How To Be Un-Saved

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I post scripture, & you post....... rants.

All rants do is maybe make you-ins feel better.

That's my 'experience' with rednecks, anyway.
riiiiiiiiiight


BTW, Saying I live by the Law is a lie.

Strawman much?
i didnt say you

the only one i named specifically is LGF

i just see you as in error....

because your unwillingness to accept reproof

and your inability to see what this verse or whole chapter is saying

but ok


here are some quick questions

1. How many of your sins does the sacrifice of Jesus cover if you are indeed born again and given a new heart?
(kills the sin all you want strawman because you have a new heart that doesnt WANT to live in sin)

2. what do you have to do to be born again?
(please dont take away or add to this)

3. If you are born of God and a new creature, with His seed remaining in you ...can you ever lose salvation?

What's a shame is you can only parrot the other parrots of OSAS.

SQUAWK!!!

Peat & repeat.
are you offended?
you seem like it...

you addressed zero of the points i made

so i posted it again
 
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Hi NNM,

I am not a commentary fan over the Word of God so that is why I have tried to share God's Word with you earlier. Maybe the commentaries may help your interpretation of Hebrews 10:26-27 if I cannot. Here is what all the major commentaries say. It seems they disagree with your interpretation of God's Word.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers


(26) For.—The connecting links are the thought of the consequences to which such sinful neglect (Hebrews 10:25) may lead, and the awful revelation of judgment which the final day will bring. Even more clearly than in Hebrews 6:4-6 the state described is one of wilful and continued sin, which is the result and the expression of apostasy from Christ. It is not, “If we fall under temptation and commit sin;” but, “If we are sinning wilfully.” The descriptive words are few as compared with those of the former passage, but they teach the same lesson. Not merely the “knowledge” but the “full knowledge” (Romans 1:28) of the truth has been received by those to whom the writer here makes reference; they have been “sanctified in the blood of the covenant” (Hebrews 10:29). For such “there remaineth no longer a sacrifice for sins:” that offering of Jesus which they deliberately reject has abolished all the earlier sacrifices. The observances and ceremonies of Judaism, which had been full of meaning whilst they pointed to Him that was to come, have lost all their virtue through His coming. Nay more: for such sin as this, the sin of knowing and wilful rejection of the only Sin offering, God has provided no other sacrifice. In its general significance this passage does not differ from Hebrews 6:4-6. (See the Notes.)

Benson Commentary


Hebrews 10:26-27. For, &c. — As if he had said, It concerns us to use all means to ensure our perseverance, because apostacy is so dangerous; if we — Any of us Christians; sin wilfully — By total apostacy from God; (see on Hebrews 6:4;) after we have received the knowledge of the truth — As it is in Jesus, namely, an experimental and practical knowledge thereof, so as to have been made free thereby from the guilt and power of sin; there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins — None but that which we obstinately reject. “As the apostle, in the former part of the epistle, had proved that the sacrifices of the law were all abolished, and that the only sacrifice for sin remaining was the sacrifice of Christ, it followed that apostates, who wilfully renounced the benefit of that sacrifice, had no sacrifice for sin whatever remaining to them.” But a certain fearful looking for — Φοβερα δε τις εκδοχη, a kind of fearful expectation: intimating something inexpressible, such as no heart could conceive or tongue describe. Thus St. Peter, 1 Epist. 1 Peter 4:17-18, What shall be the end of them who obey not the gospel? Where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Of judgment and fiery indignation. The apostle refers both to the final judgment of the great day, when apostates from the religion of Jesus, as well as those who obstinately rejected it, shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, &c., 2 Thessalonians 1:9; and also to the dreadful and fiery indignation which God was about to bring on the unbelieving and obstinate Jews, in the total destruction of their city and temple by sword and fire, devouring them, as adversaries to God and his Christ, of all others the most inexcusable. The reader should observe that the apostle lays it down here as certain, that God will not pardon sinners without some sacrifice or satisfaction. For otherwise it would not follow, from there remaining to apostates no more sacrifice for sin, that there must remain to them a dreadful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation. In these last words, the conflagration of the heaven and the earth at the day of judgment seems especially to be referred to.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary


10:26-31 The exhortations against apostacy and to perseverance, are urged by many strong reasons. The sin here mentioned is a total and final falling away, when men, with a full and fixed will and resolution, despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour; despise and resist the Spirit, the only Sanctifier; and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life. Of this destruction God gives some notorious sinners, while on earth, a fearful foreboding in their consciences, with despair of being able to endure or to escape it. But what punishment can be sorer than to die without mercy? We answer, to die by mercy, by the mercy and grace which they have despised. How dreadful is the case, when not only the justice of God, but his abused grace and mercy call for vengeance! All this does not in the least mean that any souls who sorrow for sin will be shut out from mercy, or that any will be refused the benefit of Christ's sacrifice, who are willing to accept these blessings. Him that cometh unto Christ, he will in no wise cast out.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible


For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth - If after we are converted and become true Christians we should apostatize, it would be impossible to be recovered again, for there would be no other sacrifice for sin; no way by which we could be saved. This passage, however, like Hebrews 6:4-6, has given rise to much difference of opinion. But that the above is the correct interpretation, seems evident to me from the following considerations:
(1) It is the natural and obvious interpretation, such as would occur probably to ninety-nine readers in a hundred, if there were no theory to support, and no fear that it would conflict with some other doctrine.
(2) it accords with the scope of the Epistle, which is, to keep those whom the apostle addressed from returning again to the Jewish religion, under the trials to which they were subjected.
(3) it is in accordance with the fair meaning of the language - the words "after that we have received the knowledge of the truth," referring more naturally to true conversion than to any other state of mind.
(4) the sentiment would not be correct if it referred to any but real Christians. It would not be true that one who had been somewhat enlightened, and who then sinned "wilfully," must look on fearfully to the judgment without a possibility of being saved. There are multitudes of cases where such persons are saved. They "wilfully" resist the Holy Spirit; they strive against him; they for a long time refuse to yield, but they are brought again to reflection, and are led to give their hearts to God.
(5) it is true, and always will be true, that if a sincere Christian should apostatize he could never be converted again; see the notes on Hebrews 6:4-6. The reasons are obvious. He would have tried the only plan of salvation, and it would have failed. He would have embraced the Saviour, and there would not have been efficacy enough in his blood to keep him, and there would be no more powerful Saviour and no more efficacious blood of atonement. He would have renounced the Holy Spirit, and would have shown that his influences were not effectual to keep him, and there would be no other agent of greater power to renew and save him after he had apostatized. For these reasons it seems clear to me that this passage refers to true Christians, and that the doctrine here taught is, that if such an one should apostatize, he must look forward only to the terrors of the judgment, and to final condemnation.

Whether this in fact ever occurs, is quite another question. In regard to that inquiry, see the notes on Hebrews 6:4-6. If this view be correct, we may add, that the passage should not be regarded as applying to what is commonly known as the "sin against the Holy Spirit," or "the unpardonable sin." The word rendered "wilfully" - ἑκουσίως hekousiōs - occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, except in 1 Peter 5:2, where it is rendered "willingly" - "taking the oversight thereof (of the church) not by constraint, but willingly." It properly means, "willingly, voluntarily, of our own accord," and applies to cases where no constraint is used. It is not to be construed here strictly, or metaphysically, for all sin is voluntary, or is committed willingly, but must refer to a deliberate act, where a man means to abandon his religion, and to turn away from God. If it were to be taken with metaphysical exactness, it would demonstrate that every Christian who ever does anything wrong, no matter how small, would be lost.

But this cannot, from the nature of the case, be the meaning. The apostle well knew that Christians do commit such sins (see the notes on Romans 7), and his object here is not to set forth the danger of such sins, but to guard Christians against apostasy from their religion. In the Jewish Law, as is indeed the case everywhere, a distinction is made between sins of oversight, inadvertence, or ignorance, (Leviticus 4:2, Leviticus 4:13, Leviticus 4:22, Leviticus 4:27; Leviticus 5:15; Numbers 15:24, Numbers 15:27-29; compare Acts 3:17; Acts 17:30), and sins of presumption; sins that are deliberately and intentionally committed; see Exodus 21:14; Numbers 15:30; Deuteronomy 17:12; Psalm 19:13. The apostle here has reference, evidently, to such a distinction, and means to speak of a decided and deliberate purpose to break away from the restraints and obligations of the Christian religion.

There remaineth no more sacrifice for sins - Should a man do this, there is no sacrifice for sins which could save him. He would have rejected deliberately the only atonement made for sin, and there will be no other made. It is as if a man should reject the only medicine that could heal him, or push away the only boat that could save him when shipwrecked; see notes, Hebrews 6:6. The sacrifice made for sin by the Redeemer is never to be repeated, and if that is deliberately rejected, the soul must be lost.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary


26. Compare on this and following verses, Heb 6:4, &c. There the warning was that if there be not diligence in progressing, a falling off will take place, and apostasy may ensue: here it is, that if there be lukewarmness in Christian communion, apostasy may ensue.if we sin—Greek present participle: if we be found sinning, that is, not isolated acts, but a state of sin [Alford]. A violation not only of the law, but of the whole economy of the New Testament (Heb 10:28, 29).
wilfully—presumptuously, Greek "willingly." After receiving "full knowledge (so the Greek, compare 1Ti 2:4) of the truth," by having been "enlightened," and by having "tasted" a certain measure even of grace of "the Holy Ghost" (the Spirit of truth, Joh 14:17; and "the Spirit of grace," Heb 10:29): to fall away (as "sin" here means, Heb 3:12, 17; compare Heb 6:6) and apostatize (Heb 3:12) to Judaism or infidelity, is not a sin of ignorance, or error ("out of the way," the result) of infirmity, but a deliberate sinning against the Spirit (Heb 10:29; Heb 5:2): such sinning, where a consciousness of Gospel obligations not only was, but is present: a sinning presumptuously and preseveringly against Christ's redemption for us, and the Spirit of grace in us. "He only who stands high can fall low. A lively reference in the soul to what is good is necessary in order to be thoroughly wicked; hence, man can be more reprobate than the beasts, and the apostate angels than apostate man" [Tholuck].
remaineth no more sacrifice—For there is but ONE Sacrifice that can atone for sin; they, after having fully known that sacrifice, deliberately reject it.

Matthew Poole's Commentary


If we sin wilfully: the severe exaction which God will take upon such as apostatize from him, is further enforcing the former duty, and is introduced by the particle for, to that end; if we by a free and spontaneous desertion of Christ, and his ordinances, without a coercion by threats and persecutions; and this after we had professedly in our judgments, wills, and affections, with faith and reverence, acknowledged a love and subjection to the true gospel doctrine of the way of bringing sinners to God by Christ our great High Priest, John 8:31 14:6, which was made known to them by Christ and his apostles, and confirmed by miracles and the gifts of the Holy Ghost, so as to profess a full conviction of this truth, so as to assent and consent to it.

After that we have received the knowledge of the truth; after all this, to renounce the profession of it, and to forsake the assemblies where it is held forth; this is the spontaneous and wilful sinning: see Hebrews 6:6.

There remaineth no more sacrifice for sins: this is unpardonable by the just constitution of God in the gospel, because no sacrifice can atone God for them, without which they cannot be pardoned; and the sacrifice of Christ, which only could do it, they renounce and desert; and so this, nor any other they can bring, can procure pardon for them, so that their sins remain in guilt and power on them, and between them and God’s wrath are they like irrecoverably to be ground to perdition.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

For if we sin wilfully,.... Which is not to be understood of a single act of sin, but rather of a course of sinning; nor of sins of infirmity through temptation, or even of grosser acts of sin, but of voluntary ones; and not of all voluntary ones, or in which the will is engaged and concerned, but of such which are done on set purpose, resolutely and obstinately; and not of immoral practices, but of corrupt principles, and acting according to them; it intends a total apostasy from the truth, against light and evidence, joined with obstinacy.
After that we have received the knowledge of the truth; either of Jesus Christ, or of the Scriptures, or of the Gospel, or of some particular doctrine, especially the principal one, salvation by Christ; of which there may be a notional knowledge, when there is no experimental knowledge; and which is received not into the heart, but into the head: and whereas the apostle speaks in the first person plural, we, this is used not so much with regard to himself, but others; that so what he delivered might come with greater weight upon them, and be more readily received by them; when they observed he entertained no hard thoughts or jealousies of them, which would greatly distress the minds of those that were truly gracious. Moreover, the apostles use this way of speaking, when they do not design themselves at all, but others, under the same visible profession of religion, and who belonged to the same community of believers; see 1 Peter 4:3 compared with Acts 22:3. Besides, these words are only hypothetical, and do not prove that true believers could, or should, or do sin in this manner: to which may be added, that true believers are manifestly distinguished from these persons,... You can also read more from here (linked);

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eternally-gratefull

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I feel ya brother. You do have patience. He is just trying to get you to react. not worthy it bro. The icy button should be pulling you in right now.

 

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The thing is a person who is saved will not live in sin. This verse is in direct opposition to your view on Once Saved Always Saved. This passage is hardly a demonic distraction. Why would anyone chose to live in constant fear of losing their salvation?

"Fear not" says the Lord. Words to live by Ralph.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
Furthermore and I hope you don't mind me saying.

A person who is saved does not want to live in sin.

But I suppose it comes down what is willful sin with regards to salvation for some.
 

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How many do you want? John 3: 16? John 4 (the woman at the well) John 6? (Whoever believes and takes the food which endures forever will never hunger, never thirst, Live forever. never die, and has in their posession eternallife and they will be raised on the last day? Oh and they will never be lost..
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Whosoever believeth. Present tense. It doesn’t say “whosoever believed” or “hath believed”.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Believeth. The day a man doesn’t believe that man shall perish.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Might be saved. Depends on whether a man keeps his faith.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The day a man believeth not, he is condemned.
John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
So, as long as a man doesn’t choke off the flow he enters into everlasting life. Abide in Christ. Remain in Jesus. Saints aren’t prisoners.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
He that believeth. Not, he that believed. And see that you must believeth on Jesus present tense to never thirst. So, a man must abide in the vine as in abide in the body of Christ. If a man doesn’t abide he withers away and is cast into the fire.

Every man’s faith is tried. If the man quits his faith he burns.
 
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I feel ya brother. You do have patience. He is just trying to get you to react. not worthy it bro. The icy button should be pulling you in right now.

lol

its just crazy to me....

i aint mad at anyone where

i see lgf posting again but hes been on ignore since his adding to what words mean inability to have an honest discussion about matthew in NBW

babbling about the sabbath and such
*sigh*


it would be nice though if God uses this thread to open SOMEONES eyes to the truth....



Jesus is the only way
through His imputed righteousness we are saved

and those who are born again

are saved already
and kept by the power of God
 
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lol

its just crazy to me.... i aint mad at anyone where i see lgf posting again but hes been on ignore since his adding to what words mean inability to have an honest discussion about matthew in NBW babbling about the sabbath and such
*sigh*it would be nice though if God uses this thread to open SOMEONES eyes to the truth....

Jesus is the only way
through His imputed righteousness we are saved

and those who are born again

are saved already
and kept by the power of God
Indeed, how can you see when you close your eyes and ears to the Word of God. It is hard to see when the road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out. This is sad for you.
 
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You live in sin, Ralph.

You sin every single day. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

If you only sinned 5 times a day:

That's 35 sins a week.

140 sins a month.

1680 sins a year.

If you lived 20 more years that's 33,600 sins.

You'd better hope you're not accountable for a single one before you die.
Yep only when in the spirit do we not sin.
 
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joefizz

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Indeed, how can you see when you close your eyes and ears to the Word of God. It is hard to see when the road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out. This is sad for you.
not really,refusing to read gibberish is a "choice" many on here "flip flop" their view "conveniently" as well as "deflect" and "pretend to ignore someone's words" at least No name is "being honest" with others and himself.
 
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The thing is a person who is saved will not live in sin. This verse is in direct opposition to your view on Once Saved Always Saved. This passage is hardly a demonic distraction. Why would anyone chose to live in constant fear of losing their salvation?

"Fear not" says the Lord. Words to live by Ralph.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
Hi, tourist.

I agree with this post, to a degree.

If you had a son, & he left home by his own decision, & nothing was by any means your fault cuz you did everything to keep him there, then you didn't lose him.

  • not your fault
  • everything that could be done was done
  • he left anyway.
You didn't lose him, because that would determine your guilt that you failed.

If anything, he lost you because he walked away. He was the responsible one for the walkaway.

It's the same with God...... He has done everything He can do to fulfill His side of the covenant.

He gave us a guarantee of salvation if we stay with Him.

The only thing you could guarantee to your son is you would take him back if he came back.

But...... you can't make him come back, can you? He must choose his own way.

We as christians have to renew our minds every day & remember to keep our promises to serve the Lord, or we can possibly fall away.
 

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Barnes' Notes on the Bible


For if we sin willfully

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary


wilfully—presumptuously, Greek "willingly." After receiving "full knowledge (so the Greek, compare 1Ti 2:4) of the truth," by having been "

Matthew Poole's Commentary


If we sin wilfully:

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

For if we sin wilfully,.... Which is not to be understood of a single act of sin, but rather of a course of sinning; nor of sins of i
Giving up faith and falling away is willful.

And, Whatosever is not of faith is sin.
 

Chester

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That is not putting it back in ITS shell ;)

Nor can you even say with any assurance that feeding a scrambled egg to some chicken will end up with the digested egg being formed again into another egg. In fact, most females are born with all the ova they will ever have :) But you were joking, right?
I actually wasn't joking. If you actually feed scrambled eggs to a chicken, some of the elements from the scrambled eggs will get digested, get into the chicken's bloodstream, and will wind up becoming part of the eggs that chicken is laying! LOL!

So, in essence, you can turn scrambled eggs back into an egg by feeding it to a chicken!

Of course, it is a different shell! LOL!
 
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not really,refusing to read gibberish is a "choice" many on here "flip flop" their view "conveniently" as well as "deflect" and "pretend to ignore someone's words" at least No name is "being honest" with others and himself.
What is gibberish?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Whosoever believeth. Present tense. It doesn’t say “whosoever believed” or “hath believed”.
Believeth. The day a man doesn’t believe that man shall perish.
Might be saved. Depends on whether a man keeps his faith.
The day a man believeth not, he is condemned.
So, as long as a man doesn’t choke off the flow he enters into everlasting life. Abide in Christ. Remain in Jesus. Saints aren’t prisoners.
Yeah I have heard this lame excuse for trying to maintain your salvation by your belief.

It is destroyed the fact that he said in all three places. Once a person comes to a point of believe, they will never die.

if their is ANY point or any way a person can still die. Then God lied.

He did not say you will only get this IF YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE. He said you have it PERIOD. End of story


He that believeth. Not, he that believed. And see that you must believeth on Jesus present tense to never thirst. So, a man must abide in the vine as in abide in the body of Christ. If a man doesn’t abide he withers away and is cast into the fire.

Every man’s faith is tried. If the man quits his faith he burns.

He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already. He does nto say he who believes is not condemned as long as they do nbot fall back into unbelief.

Plus as I said, John said in his 1st epistle, Whoever Denys Christ, is an antichrist, and if someone leaves the church church in unbelief, they were never saved to begin with, If they were saved, they would have never left.

The same author wrote both passages, He refutes your self righteous belief. And trying to maintain your salvation by your power..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Giving up faith and falling away is willful.

And, Whatosever is not of faith is sin.

Yep.. so sin is more than just going out and doing something. Do you claim to be sinless like so many people here?
 
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Yep.. so sin is more than just going out and doing something. Do you claim to be sinless like so many people here?
i believe that Jesus was sinless

and through His imputed righteousness i will be seen as sinless come judgement


by grace through faith



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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
 
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Hi Bill, what is being described as gibberish and Gobbledygook? What is sad is when God's Word is shared that this is the only response from those that do not want to hear it. God's Word is not gibberish or Gobbledygoop. It is the Word of God. It will judge us in the last day as to whether we BELIEVE and FOLLOW it or whether we reject it. We will also be judged by every idle word.

Joefizzsaid: Words that make no sense but are treated as if they do.
What is is specifically are you referring to in relation to the words that make no sense but treated as if they do?
 
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