I don't post something unless I know what I am talking about it. It is you that needs correction. The psychological profession says that there are certain evolved humans who can read the true intentions of someone no matter how well the intentions are masked. That is empathy and it involves the development of mirror neurons.
Why "Empathy" Is Not In The Bible
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Ok that makes things completely clear to me. Thank you. The difference between us is, I believe. You KNOW. I used to think i knew stuff too. too many times God showed me how everything i thought i knew was hogwash. Pretty much like this thread and what you think you know but i agree with you on many points. What you think empathy is, is hogwash. As i said before, that isnt real, so i agree with that. The only thing we disagree on is the actual definition of empathy. You seem to continually insist that this "ama" or "psychological profession" definition involving mirror neurons is what the word "empathy" is about. We disagree on that. However, you have yet to quote a source for your information. when i first read your post I looked up what you said and couldnt find it anywhere. Until you can show us a source for this, I have to say I have no further interest in this thread or responding here. Enjoy and God's peace be with you.
I dont know that he can do this or he probably allready would have. It has been asked several times in the thread. I searched for it and found the opposite of what he said. It is probably out there somewhere in some obscure papers or something but, its so far out of line with the definition of the word empathy as to be totally absurd. I have no idea why any believer would chose such a far out source to quote or argue and state things about scripture through. He doesnt seem to be at all willing to even discuss his own personal relationship with God so, I dont see how i can serve him at all. Still trying. Still praying.
Your servant in Christ,
Joseph
Your servant in Christ,
Joseph
It is all over the Internet. Here is one on if you deny climate change you lack empathy: https://climatedenial.org/2008/12/03/climate-change-and-the-empathy-deficit/
You haven't yet provided the support I requested for your OP. I'm not "demanding" anything; I'm not your boss. I am simply demonstrating the insolvency of your argument by requesting that which you have, thus far, failed to supply.
You've said repeatedly that "empathy" (according to your definition of it) doesn't appear at all in the Bible. I agree... according to your definition, it doesn't. However, according to any actual dictionary definition, it does.
When you're ready to admit that you have blown this issue far out of all reasonable proportion, I'll be happy to let it drop.
You've said repeatedly that "empathy" (according to your definition of it) doesn't appear at all in the Bible. I agree... according to your definition, it doesn't. However, according to any actual dictionary definition, it does.
When you're ready to admit that you have blown this issue far out of all reasonable proportion, I'll be happy to let it drop.
I could simply answer this by saying "Compassion" is innately sympathetic and as we get to know our Lord better and we are transformed by Him we become empathetic by way of maturing spiritually; and if He affords us our own experiences in struggle and pain - also a deeper empathetic heart is solidified and produced in Christ.
When I was a younger man I always had sympathy for another's plight in injury, because I knew my Father's mercy for He first loved me. And as I grew to know my Father in heaven more, I understood His compassion even more and empathy was in my heart given to me by the Holy Spirit. But in addition to that now as an older man I have experienced personal pain and injury. I have fallen 28 ft. two floors and got busted up real good - my sympathy has been afforded by God to be much more than that. I now have personal empathy for people who have experienced similar plights.. I feel their pain at a level as if I myself had experienced what they are talking about and walking thru, due to my own experiences relating to it.
This, therefore goes beyond sympathy in the arena of compassion, and beyond even spiritual empathy, but it combines spiritual empathy with personal experiences... brightening my love for people in a real way, as the light of Christ enlightens me.
I haven't read all of these posts here, but I wanted to state that it is important to remember when we go thru hardships and injuries and calamities at all levels and notations, we need to make a choice when we hit that crossroad wall God takes us thru. Will I simply be a surviver of my calamity? Or will I recognize the opportunity God has given me to become a unique Ambassador of Christ's love and Mercy filled with His power by loving others more than myself?
God needs workers to be courageous in the field. circumstances that have harbored painful realities for us are opportunities to use what we have gained thru God forging our character to love people all the more courageously filled with His compassion, that is also now our own.
Spiritual courage is the high heart that sees the difficulty and faces it. That is the courage that is valuable to God. No man has greater love than to lay down his life for another. Now I know some men who have been in war have seen this; and even though they know not God, they felt a connection to their brothers on the field that brought them to an empathetic decision - "If my life can benefit another I will give it with all my heart and body for I know what they are going thru." Empathy is more than heroics it is a part of compassion, as is sympathy .... making us a powerful Ambassador for Christ.
The whole socialist take over - if you aren't for a ... "etc etc" storyline thing is ..... whatever to me. I see that going places I need not travel.
When I was a younger man I always had sympathy for another's plight in injury, because I knew my Father's mercy for He first loved me. And as I grew to know my Father in heaven more, I understood His compassion even more and empathy was in my heart given to me by the Holy Spirit. But in addition to that now as an older man I have experienced personal pain and injury. I have fallen 28 ft. two floors and got busted up real good - my sympathy has been afforded by God to be much more than that. I now have personal empathy for people who have experienced similar plights.. I feel their pain at a level as if I myself had experienced what they are talking about and walking thru, due to my own experiences relating to it.
This, therefore goes beyond sympathy in the arena of compassion, and beyond even spiritual empathy, but it combines spiritual empathy with personal experiences... brightening my love for people in a real way, as the light of Christ enlightens me.
I haven't read all of these posts here, but I wanted to state that it is important to remember when we go thru hardships and injuries and calamities at all levels and notations, we need to make a choice when we hit that crossroad wall God takes us thru. Will I simply be a surviver of my calamity? Or will I recognize the opportunity God has given me to become a unique Ambassador of Christ's love and Mercy filled with His power by loving others more than myself?
God needs workers to be courageous in the field. circumstances that have harbored painful realities for us are opportunities to use what we have gained thru God forging our character to love people all the more courageously filled with His compassion, that is also now our own.
Spiritual courage is the high heart that sees the difficulty and faces it. That is the courage that is valuable to God. No man has greater love than to lay down his life for another. Now I know some men who have been in war have seen this; and even though they know not God, they felt a connection to their brothers on the field that brought them to an empathetic decision - "If my life can benefit another I will give it with all my heart and body for I know what they are going thru." Empathy is more than heroics it is a part of compassion, as is sympathy .... making us a powerful Ambassador for Christ.
The whole socialist take over - if you aren't for a ... "etc etc" storyline thing is ..... whatever to me. I see that going places I need not travel.
That's your mantra here in this forum. You don't analyze. Yet I have supported my OP. This is only one of many (from the last link I provided):
"This is an extract from Roman Krznaric’s essay ‘Empathy and Climate Change: Proposals for a Revolution of Human Relationships’, written for the University of Manchester workshops on ‘Future Ethics: Climate Change, Political Action and the Future of the Human’ link You can download the complete version from www.romankrznaric.com.
Roman Krznaric is the expert on Empathy at The School of Life in London. You can see a 6 minute video of Roman talking about empathy and climate change link.."
"This is an extract from Roman Krznaric’s essay ‘Empathy and Climate Change: Proposals for a Revolution of Human Relationships’, written for the University of Manchester workshops on ‘Future Ethics: Climate Change, Political Action and the Future of the Human’ link You can download the complete version from www.romankrznaric.com.
Roman Krznaric is the expert on Empathy at The School of Life in London. You can see a 6 minute video of Roman talking about empathy and climate change link.."
Roman Krznaric is a "social philosopher" according to the web site. His Ph.D. is in political sociology, not psychology. I could not find the book you mention.
You started with such grand assertions, and yet so far you have failed to support your assertions with anything more than the most tenuous of connections. I checked all six pages; in support of your assertions, you have provided one barely-relevant link, and a second reference to the same link.
This thread should have been started in the Conspiracy forum; that's where it belongs.
You started with such grand assertions, and yet so far you have failed to support your assertions with anything more than the most tenuous of connections. I checked all six pages; in support of your assertions, you have provided one barely-relevant link, and a second reference to the same link.
This thread should have been started in the Conspiracy forum; that's where it belongs.