "


john 12: " He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

john 6:68 ' Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

acts 3 " For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."


1 timothy 6: " If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."


1 john 3 " Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight."


keeping the commandments and loving others arent works, but just the life of Gods people. what weve done is different from what we do.

 

[posthuman]

He teaches how to live, He teaches how to love - see Jah love? ♪♫



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tucked in a corner of the Law of the old covenant is "love one another"

His command is "love one another as I have loved you"

 

[followjesus]

amen i like this to explain that

romans 13 " Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, ( note these are 4 of the ten commandments and he says "if there be any other commandment) it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."


John says the same thing

1 john 5 " By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."


Jesus taught us How to Love and Love is full of mercy, " be merciful as I have been merciful, judge not as I have not judged you, condemn not, as I have not conemned you, help the needy among you, as I have helped you in your poverty, heal the broken as I have healed your brokeneness... i am the Light of the World....you are the light of the World, My Father sent me...I am sending you, I must go and suffer and die...I forgive you...you fogrive them...I Loved you...you Love them....i turned the other cheek when they hit me...you turn the other cheek when they hit you, i didnt repay insult for insult, you do not repay insult for insult.......

romans 8:29 " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinateto be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

r0mans 12:2 " And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


1 john 3:1 " Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."


john 14:20 " At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."

john 3 " The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."

john 16 : 27 " For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."


john 15 : As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

 

[Jackson123]

So you believe Moses create law?


no not at all friend, Moses mediated the law. do you know what the word " Mediator" means?

if you, and I have an agreement, the mediator is the One who sets the terms of our agreement. or covenant. he is like the person who goes between you and hears your requirements, and then comes to me, and hears mine and tells me what you want out of the covenant. Moses had authority over those God delivered from Egypt. because he set the terms being the mediator. the ten commandments, are the only thing God spoke to the people Himself, is what Im saying, Jesus was God speaking Himself to the people, without the fire and storm and lightning and terror that caused them to go away from God and believe His word, would kill them. Jesus came to the people as one of us, coming and eating with sinners, Loving them.


God gave moses the authority whn the people refused to hear him, thats when God promised to send Jesus, according to what the people asked. they requested moses as thier mediator its in the op. God has always spoken, through man. through mankind. he spoke the Law also to moses, the law was meant for the time until Jesus came with the covenant.

the mediator matters as moses offered His life for the people, and became thier mediator. Jesus did that also for the world, only Jesus actually did sacrifice Himself. thats what Gives Him the power to set the covenant. if the covenant hasnt changed, the new testament would have to be wrong. if its not a different covenant, then Jeremiah and isaiahs prophecies are wrong that were saying " the old things are finished, i am going to do a new thing that is not according to the covenant i made with the people i led from egypt which covenant they broke".


its just what the bible says, moses was preached until John the baptist, from then forward its Jesus who is preached. the law was between the flood, and baptism. the gospel was before the flood, and after baptism. 2 priesthoods, 2 mediators, 2 covenants. were not those who were led from Egypt, but those who were lost and called to repentance and salvation.


the law cant do what Jesus says to do its different.

what is mediator authority?



You say mediator not make the law.

what left, change the law, or modified the law?

 

[followjesus]

what is mediator authority?



You say mediator not make the law.

what left, change the law, or modified the law?"


yes exactly the Law changes with the mediator, understand that the " priesthood" has changed, the mediator has changed, and the Law has indeed changed from the things moses said, to the things Jesus Said. heres some scripture


hebrews 7 " If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law....V15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God...... v 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore."


as imperfect as moses, so is the law, as perfect as Jesus...so is the Gospel. again, it matters who the mediator is, in the times of the Law, Moses is thier Leader, the one who judges and rules over the people, is moses. Both God and the people chose moses for this honor. we are not those who were of this covenant of moses mediated and governed by His law. Jews have thier own religion based on the law and prophets. Christians believe in the messiah who is promised by the jewish religion. they cant see that the prophets and law were never the answer, they were telling of the Messiah, who would be the answer.


the end of the Law, is coming to Jesus Christ that is its purpose. when we come to Jesus, we belong to the new covenant because through Jesus, we died to the immutable Law in order to free us from the surese and give us a better way. rather than God who tells the people " do not come anywhere near me or you must surely be stoned by the people" we have the true understanding of God, and He says " Come to me all who hear and believe in me, come close and learn from me, I am gentle and humble in Heart. I came to tell you, that God Loves you so Much, that He would suffer the shame and agonies of the cross to be close to you.


can you give me the reason why God says to the people of moses time " if you come near i will destroy you" and Jesus says " come near o me and I will save you and Heal you" or moses " if you do not properly wash and dress exactly as i have commanded you, i will destroy you" or Jesus " it is not unwashed hands that makes a man unclean, but lust and adultery and plots and shemes and hate in our hearts makes us unclean, not what we eat, or whether we wash in the ceremonial fashions.

the two doctrines are contrary, not from a different God, but Given to different people for a different purpose than is the Gospel. The law had to come first for salvation, but it cannot save a soul and give eternal Life, or can it overcome death. the Law came before the Gospel, because One tells the sinner " this is sin and you are guilty" and the Other says to the same sinner " yes you have sinned and are guilty, but i Love you so much, im suffering your penalty, Now you go and obey my Gospel. "


Moses = an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life" Jesus " turn the other cheek do not repay blow for bloe, insult for insult, bless those who curse you, forgive those who sin against you and do not take revenge. "

Moses taught the hardened sinners of exodus from egypt, Jesus came to save those who acknowledge thier need for salvation. the law is to make the world guilty before God, Jesus Gospel is to make the World clean and pure before God. the Law tells the sinner they are unworthy to live and be Gods people, the Gospel tells the sinner " come near to me I forgive you, believe in me Learn from me, repent and follow me into eternal Life" The Law tells the prodigal Son " you may not return Home you are worthy of death.......the Gospel tells the prodigal the Father is always waiting and watching for His children to turn and begin walking home,


part of One plan, but contrary by design. One is to make the sinner understand I have indeed sinned i cant be saved by the law, by anything i can do.......Oh what a wretch am I ! who can possibly save me from my sinful nature??? i thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord ...

for what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by our sinful nature, God did by sending His son to codemn sin, in sinful man. that the righteousness of the Law is met in us who follow the spirit and not the flesh "


Jesus offers a better covenant than Moses ,offers a better mediation of Gods Word. Jesus offers eternal Life, moses doesnt make that promise. Jesus offers resurrection after death, moses doesnt offer that promise, jesus has better promises than Moses, Jesus has better ways than Moses " stone each other for sin" or forgive each other and help each other carry thier burdens fulfilling the Law of Christ"

its just the truth friend, the law is like a foundation, it has to be built before the House is built, but we do not live under the foundation, we live in a finished House that sits upon a foundation that is necassary, Gods Plan includes the time before the law, during the law, and after the law leads on to Christ. the Goal is to be free from moses law, and walk in the law of the covenant without any grievance to us to do so, moses law is a burden not meant to be carried by Christians

 

[beta]

what is mediator authority?



You say mediator not make the law.

what left, change the law, or modified the law?"


yes exactly the Law changes with the mediator, understand that the " priesthood" has changed, the mediator has changed, and the Law has indeed changed from the things moses said, to the things Jesus Said. heres some scripture


hebrews 7 " If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law....V15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God...... v 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore."


as imperfect as moses, so is the law, as perfect as Jesus...so is the Gospel. again, it matters who the mediator is, in the times of the Law, Moses is thier Leader, the one who judges and rules over the people, is moses. Both God and the people chose moses for this honor. we are not those who were of this covenant of moses mediated and governed by His law. Jews have thier own religion based on the law and prophets. Christians believe in the messiah who is promised by the jewish religion. they cant see that the prophets and law were never the answer, they were telling of the Messiah, who would be the answer.


the end of the Law, is coming to Jesus Christ that is its purpose. when we come to Jesus, we belong to the new covenant because through Jesus, we died to the immutable Law in order to free us from the surese and give us a better way. rather than God who tells the people " do not come anywhere near me or you must surely be stoned by the people" we have the true understanding of God, and He says " Come to me all who hear and believe in me, come close and learn from me, I am gentle and humble in Heart. I came to tell you, that God Loves you so Much, that He would suffer the shame and agonies of the cross to be close to you.


can you give me the reason why God says to the people of moses time " if you come near i will destroy you" and Jesus says " come near o me and I will save you and Heal you" or moses " if you do not properly wash and dress exactly as i have commanded you, i will destroy you" or Jesus " it is not unwashed hands that makes a man unclean, but lust and adultery and plots and shemes and hate in our hearts makes us unclean, not what we eat, or whether we wash in the ceremonial fashions.

the two doctrines are contrary, not from a different God, but Given to different people for a different purpose than is the Gospel. The law had to come first for salvation, but it cannot save a soul and give eternal Life, or can it overcome death. the Law came before the Gospel, because One tells the sinner " this is sin and you are guilty" and the Other says to the same sinner " yes you have sinned and are guilty, but i Love you so much, im suffering your penalty, Now you go and obey my Gospel. "


Moses = an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life" Jesus " turn the other cheek do not repay blow for bloe, insult for insult, bless those who curse you, forgive those who sin against you and do not take revenge. "

Moses taught the hardened sinners of exodus from egypt, Jesus came to save those who acknowledge thier need for salvation. the law is to make the world guilty before God, Jesus Gospel is to make the World clean and pure before God. the Law tells the sinner they are unworthy to live and be Gods people, the Gospel tells the sinner " come near to me I forgive you, believe in me Learn from me, repent and follow me into eternal Life" The Law tells the prodigal Son " you may not return Home you are worthy of death.......the Gospel tells the prodigal the Father is always waiting and watching for His children to turn and begin walking home,


part of One plan, but contrary by design. One is to make the sinner understand I have indeed sinned i cant be saved by the law, by anything i can do.......Oh what a wretch am I ! who can possibly save me from my sinful nature??? i thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord ...

for what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by our sinful nature, God did by sending His son to codemn sin, in sinful man. that the righteousness of the Law is met in us who follow the spirit and not the flesh "


Jesus offers a better covenant than Moses ,offers a better mediation of Gods Word. Jesus offers eternal Life, moses doesnt make that promise. Jesus offers resurrection after death, moses doesnt offer that promise, jesus has better promises than Moses, Jesus has better ways than Moses " stone each other for sin" or forgive each other and help each other carry thier burdens fulfilling the Law of Christ"

its just the truth friend, the law is like a foundation, it has to be built before the House is built, but we do not live under the foundation, we live in a finished House that sits upon a foundation that is necassary, Gods Plan includes the time before the law, during the law, and after the law leads on to Christ. the Goal is to be free from moses law, and walk in the law of the covenant without any grievance to us to do so, moses law is a burden not meant to be carried by Christians

This is a great Post and I hope it will help Jackson and people like him to understand better !

 

[Jackson123]

what is mediator authority?



You say mediator not make the law.

what left, change the law, or modified the law?"


yes exactly the Law changes with the mediator, understand that the " priesthood" has changed, the mediator has changed, and the Law has indeed changed from the things moses said, to the things Jesus Said. heres some scripture


hebrews 7 " If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law....V15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God...... v 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore."


as imperfect as moses, so is the law, as perfect as Jesus...so is the Gospel. again, it matters who the mediator is, in the times of the Law, Moses is thier Leader, the one who judges and rules over the people, is moses. Both God and the people chose moses for this honor. we are not those who were of this covenant of moses mediated and governed by His law. Jews have thier own religion based on the law and prophets. Christians believe in the messiah who is promised by the jewish religion. they cant see that the prophets and law were never the answer, they were telling of the Messiah, who would be the answer.


the end of the Law, is coming to Jesus Christ that is its purpose. when we come to Jesus, we belong to the new covenant because through Jesus, we died to the immutable Law in order to free us from the surese and give us a better way. rather than God who tells the people " do not come anywhere near me or you must surely be stoned by the people" we have the true understanding of God, and He says " Come to me all who hear and believe in me, come close and learn from me, I am gentle and humble in Heart. I came to tell you, that God Loves you so Much, that He would suffer the shame and agonies of the cross to be close to you.


can you give me the reason why God says to the people of moses time " if you come near i will destroy you" and Jesus says " come near o me and I will save you and Heal you" or moses " if you do not properly wash and dress exactly as i have commanded you, i will destroy you" or Jesus " it is not unwashed hands that makes a man unclean, but lust and adultery and plots and shemes and hate in our hearts makes us unclean, not what we eat, or whether we wash in the ceremonial fashions.

the two doctrines are contrary, not from a different God, but Given to different people for a different purpose than is the Gospel. The law had to come first for salvation, but it cannot save a soul and give eternal Life, or can it overcome death. the Law came before the Gospel, because One tells the sinner " this is sin and you are guilty" and the Other says to the same sinner " yes you have sinned and are guilty, but i Love you so much, im suffering your penalty, Now you go and obey my Gospel. "


Moses = an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life" Jesus " turn the other cheek do not repay blow for bloe, insult for insult, bless those who curse you, forgive those who sin against you and do not take revenge. "

Moses taught the hardened sinners of exodus from egypt, Jesus came to save those who acknowledge thier need for salvation. the law is to make the world guilty before God, Jesus Gospel is to make the World clean and pure before God. the Law tells the sinner they are unworthy to live and be Gods people, the Gospel tells the sinner " come near to me I forgive you, believe in me Learn from me, repent and follow me into eternal Life" The Law tells the prodigal Son " you may not return Home you are worthy of death.......the Gospel tells the prodigal the Father is always waiting and watching for His children to turn and begin walking home,


part of One plan, but contrary by design. One is to make the sinner understand I have indeed sinned i cant be saved by the law, by anything i can do.......Oh what a wretch am I ! who can possibly save me from my sinful nature??? i thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord ...

for what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by our sinful nature, God did by sending His son to codemn sin, in sinful man. that the righteousness of the Law is met in us who follow the spirit and not the flesh "


Jesus offers a better covenant than Moses ,offers a better mediation of Gods Word. Jesus offers eternal Life, moses doesnt make that promise. Jesus offers resurrection after death, moses doesnt offer that promise, jesus has better promises than Moses, Jesus has better ways than Moses " stone each other for sin" or forgive each other and help each other carry thier burdens fulfilling the Law of Christ"

its just the truth friend, the law is like a foundation, it has to be built before the House is built, but we do not live under the foundation, we live in a finished House that sits upon a foundation that is necassary, Gods Plan includes the time before the law, during the law, and after the law leads on to Christ. the Goal is to be free from moses law, and walk in the law of the covenant without any grievance to us to do so, moses law is a burden not meant to be carried by Christians

that is why, After Jesus AS our mediator, we not follow sabbath law anymore, we are every day alike.

 

[Shamah]

the Law of moses, is called the Law of Moses and is seperate from the Gospel to me,

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

This is a great Post and I hope it will help Jackson and people like him to understand better !

Im glad you found value dear sister, God Loves you sooo a oooo a ooohhh much !!

 

[followjesus]

matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." <<<<

matthew 24: "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and inthe psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And ye are witnesses of these things. <<<<


exodus 20 " And God spake all these words, saying,2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

...God speaks the ten commandments, then
18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: ( <<the mosaic law) but let not God speak with us, lest we die."


deuteronomy 18 " According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. "

john 12: " He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken,the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

john 3 " He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

john 17:8 " For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me."

john 3 " If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. "

daniel 7 " I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

luke 1 " And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."


Isaiah 49:6 " And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

Isaiah 42: " Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
...v3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.4He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


5Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;"


7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.9Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."


matthew 12: But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; 16And charged them that they should not make him known: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.19He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.20A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.21And in his name shall the Gentiles trust."


matthew 4:12 " Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." << the light dawning

luke 16:16 " The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."


Jesus spoke Gods true wirds ti the world, moses is not the same as Jesus he actually was a witness to Jesus

 

[followjesus]

that is why, After Jesus AS our mediator, we not follow sabbath law anymore, we are every day alike.

that is why, After Jesus AS our mediator, we not follow sabbath law anymore, we are every day alike.


actually Moses didnt command the sabath, God spoke that Himself to the people. the ten commandments are not bound to the Law of moses. the fact that if you brake the sabbath you no do not get stoned to death has changed. and moses mediation of the sabbth law has also changed. in the mosaic Law if you stoke a fire, carry firewood, gather food ect you have broken the sabbath.

Our sabbath is observed through Jesus teachings. it is about doing the right thing it is lawful to do good, to help someone even if it requires you to do some work on a sabbath. Jesus taught us that the sabbath law is not more important than the man to God. the sabbath is created by God, for mankind. God commands us to rest from our labours in honor of His work creating all things. its actually a good thing make sure you rest at least a day out of a week. its good physically and spiritually we should also rest from our worries and cares of this life and look to our relationship with God on the sabbath.


Jesus didnt change the ten comandments, He gave us the true mediation of them, the true reason for them and understanding of them. the law of moses always was skewed with the belief God wanted to destroy them with His words. because of Jesus we Know God wills to save us and do us no harm. His words are the words we have to believe is all im saying. the sabbath, is something God gave to us, and calls it holy. i think probably if someone has an issue with the sabbath its because they want no law or rule over them. i cant imagine why we argue about the sabbath as peaople its a good thing to set a day of rest aside

in Christ we understand were not lost because we have to work some or get busy, because more than a rule in stone, God Loves the Man He gave that law to and for. Im not sure i see the issue with the sabbath commandment but others must. Jesus actually did things on the sabbth forbidden by the mosaic Law, and taught them to understand it rather than hold up a rule as salvation and Gods will. there is a sabbath for the soul in Christ, yet much left for us to do, with the power of His spirit living in us

 

[Jackson123]

that is why, After Jesus AS our mediator, we not follow sabbath law anymore, we are every day alike.


actually Moses didnt command the sabath, God spoke that Himself to the people. the ten commandments are not bound to the Law of moses. the fact that if you brake the sabbath you no do not get stoned to death has changed. and moses mediation of the sabbth law has also changed. in the mosaic Law if you stoke a fire, carry firewood, gather food ect you have broken the sabbath.

Our sabbath is observed through Jesus teachings. it is about doing the right thing it is lawful to do good, to help someone even if it requires you to do some work on a sabbath. Jesus taught us that the sabbath law is not more important than the man to God. the sabbath is created by God, for mankind. God commands us to rest from our labours in honor of His work creating all things. its actually a good thing make sure you rest at least a day out of a week. its good physically and spiritually we should also rest from our worries and cares of this life and look to our relationship with God on the sabbath.


Jesus didnt change the ten comandments, He gave us the true mediation of them, the true reason for them and understanding of them. the law of moses always was skewed with the belief God wanted to destroy them with His words. because of Jesus we Know God wills to save us and do us no harm. His words are the words we have to believe is all im saying. the sabbath, is something God gave to us, and calls it holy. i think probably if someone has an issue with the sabbath its because they want no law or rule over them. i cant imagine why we argue about the sabbath as peaople its a good thing to set a day of rest aside

in Christ we understand were not lost because we have to work some or get busy, because more than a rule in stone, God Loves the Man He gave that law to and for. Im not sure i see the issue with the sabbath commandment but others must. Jesus actually did things on the sabbth forbidden by the mosaic Law, and taught them to understand it rather than hold up a rule as salvation and Gods will. there is a sabbath for the soul in Christ, yet much left for us to do, with the power of His spirit living in us

so you believe It is ok to kindle fire oN sabbath, It is ok to help our family oN sabbath.

how about work at MC Donald oN sabbath to help our family to pay the Bill?

I know SDA doctor work in the hospital oN sabbath, and he get pay for his job, is that consider helping other?

He get pay, not free.

 

[followjesus]

so you believe It is ok to kindle fire oN sabbath, It is ok to help our family oN sabbath.

how about work at MC Donald oN sabbath to help our family to pay the Bill?

I know SDA doctor work in the hospital oN sabbath, and he get pay for his job, is that consider helping other?

He get pay, not free.

I simply believe that Jesus teaches us to keep the sabbath properly. its not about whether or not we are doing some work, but whether or not were doing good. but i am no ones judge or anything, i just believe the 4 gospels are the doctrine God sent to us for salvation. what we really have to understand is if i believe it is unlawful to sarry a load of wood on the sabbath, it is for me. but if my neighbor is carrying a load of wood to warm his family, i have no place telling him hes guilty because his Life is between Himself, Jesus, and God the Father. one more difference from the law and Gospel

in the law if you didnt know something was sin, and did it, you still are guilty and judged according to the Law.

but in the gospel, you are held accountable for what you know to be right and wrong.

those who are given more, more is expected and those given less, less is required. each of us truly has thier own relationship with the Son, and the Father because of Him. one of the reasons we receive the holy spirit, is so God can be right with us personally and intimately. so when we pray, we know He hears us because we have the spirit and that means he is with us. like them, we do not need go to the levitical preist, offer our sacrifices and then worship in the jewish temple before the ark.


all of that was teaching us about Jesus, we worship God wherever we are because of the spirit Jesus gave. a church building, our own bedroom, his presence is in the temple, and the temple is not what it was before

john 2 " Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body.

john 14 : 10 " Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

john 14 " If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

.....v 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."


i believe that each believer should learn the Lord Jesus words, and understand things His way for ourselves, when questions arise about is this lawful or that lawful, we can pray and seek His understandings and Know the truth. i think that is we would study and pray daily and sek to learn His word and will, that He will give us understanding we need at whatever place we may be at.


maybe just meeting Jesus, or have been walking a long time with him, whether struggling with repentance, or walking in victory over temptation, he always has the answers when we need them. i dont honestly see the issue with honoring the sabbath, a day set to honor the Lords Love and creation for us. i just dont think that it matter more to Him than the person He Loves. i would say if were working merely for money were rpobably not honoring the sabbath, if our neighbor needs help with something that rewuires work, we wouldnt be violating the sabbath.

it comes down to the persons motivations, the things in thier Heart that makes them guilty, or innocent. its the reason we can no longer judge one another. God is working in my life, in my Heart, and he is also working in your heart and life.....we are most likely not at the same place in our walk, or maturity, and God is understanding of what we need at the time we need it .


sometimes we need encouragement, sometimes rebuke, sometimes correction, sometimes assurance. ....it truly is a personal relationship now thanks to Jesus Christ. and we cant Hide our motives and things from Him he knows all of it now, how do we live in our conscience knowing that ?