Revelation 3:10

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Ellsworth1943

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Revelation 3:10---
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth".

According to many news outlets, in recent years many Christians have suffered horrible and violent deaths in the Middle East. Many are now living and dying in deplorable conditions in refugee camps.

If you had the opportunity to visit one of the camps, and were approached by a woman who told you how missionaries had came to her city, preached the Gospel, many were saved, baptized, and became part of the Church, how would you respond?

What is she also told you that the missionaries also told her how Jesus would some day return to the earth, but before that happened, He would pour out His wrath on the earth and those who lived on it.

What if she also told you the missionaries told her not to worry, Jesus loves His church, and before this terrible time comes, Jesus will come and rapture His church.

What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters. Many of us and our children are sick, hungry and dying.
We have suffered much. We have lost everything.

What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman?
 

Blain

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I would tell first how horrible it is of all that she has gone through and that God does indeed love her will always be there for her even in the darkness of this storm that she is facing. But that the hour of trial of which was spoken has not yet come and that these missionaries did not understand what they were teaching. The reasonable and most likely response from her would be a frantic and outraged rant about if this is true then why do have to suffer like this and where is this promise and why does God allow us to suffer so severely while you and your people live off the richness of the land.

And honestly in this case I am not sure I would have the words to speak
 
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OtherWay210

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I would tell her, that the missionaries, dont know the passage. And cause people already suffering
needless confusion. The Missionaries, may be deceived ,not knowing the scriptures.
So they did in effect lie .


The nature of the assult on the believer changes, from physical, to the soul, as lies and deception cause an apostasy .

As bad as death is, its not as serious as the second death, and that is what the tribulation is about .

To escape it, that church overcomes. They overcome, by having the true gospel taught by Christ ; even explaining what exactly they taught.
That is the only way to escape the hour of trail as your translation has it,
rather the hour of temptation would be better stated in the kjv,
because that is what the trail is about, temptation. Read Matthew 24,
they are delivered for trail, Christ does not remove them from it. They escape being deceived by death himself, ( Hebrews 2:14 ) by allowing the Holy Spirit ( God ) to speak through them.

They escape deception by not being deceived . They are told before the fact. THAT IS WHY Revelation was given.
therefor they dont apostatize.
 
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Blain

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I would tell her, that the missionaries, dont know the passage. And cause people already suffering more
needless confusion. The Missionaries, may be deceived ,not knowing the scriptures.
So they did in effect lie .


The nature of the assult on the believer changes, from physical, to the soul, as lies and deception cause an apostasy .

As bad as death is, its not as serious as the second death, and that is what the tribulation is about .

To escape it, that church overcomes. They overcome, by having the truth gospel. That is the only way to escapse the hour of trail as your translation has it, rather the hour of temptation would be better as its stated in the kjv, because that is what the trail is about, temptation. Read Matthew 24, they are delivered for trail, Christ does not remove them from it. They escape being deceived by death himself, ( Hebrews 2:14 ) by allowing the Holy Spirit ( God ) to speak through them.

They escape deception by not being deceived . They are told before the fact. THAT IS WHY Revelation was given.
therefor they dont apostatize.
I don't think that is something you should tell a person who has already gone through hell lost everything and experienced more of the tribulation to come than most us will ever have to in these days of easy living. Even if your speaking the truth you cannot just bluntly say these things to such a person who already is at the breaking point of sanity from her sufferings. A person like this desperately needs hope who needs to know that all the hell she has seen and gone through was not for nothing.

I mean put yourself in her shoes if you have gone through the absolute most horrific things and lost so many loved ones and are at the brink of your own sanity from the massive amount of suffering that you have had do endure and are still suffering severely internally from only to be told oh I'm sorry for your severe sufferings but you will have to go through even worse things and most likely have to face death. A person who has gone through all of this could have a mental breakdown or could lost all hope in everything including God and think death is better than this life and kill themselves.
 
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OtherWay210

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To: Blain

The passage posted in the OP is the focus .

And the fact the missionaries lied to begin with .


Should a Christian hear Gods words ?
Gods words is all people need to hear:
Not vain platitudes of men .


Its precisely because of ignorance,
that they are confused to begin with.
Lying to them further, wont help anyone .

Had those missionary's understood scriptures,
and actually comfort people from scripture ; they'd be a lot better off, then hearing half truths and just ignorant lies.
 
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OtherWay210

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Keep in mind they are telling these people about a rapture
that does Not exist in scriptures .....
 

Blain

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To: Blain

The passage posted in the OP is the focus .

And the fact the missionaries lied to begin with .


Should a Christian hear Gods words ?
Gods words is all people need to hear:
Not vain platitudes of men .


Its precisely because of ignorance,
that they are confused to begin with.
Lying to them further, wont help anyone .

Had those missionary's understood scriptures,
and actually comfort people from scripture ; they'd be a lot better off, then hearing half truths and just ignorant lies.
I was on focus and was speaking of the passage of the op and I never said to lie to her I said you cannot bluntly tell her that. A message is only as powerful as the way it is delivered and if you try to deliver it like that even with pure intentions the consequences could be severe. This is why not everyone is called to minister because you cannot only take the facts of the message your giving you have take into consideration other factors like I did above.

If you are to give a message like that you have to give it in a way that will give them hope and strengthen them otherwise you very well could be the reason a broken soul committed suicide
 
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OtherWay210

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To: Blain
I really dont care if you were on focus,
you should have kept your focus on the thread rather than direct your frustrations at me .
Im not replying to your comments.


I didnt comment to debate.
 

Blain

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To: Blain
I really dont care if you were on focus,
you should have kept your focus on the thread rather than direct your frustrations at me .
Im not replying to your comments.


I didnt comment to debate.
They weren't frustrations I was merely explaining to you why you cannot just bluntly say that. I apologize if I upset you
 
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OtherWay210

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I was not ; posing my response to war torn refuges.
I was just commenting on the first verse posted above.
Im responding from a different angle, to get at the root of misuse of scripture.

Naturally i would not go off on a bible thumping rant ; with people dodging bullets and bombs..
Its just a thread..

No harm done .
 
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valiant

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I would point out that the promise is to a first century church which was so delivered (after commiserating her).
 

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I'm fascinated by the mystery of God, and we know His Grace is sufficient: nothing shall by any means harm you if you believe. Neither death, this life or any creature, nothing shall separate us from the Love of God: suffering does not harm us. Since nothing shall by any means harm us as we believe and rely on His Grace to continue in Love, I look forward to the time of trouble such as never was and the revival during that time. Facing trouble builds godly character and I understand the third world war begins this year, at least we wont feel sorry that we are left out of suffering to grow in Love anymore. And I hope you and others feel better also that we wont be left out of opportunity to grow in Love. Consider that being kept from the time of trouble could be kept from the affluence that Laodicea lived in Revelation 3:15. The Lord was knocking at the door of that church: the knocking can be interpreted as the time of trouble to wake us up. I'm not the first to interpret like this, it was people who were tortured for their faith who said I bore my cross will you be able to bear yours in prosperity. "Yet once more will shake heaven and earth that the things that can be shaken will be removed: so that we inherit a Kingdom that can't be shaken." This is in my own words from memory feel free to correct mistakes, I don't claim to know what I'm talking about and neither should we.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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This isn't a recent development, the church has been heavily persecuted in many parts of the world for many centuries.
 

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Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

Jesus did not promise you a rose garden. If you will reign with Him you will suffer with Him.

For the cause of Christ
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This is the interpretation of Revelation 3:10,and it has nothing to do with persecution,or the saints being violated,but of a decision point of all people of the world.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This temptation shall come upon all the earth,and is near the time when God ends this sin business on earth,and God will give the world a certain amount of time to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The decision point is when the nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth,but Paul said the saints in the truth will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not the operation of God and will lead to the beast kingdom,which Jesus will deliver those in the truth from that temptation that shall come upon the whole world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

People who claim Christ but are hypocritical will be tempted when the world comes together,and many will make the decision to stay with God,and many shall depart from the faith and give heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on evolution,and the resurrection does not happen before the nations come together,and that will cause the faith of many to fail.

The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period for the first half repentance and salvation is still available to the world,and the saints will remain on earth,then the last half the beast has power to rule,and persecutes the saints.

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Multitudes in the valley of decision,for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision,and the time for God to fight the world that made the wrong decision to follow the beast kingdom.

As far as saints suffering from the world that has been going on for years,and if God delivered them from every persecution,and suffering,no saint in the truth would not of had any trouble,and if God did deliver them from trouble,that is not a guarantee for the hypocrites that would not have the protection of God,and the Bible says there will be many hypocrites at the end time.

And when the beast makes war against the saints God said do not fight back,for however you fight back it will come back on you,and you are acting like the world that fights physically for their beliefs.

I would answer this woman to stay with God,and if trouble happens,trouble will happen as it does the world whether they claim Christ or not,and it is only the physical body,and no matter what happens,whether killed,tortured,raped,did not Jesus put up with great persecution,torture,verbal abuse,and hung on a cross.

Which God said you have not yet resisted unto blood like Jesus,and if He could take it then you can too by the Spirit,which if persecuted by the world whatever it is and you abide in the truth,the Spirit will strengthen you like Christ and your attitude will be different,and you will say to the world bring it don't sing it,like Paul that said he is ready to be delivered.

We are not to care about this physical body,and what the world dishes out against it,but stay with God,and what can you say for whether saint or of the world they will suffer troubles,and if God delivered them from all troubles no saint would of ever suffered whatever it is.

But the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period,and the tribulation is not until the last three and one half years,and for people that say it is the time of Jacob's trouble,all Gentiles that are saved become a Jew inward,and part of the commonwealth of Israel,so they are part of Jacob,and the beast makes war against all who keep the commandments of God,and the testimony of Jesus,and persecutes the woman Israel,who had the man child,Jesus,which is all the saints Jew and Gentile will be persecuted,and when the beast makes war against the saints the nation of Israel has not come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah yet,but there will be some but the majority of the Jews are not in the truth yet,but the 2 witnesses only started witnessing to them.

And Revelation 3:10 has nothing to do with persecution but of a decision point for the whole world to stay with Jesus,or turn to Jesus,or follow the new age interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature.

The saints might suffer for being with Christ from the world,but they might suffer and it has nothing to do with Christ.

What can we say when saints,or people that heard of Jesus suffer and they say why did you preach the love of Jesus,and we suffer,when the love of Jesus is giving His human body as a sacrifice to take away our sins,and Jesus said the saints will suffer,and not to worry about the physical body for some may have troubles.

2Co 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

What can we say to this woman when the Bible says the saints will suffer whatever it is,but of course someone new to hearing Jesus might not understand,but they need to understand that it is not a guarantee that they will not suffer physical abuse whatever it is.

It is like people that believe that God blesses with material things,and money,for their wants,but Paul said if they preach that withdraw yourself from them,having food and clothing be content,and if they do go by their wants which neglects the poor and needy Paul said they are nothing,and have erred from the faith,and James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them.

And so it is that some people think they will not suffer physical abuse whatever it is,but the Bible does not guarantee that either,and if they are not in the truth being hypocritical they do not have the protection of God if He was going to deliver them from persecution.

Did no saint ever suffer any physical abuse in the history of the Church,and that should answer the question,which many did suffer physical abuse.
 

Ahwatukee

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Greetings MattForJesus,

This is the interpretation of Revelation 3:10,and it has nothing to do with persecution, or the saints being violated, but of a decision point of all people of the world.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This temptation shall come upon all the earth, and is near the time when God ends this sin business on earth, and God will give the world a certain amount of time to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.
Rev.3:10 is written to the church of Philadelphia and to all believers who also keep the patience of His word. To be clear, this promise is not to unbelievers, but to believers. It means exactly what it says, that for believers who keep the patience of his word, he will keep them out of that hour of trial, which is referring to the time of God's wrath. Obviously it can only be applied to those believers living just before that hour trial begins, which is the time of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and the beasts kingdom. Jesus speaks of that same time period in Luke 21:34-36:


"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

Notice in the scripture above Jesus says "that day will close on you suddenly like a trap," which is referring to that "hour of trial" in Rev.3:10 which Jesus says he will keep us out of.

The way in which the Lord is going to keep us out of that time of trial, is by coming to gather us and take us back to the Father's house as promised in John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-18.

Once again, since God's wrath no longer rests on those in Christ, then He will keep us out of that hour of trial by gathering us from the earth.
 

Ahwatukee

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Revelation 3:10---
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth".

According to many news outlets, in recent years many Christians have suffered horrible and violent deaths in the Middle East. Many are now living and dying in deplorable conditions in refugee camps.

If you had the opportunity to visit one of the camps, and were approached by a woman who told you how missionaries had came to her city, preached the Gospel, many were saved, baptized, and became part of the Church, how would you respond?

What is she also told you that the missionaries also told her how Jesus would some day return to the earth, but before that happened, He would pour out His wrath on the earth and those who lived on it.

What if she also told you the missionaries told her not to worry, Jesus loves His church, and before this terrible time comes, Jesus will come and rapture His church.

What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters. Many of us and our children are sick, hungry and dying.
We have suffered much. We have lost everything.

What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman?
Hello Ellsworth,

Your error is what I have mentioned to you previously. The trials and tribulations that Jesus said all believers would experience come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness and is still in operation to this very day. However, the wrath of God, also known as the day of the Lord and the hour of trial, will be God's direct wrath upon this earth and it will be like nothing the world has ever seen.

Your error is that you don't differentiate between the two. For example above you said:

"What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters."

The scenario above would be representing the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would have but is not the wrath of God. You're misapplying common trials and tribulation with the time of God's wrath.

From the time of the beginning of the church until now, believers are still exposed to those trials and tribulations which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But a time is coming where the church will be "kept out of" that time of wrath by the Lord appearing and our being gathered prior to that hour of trial, the time of God's unprecedented wrath.

To answer your question above:

"What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman? [/quote]

I would tell her:

"what you have experienced was not the hour of trial but are the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have. The hour of trial is a time period when God is going to directly pour out his wrath upon a Christ rejecting world leading up to his return to the earth to end the age. That time of wrath has not yet come and therefore what you have experienced was not the time of God's wrath but common trials and tribulation"

When Stephan was stoned and killed, he did not say "God I thought you were going to keep us out of the hour of trial!" Because what he suffered was from being persecuted for his testimony of Jesus and the word of God. He was not suffering from the hour of trial, the wrath of God.

So you need to keep in mind that there is a huge difference between the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would suffer, which is on-going vs. God's coming wrath, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is what Jesus is going to keep believers out of.

Regarding this, as believers we should always be ready to be persecuted and even be prepared to be put to death while keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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Hello Ellsworth,

Your error is what I have mentioned to you previously. The trials and tribulations that Jesus said all believers would experience come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness and is still in operation to this very day. However, the wrath of God, also known as the day of the Lord and the hour of trial, will be God's direct wrath upon this earth and it will be like nothing the world has ever seen.

Your error is that you don't differentiate between the two. For example above you said:

"What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters."

The scenario above would be representing the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would have but is not the wrath of God. You're misapplying common trials and tribulation with the time of God's wrath.

From the time of the beginning of the church until now, believers are still exposed to those trials and tribulations which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But a time is coming where the church will be "kept out of" that time of wrath by the Lord appearing and our being gathered prior to that hour of trial, the time of God's unprecedented wrath.

To answer your question above:

"What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman?
I would tell her:

"what you have experienced was not the hour of trial but are the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have. The hour of trial is a time period when God is going to directly pour out his wrath upon a Christ rejecting world leading up to his return to the earth to end the age. That time of wrath has not yet come and therefore what you have experienced was not the time of God's wrath but common trials and tribulation"

When Stephan was stoned and killed, he did not say "God I thought you were going to keep us out of the hour of trial!" Because what he suffered was from being persecuted for his testimony of Jesus and the word of God. He was not suffering from the hour of trial, the wrath of God.

So you need to keep in mind that there is a huge difference between the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would suffer, which is on-going vs. God's coming wrath, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is what Jesus is going to keep believers out of.

Regarding this, as believers we should always be ready to be persecuted and even be prepared to be put to death while keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God.[/QUOTE]

So you would tell this lady that everything she was taught by the missionaries was correct but she just misunderstands what has happened to her and her family.
You would tell her that the promise to rapture the church so they will not suffer God's wrath will be kept.
I guess it was just her family's bad luck that they will not benefit from that promise.

I am sure that will increase her faith and ease the pain she is suffering.

This is not what you claim I do not understand, it is about people suffering after being told they would not.
 

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Revelation 3:10---
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth".

According to many news outlets, in recent years many Christians have suffered horrible and violent deaths in the Middle East. Many are now living and dying in deplorable conditions in refugee camps.

If you had the opportunity to visit one of the camps, and were approached by a woman who told you how missionaries had came to her city, preached the Gospel, many were saved, baptized, and became part of the Church, how would you respond?

What is she also told you that the missionaries also told her how Jesus would some day return to the earth, but before that happened, He would pour out His wrath on the earth and those who lived on it.

What if she also told you the missionaries told her not to worry, Jesus loves His church, and before this terrible time comes, Jesus will come and rapture His church.

What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters. Many of us and our children are sick, hungry and dying.
We have suffered much. We have lost everything.

What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman?
If you had the opportunity to visit one of the camps, and were approached by a woman who told you how missionaries had came to her city, preached the Gospel, many were saved, baptized, and became part of the Church, how would you respond?

If those missionaries taught those people they had to be baptized to be saved, then they were teaching a false Gospel. I pray they were saved before they were told wrongly.

The Hour of Trial is spoken of a GOD's Wrath not Man's. God's Wrath starts at Seal 6. The first four Horsemen are man's doing even though God has sanctioned it. The first being the anti-christ who is given an empty bow to conquer without killing. The second is again man's doings where the evilness of man not seen until now (the removal of the restraining by the restrainer (Holy Spirit)). Man against man, gang wars, etc. The Third is a result of #2. The economy hits the sinkhole with the exception of those Elites that can afford the Oil and Wine. Everyone else has a very hard time eating and finding safety. The Fourth is War, the world type of war that Kills many. The fifth we see the result of the previous four with the martyred saints Under the Altar.

The sixth seal brings on supernatural happenings. The kings and rich people who have survived the WAR by being underground, no find the underground caverns a casket. GOD's Wrath.

While the 7th seal gives us a vision of the Angels that have the seven Trumpets but it tells us something else.. It is Silent in Heaven..??????Does this refer to noises like the those from unknown sources, we have been experiencing around the world
recently????????



 

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Revelation 3:10---
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth".

According to many news outlets, in recent years many Christians have suffered horrible and violent deaths in the Middle East. Many are now living and dying in deplorable conditions in refugee camps.

If you had the opportunity to visit one of the camps, and were approached by a woman who told you how missionaries had came to her city, preached the Gospel, many were saved, baptized, and became part of the Church, how would you respond?

What is she also told you that the missionaries also told her how Jesus would some day return to the earth, but before that happened, He would pour out His wrath on the earth and those who lived on it.

What if she also told you the missionaries told her not to worry, Jesus loves His church, and before this terrible time comes, Jesus will come and rapture His church.

What is the woman than said, the bombs came and destroyed my city, the soldiers came and killed our sons and husbands and mutilated their bodies, they raped me and our daughters. Many of us and our children are sick, hungry and dying.
We have suffered much. We have lost everything.

What if she then asked you---
Why did the missionaries lie to us about Jesus love and that "He would keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why did Jesus not keep his promise to "keep us from the hour of trial"?
Why has God forsaken us, while the rest of Jesus Church is not suffering?

How would you answer this woman?
While Nathan Wheeler suffers, he encourages the believers is Jesus Christ (Yeshua) to not be surprised by the trials and sufferings we MUST endure. God's grace is sufficient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8K34C6oPak