Genesis ch 1&2 is misunderstood

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tourist

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"He never stopped creating" in the context of Genesis 1 & 2 is simply nonsense. Yes, believers are new creations in Christ but please try to keep things in context. The Bible is very clear that as far as the creation of the universe and the inhabitants of the earth is concerned, everything was confined to those six literal 24-hour days of creation.

To claim that God created Adam on the 8th day is preposterous and contradicts Scripture. Please note:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them... And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Gen 1:27,31).

While some may find it hard to believe, both Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day as revealed in Scripture. That there was no other creative act after that is clear from the Ten Commandments.

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11)
I never stated that God created Adam on the 8th day. I'm sorry for giving you a hard time tonight. That was uncalled for and I apologize. I don't know what gets into me at times. Actually, I appreciate the time and consideration that you provide with the bible verses that state or support what your position is on any given topic. God bless you for your work on the threads.
 

Lewiz

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What rubbish and nonsense you post.

It is so simple and straightforward -
in Genesis 1 God created human beings - male and female
He created them
in Genesis 2 God formed Adam from the earth and placed
him in a garden separate from all others

Neanderthals do not come into the picture, nor incest with
non-existent sisters.

Adam represents:
Israel a nation separated from other peoples
by the worship of the true and living God of creation
and of salvation.
and the true Spirit-filled Pentecostal Christian who is
sanctified and separated from the world to worship the
true and living God of creation/salvation.
Gen. 3:20
New International Version
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

New Living Translation
Then the man--Adam--named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all who live.

English Standard Version
The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

New American Standard Bible
Now the man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

King James Bible
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Isn't it something how folks will dig in to see something not there, while overlooking obvious, plainly written verses called context?

I believe this is straining at gnats & swallowing camels.
 
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I find it odd that so many Christians come here to chat about Bible but hardly give a care about what others post, or take time to make polite and meaningful comments.
 

MarcR

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Good Bible study
This is good Bible study and has been part of Pentecostal teaching for
nigh on a hundred years.

there were two creations - chapter 1 are all the major races of the world
who would have started off as hunters and gathers

chapter 2 - where Adam was formed and Eve was formed from Adam
some 40,000 years later than chapter 1 on the 8th day
and he was separated from the rest of humanity and placed in a garden
Adam and Eve specifically represent the first church, the beginning of the
plan to bring salvation into the world through a chosen one to come
the first Adam and the second Adam.

We know that other people existed in the world when Cain complained
to God about the mark placed on him
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou has driven me out this day from the face of the earth;
and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond
in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that finds me shall
slay me.
Genesis 4:

We also know that other people inhabited the earth apart from Adam's family
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land
of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city,
and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:
This is very inventive since it does NOT follow the Hebrew text at all! I missed it on my first read through.

Since Troph has already caught your errors on the next page, I will not comment further.
 

MarcR

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This is very inventive since it does NOT follow the Hebrew text at all! I missed it on my first read through.

Since Troph has already caught your errors on the next page, I will not comment further.
unfortunately I was too late to delete this! PLEASE IGNORE IT!!
 

MarcR

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#66
Good Bible study
This is good Bible study and has been part of Pentecostal teaching for
nigh on a hundred years.

there were two creations - chapter 1 are all the major races of the world
who would have started off as hunters and gathers

chapter 2 - where Adam was formed and Eve was formed from Adam
some 40,000 years later than chapter 1 on the 8th day
and he was separated from the rest of humanity and placed in a garden
Adam and Eve specifically represent the first church, the beginning of the
plan to bring salvation into the world through a chosen one to come
the first Adam and the second Adam.

We know that other people existed in the world when Cain complained
to God about the mark placed on him
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou has driven me out this day from the face of the earth;
and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond
in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that finds me shall
slay me.
Genesis 4:

We also know that other people inhabited the earth apart from Adam's family
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land
of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city,
and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:
I missed this because it was not yet posted when I last read this page! It is very invenitve but IMPOSSIBLE to justify from the Hebrew text!

Gen 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
KJV

tells us that Eve was the mother of all living [humans]. Eve's name cha vah literally means Life Comes!

In addition the Hebrew grammar does not allow chapter 2 to be read as a separate event from verse 1!


Gen 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV

These אֵ֣לֶּה In Hebrew, the noun that a pronoun refers to ALWAYS precedes the pronoun. Thus ALL THAT FOLLOWS is referred back to chapter 1. The fact that this pronoun is plural indicates that it looks back to multiple statements or events.

are the generations תוֺלְד֛וֺת usually means genealogies; but in this case it means history of the origin.

in the day בְּיׄוֺם can mean either in the day or in the time [duration unspecified]. Since it refers back to chapter 1, we know 6 days were involved [ plus an optional gap between either verses 1 and 2, and/or verses 2 and 3].
 

Laish

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unfortunately I was too late to delete this! PLEASE IGNORE IT!!
You do know that we now have to scroll back up and reread it .
At least I did . I am messed up that way .
Blessings
Bill
 

MarcR

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Some Christians believe that Adam himself was an eighth day creation. God had already created men and women in Genesis 1:27, but Genesis 2:5 says; "There was not a man to till the ground". There were hunters & fishers, but no farmer to tend the ground. "God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." (Gen 2:15). While most Christians don't ascribe to this, many believe this specific man was a separate creation for a specific purpose, of who's bloodline Messiah would come.The Hebrew "adam" means man or mankind in general (Gen 1), while "ha adam" with the article, means "the man" referring to a specific man (Adam). With the article and particle "eth ha adam", it is very emphatic and is referring to one specific man (Gen 2:7). In such a case, the animals formed in Genesis 2:19, were specific to Adam (the farmer). Genesis 1:24 refers to the creation of the "beast of the earth", while Genesis 2:19 says "God formed every beast of the field". A differentiation of God forming new domestic animals specifically for Adam.

Genesis 1:26,
"And God said, Let us make man in our image". 'Adam' without the article denotes man or mankind in general, followed by plural pronoun.. The NIV says mankind.

Genesis 2:7,
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground." Here, 'man' with the particle in addition to the article "eth ha adam" is singular, referring to a specific man.
This has been thoroughly refuted in post 66.
 

MarcR

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Sadly, and I must admit, it may explain some of the way i post.. I am not too proud to say so.

My wife got me hooked on some prety strong stuff. I can not even drink restaraunt coffee anymore. To weak!. We have been using trader joes lately.. Some others who have tried it now are hooked also.. Its bad..lol.

I like either Costa Rican, or Arabian Mocha. Both are low acid with NO BITTER TASTE.
 

FlSnookman7

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I like either Costa Rican, or Arabian Mocha. Both are low acid with NO BITTER TASTE.
Come down to south florida and we will enjoy a cup of real coffee.....:D
 

MarcR

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Come down to south florida and we will enjoy a cup of real coffee.....:D

I appreciate the invitation; but 4300 miles + for a cup of coffee seems a bit much:eek:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#74
What rubbish and nonsense you post.

It is so simple and straightforward -
in Genesis 1 God created human beings - male and female
He created them
in Genesis 2 God formed Adam from the earth and placed
him in a garden separate from all others

Neanderthals do not come into the picture, nor incest with
non-existent sisters.

Adam represents:
Israel a nation separated from other peoples
by the worship of the true and living God of creation
and of salvation.
and the true Spirit-filled Pentecostal Christian who is
sanctified and separated from the world to worship the
true and living God of creation/salvation.

What rubbish you post.

Gen 1 was an outline of Gods creation.

Gen 2 was a detailed outline of God creating the man he created in chapter 1.

If you read the OT, many places use this form of communication.

Adam was the first man, He is the father of mankind. it is in ADAM all die. Because he was the FIRST.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#77
I like either Costa Rican, or Arabian Mocha. Both are low acid with NO BITTER TASTE.
hm.. Gonna have to give it a try, thanks!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#78
Not so
Adam is not of chapter one

Adam is human, His wife IS the mother of all living. Adam is the father of the human race

conclusion

Adam is Chapter 1.

If God created humans and they walked for all that time and never sinned, Why did God not just take adam out. And continue to let mankind live on their own., since it seems you think many men and women lived who never sinned.


 

tourist

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#79
Sadly, and I must admit, it may explain some of the way i post.. I am not too proud to say so.

My wife got me hooked on some prety strong stuff. I can not even drink restaraunt coffee anymore. To weak!. We have been using trader joes lately.. Some others who have tried it now are hooked also.. Its bad..lol.
I love strong coffee. We have a Trader Joes near us and occasionally shop there. Might have to give their java a taste test.
 

tourist

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Come down to south florida and we will enjoy a cup of real coffee.....:D
I appreciate the invitation; but 4300 miles + for a cup of coffee seems a bit much:eek:
Depends on the brand and the way it's prepared. I live near Tampa so a trip to South Florida for a cup of coffee and fellowship is quite possible.