Why did the Pharisees hate Christ?

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louis said:
Yes, they did ask for a sign, but that is hardly a reason for their intense hatred towards the Lord.
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I think it was the only reason making the faith principle in respect to the faith of Christ without effect.Refusing to recognize the rent veil was a sign they were the antichrists.

Because they did walk by sight requiring a sign before they would exercise faith (which the scriptures call no faith) seeing it is in respect to the things of men seen and not God things of God not seen (no faith) according to the three avenues of the god of this world .



1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

They wanted to be the outward sign (the rent veil) that men who have faith in respect to .


Its why they wanted to kill him as the out of sight out of mind gospel of men.Even the apostles were confused that way for a while. Christ declared to them when discussing who were the us in Christ and who were those that went out from the true us. Christ declared they did not know what manner of spirit they were of. It was the spirit of the Pharisees with Sadducee's .

Two sects having different theology but coming to together as one force to try and mend the rent veil...the witness Christ had come.
 
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Shamah said:
Where did you say "made their own Law/religion"? I would say it is implied but not expressly written. I think a fact that important should be expressly stated and shown.


With you calling me a pharisee and lawyer very often, and myself only proclaiming that the Laws are YHWH are valid and to be obeyed I find need for clarification.


Do you agree that it is of vital importance to mention, teach and know they had their own religion not based in the "Old Testament" but based on their own ways?


As many people to seem to think that the Pharisees problem was "they kept that darned old law" Which they did not. While none here have stated that, do not many people/Christians think and teach that?
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First and foremost you constantly push to keep that which man cannot keep.....do you keep the law...YES or NO? Before you answer you must keep the entire law 24/7/365 your whole life.....if you have broken 1 (one) of the least you are guilty of being a law breaker...so I ask again....Have you or do you keep the LAW? The law deems GUILT and points to the CURE JESUS.....it was never designed to make one righteous before GOD.....that is why I equate you to a lawyer or Pharisee.....because you constantly point men to that which they cannot keep.....instead of pointing men to JESUS which is the cure...most if NOT all of your posts deal with LAW and very seldom do you point to grace......

Look...I don't dislike you and have liked things you have said.....I think you have gone to seed on the law over grace and sometimes you come off with the same demeanor that the Pharisees and lawyers had.......

The word THIER pointed to that which was not of GOD......


Originally Posted by dcontroversal
They were jealous, assumed he would take their place away, and he openly rebuked and put to light and shame their false, self serving, self righteous, keep themselves saved false, anti-truth, anti-God hypocritical dogma........
 
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Waggles said:
They were running a pretty good money making racket,
and along comes Jesus and turns their whole worldly legalistic
religion upside down.
Try challenging the mafia or the system and see if you
can get away with it.
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Yes, they loved the way of the world, and Christ was turning that world upside down.
 
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garee said:
I think it was the only reason making the faith principle in respect to the faith of Christ without effect.Refusing to recognize the rent veil was a sign they were the antichrists.

Because they did walk by sight requiring a sign before they would exercise faith (which the scriptures call no faith) seeing it is in respect to the things of men seen and not God things of God not seen (no faith) according to the three avenues of the god of this world .



1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

They wanted to be the outward sign (the rent veil) that men who have faith in respect to .


Its why they wanted to kill him as the out of sight out of mind gospel of men.Even the apostles were confused that way for a while. Christ declared to them when discussing who were the us in Christ and who were those that went out from the true us. Christ declared they did not know what manner of spirit they were of. It was the spirit of the Pharisees with Sadducee's .

Two sects having different theology but coming to together as one force to try and mend the rent veil...the witness Christ had come.
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But even Christ gave them the parable of the rich man who died and went to hell, and that even he returned from the dead, to inform his brethren what awaited them, they would not believe. The Pharisees were therefore not provided any sign when the Lord was among them because they were totally faithless. They did not believe even after Christ was resurrected after 3 days in the belly of the earth.
 
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God's plan was a mystery to all but Jesus and the disciples. it was necessary for God to blind the Pharisees, the Jews, and satan as well in order for them to hate and crucify Jesus. If any had believed He was the Messiah, He wouldn't have been put to death and therefore would not have won against the grave through His resurrection.
You can certainly read in the Word of the mysteries and the blinding for yourself.
 
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Jealousy......!
 
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dcontroversal said:
First and foremost you constantly push to keep that which man cannot keep.....do you keep the law...YES or NO? Before you answer you must keep the entire law 24/7/365 your whole life.....if you have broken 1 (one) of the least you are guilty of being a law breaker...so I ask again....Have you or do you keep the LAW? The law deems GUILT and points to the CURE JESUS.....it was never designed to make one righteous before GOD.....that is why I equate you to a lawyer or Pharisee.....because you constantly point men to that which they cannot keep.....instead of pointing men to JESUS which is the cure...most if NOT all of your posts deal with LAW and very seldom do you point to grace......

Look...I don't dislike you and have liked things you have said.....I think you have gone to seed on the law over grace and sometimes you come off with the same demeanor that the Pharisees and lawyers had.......

The word THIER pointed to that which was not of GOD......


Originally Posted by dcontroversal
They were jealous, assumed he would take their place away, and he openly rebuked and put to light and shame their false, self serving, self righteous, keep themselves saved false, anti-truth, anti-God hypocritical dogma........
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Hello,

Yes, we should point people to Jesus.

But remember, Jesus points us to the law also!

1. Mt. 5:19
2. Mt. 5:20
3. Mt. 7:21-23
4. Mt. 13:41-42
5. Mt. 22:37
6. Mt. 23:2-3,23
7. Mt. 23:34

Note Mt. 23:34, where Jesus sends forth TORAH-TEACHERS (Gr. "grammateus") to properly represent Jesus' Torah-upholding Torah-teaching ministry.

So sure, none of us obeys the law flawlessly...but that's no excuse to disobey the law.

Thus, Paul urges us to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS (1 Cor. 7:19) which, of course, are contained in the written Torah of Moses (1 Ki. 2:3).

Anyway....just wanted to jump into this discussion with these few points here...

blessings to you all...
 
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louis said:
I would like to get some specific responses as to why the Pharisees hated Christ so much.
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IMO,It was because they wanted to be known as GOD’s true representatives but they were much more wrong than the gentiles.
The gentiles were thinking wrong AND doing wrong whereas the Pharisees were thinking wrong but appearing to men to be good as If GOD didn’t know the truth.

TRUTH came by JESUS,so then the TRUTH was magnified to the Inward man and thats what GOD Is looking at.

Remember where the bible said that the pharisees were doing the same thing as the gentiles,It was talking about not acting holy on the outside and being full of dead mans bones on the Inside but after GOD does a work In the person they will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure.
 
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Dan58 said:
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I agree, Jesus was drawing some pretty big crowds and cutting into their revenue stream
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Talk about cutting to the bone.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Matt.23:28
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
IMO,It was because they wanted to be known as GOD’s true representatives but they were much more wrong than the gentiles.
The gentiles were thinking wrong AND doing wrong whereas the Pharisees were thinking wrong but appearing to men to be good as If GOD didn’t know the truth.

TRUTH came by JESUS,so then the TRUTH was magnified to the Inward man and thats what GOD Is looking at.

Remember where the bible said that the pharisees were doing the same thing as the gentiles,It was talking about not acting holy on the outside and being full of dead mans bones on the Inside but after GOD does a work In the person they will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure.
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Yes, the pharisees were phonies who feigned faith in the Lord with their long robes and their long prayers in order to be seen by people and receive some monetary reward from the people seeing their feigned worship. In effect the pharisees were as faithless if not more faithless than the most faithless gentile.

But what has this to do with their intense hatred for someone who travelled around like an impoverished vagabond?
Why would the Pharisees and scribes who had all the worlds good things in life despise someone who didn't have all they had?
 
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Jesus said the scribes and Pharisees would cheat widow's out of their houses leaving them destitute. Matt.23:14
 
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louis said:
Yes, the pharisees were phonies who feigned faith in the Lord with their long robes and their long prayers in order to be seen by people and receive some monetary reward from the people seeing their feigned worship. In effect the pharisees were as faithless if not more faithless than the most faithless gentile.

But what has this to do with their intense hatred for someone who travelled around like an impoverished vagabond?
Why would the Pharisees and scribes who had all the worlds good things in life despise someone who didn't have all they had?
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They wanted to be known as GOD’s true representatives thinking that GOD would look at them the same way men would look at them and not see their hearts.
 
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Pride, Jesus was not trained in the schools of the rabbis and was loved by the people more than the Priests, = jealousy.

They missed the boat (didn't notice the long expected messier), and God choose people like fishermen rather than the religious leaders and that meant that God didn't see them as worthy which meant they were humbled or had to reject Jesus.
 
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Hypocrite =
someone who says they have particular moral beliefs but behaves in a way that shows these are not sincere:
Jesus obeyed the law sincerely and for the right reason, The pharisees obeyed for the wrong reason (to earn salvation, and the praise of man), and even didn't obey in some ways.
 
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Shamah said:
Do you agree that it is of vital importance to mention, teach and know they had their own religion not based in the "Old Testament" but based on their own ways?
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Actually it is still the problem with the Jewish religion till this day.
It is based on a plethora of rabbinic teachings and rabbinic schools.
The Talmud now rivals the Encycopaedia Britannica in volumes; a
never ending process of legalistic scrutiny of the Law.

Jews subscribe to a favourite and 'respected' rabbi - somewhat similar
to 'Christians' subscribing to a favourite TV evangelist ministry.

And the problem for our Jewish cousins is that they still deny Jesus
as their Messiah and Isaiah 53.
As for the Talmud and other rabbinic teachings there are many open
blasphemies against Jesus as a man, his birth, his ministry to Israel.
 
dcontroversal

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BibleGuy said:
Hello,

Yes, we should point people to Jesus.

But remember, Jesus points us to the law also!

1. Mt. 5:19
2. Mt. 5:20
3. Mt. 7:21-23
4. Mt. 13:41-42
5. Mt. 22:37
6. Mt. 23:2-3,23
7. Mt. 23:34

Note Mt. 23:34, where Jesus sends forth TORAH-TEACHERS (Gr. "grammateus") to properly represent Jesus' Torah-upholding Torah-teaching ministry.

So sure, none of us obeys the law flawlessly...but that's no excuse to disobey the law.

Thus, Paul urges us to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS (1 Cor. 7:19) which, of course, are contained in the written Torah of Moses (1 Ki. 2:3).

Anyway....just wanted to jump into this discussion with these few points here...

blessings to you all...
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Why is it that MOST will not recognize and or acknowledge the following truth and then interpret the words of JESUS in light of this truth....

I have a question......

JESUS was born, lived and died UNDER the LAW which RATIFIED WHAT EXACTLY?

answer.....THE NEW COVENANT!

UNTIL HIS DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION HIS WORDS HAD TO REFLECT THE LAW.....

WAKE UP TO THE BOLDED TRUTH.
 
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louis said:
I would like to get some specific responses as to why the Pharisees hated Christ so much.
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He called them out on their hyprocrisy and told them they were white washed tombs, blind and deaf ,
 
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louis said:
I would like to get some specific responses as to why the Pharisees hated Christ so much.
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because God spoke it beforehand that they would Hate Him without reason. everything that occurs in the Gospel is a fulfillment of prophecies beforehand. Jesus being despised and rejected by Men, being hated and condemned without a reason, the apostles scattering when He was arrested and Left alone, Jesus dying on the cross, those around Him insulting Him, them offering Him vinegar to drink, them casting lots for His garments while he suffered, His miraculous virgin birth, the birth and ministry of John the baptist, the baptism of Jesus, the Ministry of Jesus, the Miracles of Jesus Him choosing the aposrtles, all the congregation of Israel gathering to Kill Him at passover, both Gentil and Jew would be respoinsible for His death...ect


They Hated Jesus because He is the Son of the Living God, the Christ whom all the prophets beforehand spoke of. and they were chldren of the devil. they were darkness, He is Light. " and the Light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehends it not"

they hated Jesus because thier deeds were evil, and they had no room for His word. they already " Knew" the truth, and Jesus was telling them, naw, you havent Heard what Im saying listen to me, Like God spoke from Heaven and said

lUKE 9:35 " And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

When Jesus told them " anyone who keeps my word will never taste of death" they accused Him of having a devil because they didnt Know what Moses said in (euteronomy 18:15-19 and what peter knew in acts 3:22-25 and what Jeus said time and time over, that He is the One God sent to speak the truth of Gods Word, to the world beginning at Jerusalem, and sent to the world through the apostles scattering.

there is no reason they Hated Jesus john 15
21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. 23He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25But>>>>>> this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.<<<<<<
26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Why is it that MOST will not recognize and or acknowledge the following truth and then interpret the words of JESUS in light of this truth....

I have a question......

JESUS was born, lived and died UNDER the LAW which RATIFIED WHAT EXACTLY?

answer.....THE NEW COVENANT!

UNTIL HIS DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION HIS WORDS HAD TO REFLECT THE LAW.....

WAKE UP TO THE BOLDED TRUTH.
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Hello,

Jesus' words BEFORE the resurrection apply to all disciples AFTER the resurrection (mt. 28:20).

The New Covenant involves TORAH placed into your heart so that you will OBEY it (Jer. 31:33), not pretend it is abolished or inapplicable.

Blessings to you.
 
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