Why "Empathy" Is Not In The Bible

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Dino246

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Not me. The past President of the APA said they are a political activist group and having nothing to do with science.
So... why in the world are you quoting their definition of empathy? Perhaps you should have started a "Slam the APA" thread in another forum instead?
 
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So... why in the world are you quoting their definition of empathy? Perhaps you should have started a "Slam the APA" thread in another forum instead?
Because even the dictionary definition says empathy is having the feelings OF another. That's impossible. You can't have the feelings of when I look at my wife. You can have your own feelings you get looking at my wife but not mine.
 
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But you can't do that any more than you can put yourself in someone's tongue and experience and taste the food they are eating.
I think suffering with someone like Emmanuel(God with us) is empathetic. Shared joy can add to ones joy .Shared sorrow as Christ's yoke reduces it.

1Co 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
1Co 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
 
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I think suffering with someone like Emmanuel(God with us) is empathetic. Shared joy can add to ones joy .Shared sorrow as Christ's yoke reduces it.
But we are not omniscient.
 

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Let's see... you think the APA is a political activist group, imply a connection between them and all sorts of heinous conspiracy stuff, and quote their definition? Perhaps you should start with a Bible and a dictionary, and ignore what the APA says about anything.

Next will you be quoting the APA's view on "hearing voices" and claiming most Christian are therefore insane?
This APA bunch probably believes in a flat earth too. Sound like a bunch of loons but apparently have a convert in the OP who seems to rely on them as a basis for forming his spiritual views. Personally, I prefer the bible as the inspired Word of God to form my spiritual views but that's just me.
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http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

Research is what neuroscientists do, they try to understand the brain.

In research in any field, there are researchers with integrity, ethics and morals who search for a deeper understanding and there are those that use research to promote their personal bias and agenda.

Having said that, we as believers loose credibility when we sensationalize everything.


I did. The APA is their own source. Just Google them about empathy and mirror neurons.
 
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http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

Research is what neuroscientists do, they try to understand the brain.

In research in any field, there are researchers with integrity, ethics and morals who search for a deeper understanding and there are those that use research to promote their personal bias and agenda.

Having said that, we as believers loose credibility when we sensationalize everything.
That article is claiming to read people's minds and true intentions so it is not me over sensationalizing. That is in the article you posted. There are more articles. Go find them and get an education.
 

Dino246

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Because even the dictionary definition says empathy is having the feelings OF another. That's impossible. You can't have the feelings of when I look at my wife. You can have your own feelings you get looking at my wife but not mine.
Which dictionary are you reading?

Merriam-Webster:

"1 : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this "

Oxford English:

"The ability to understand and share the feelings of another."

Neither definition has "have the feelings of another".

The APA web site does not even have a definition of empathy (that I can find, anyway). It isn't in their glossary.

Methinks you've made a mountain from a grain of sand.
 
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I already have a very good education, thank you, including several undergrad courses in Cognitive Science.

Do you even know what a functional MRI is?

Neurosciences is not my field, it is my sons at the doctoral level, and I do know that in every field of study there are the a variety of people with various motives, painting all research and understanding as evil only makes Christians look rather foolish.


That article is claiming to read people's minds and true intentions so it is not me over sensationalizing. That is in the article you posted. There are more articles. Go find them and get an education.
 

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Can you do a cat scan on the OP UG?
 
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Which dictionary are you reading?

Merriam-Webster:

"1 : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this "

Oxford English:

"The ability to understand and share the feelings of another."

Neither definition has "have the feelings of another".

The APA web site does not even have a definition of empathy (that I can find, anyway). It isn't in their glossary.

Methinks you've made a mountain from a grain of sand.
The Oxford is saying it. But the Webster's didn't include "vicarious" a year ago when I started researching this. You can't share or have the feelings OF another.
 

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The problem is you are thinking that "share" means some kind of Vulcan Mind meld sharing...this is not the case.


 
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The problem is you are thinking that "share" means some kind of Vulcan Mind meld sharing...this is not the case.


If I "share" my wife with you that doesn't mean you are vicariously imagining being with her does it now? That is why you need to read what the psychological profession says what empathy is with mirror neurons.
 
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Here is another psychologist who questions "mirror neurons" so maybe you could research the naysayers as well, so it is not so conspiratorial.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...eurons-the-most-hyped-concept-in-neuroscience

There are always fringe researchers, and perhaps the APA reports and maybe even supports this fringe research I do not know.

However, fMRIs are actually helping to dispel many long held erroneous beliefs, I count that a good thing.


The Oxford is saying it. But the Webster's didn't include "vicarious" a year ago when I started researching this. You can't share or have the feelings OF another.
 
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But we are not omniscient.
He that works in us to both will and do His good purpose is omniscient,a functional MRI is not.

A broken spirit dries up the bone the factory for blood.

Takes two verses and call the great physician in the morning.Don't let the sun go down on your anger or it will awaken you breaking the fast. We walk by faith the unseen as that not detected in a MRI .

Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Being happy is not the cure . Therefore a person can discover nothing of his future . We live one moment at a time.or at least I hope to .Just ask my wife (LOL )

She reminds me its only funny when two are laughing but when she grins she's in.