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Understand Justification by Faith - Romans 3:23
At Salvation, one is Washed, Sanctified, and Justified (1 Cor. 6:11). Sanctification makes one clean, while Justification, being a legal Work, declares one clean.
This is why we must understand what justification is and why it is the first subject in the book of Romans. It lays down the foundation as I go through sanctification.
Justification gives me the ability to get back up from every failure no matter how many times and stand up and go through this process and learn it. Justification gives us a legal standing with God that is not cancelled because of the acts of sin. So if I fail at this same thing a thousand times, God forbid, I remain justified by faith (Romans 3:23); For I have kept the ways of the Lord (2 Samuel 22:22; Psalm 18:21; Romans 8:2). Remember, Jesus said, "I did not come to condemn (John 3:17)."
Justification is not what we do, and not what I am, and not what I worked for. It is what Jesus did and my faith in it that gives me the standing with God that I need to carry on my Christian experience. Sometime I do it well, and sometimes I do it not so well, but his justifying Grace will not fail unless my faith fails. It is just if I have never sinned and just if I have always obeyed (Romans 8:1; Romans 8:2).
At Salvation, one is Washed, Sanctified, and Justified (1 Cor. 6:11). Sanctification makes one clean, while Justification, being a legal Work, declares one clean.
This is why we must understand what justification is and why it is the first subject in the book of Romans. It lays down the foundation as I go through sanctification.
Justification gives me the ability to get back up from every failure no matter how many times and stand up and go through this process and learn it. Justification gives us a legal standing with God that is not cancelled because of the acts of sin. So if I fail at this same thing a thousand times, God forbid, I remain justified by faith (Romans 3:23); For I have kept the ways of the Lord (2 Samuel 22:22; Psalm 18:21; Romans 8:2). Remember, Jesus said, "I did not come to condemn (John 3:17)."
Justification is not what we do, and not what I am, and not what I worked for. It is what Jesus did and my faith in it that gives me the standing with God that I need to carry on my Christian experience. Sometime I do it well, and sometimes I do it not so well, but his justifying Grace will not fail unless my faith fails. It is just if I have never sinned and just if I have always obeyed (Romans 8:1; Romans 8:2).
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No one will be going to hell because of a lack of work. People will go to hell because they led sinful lives and never confessed their sins and asked for help in repentance. Jesus dying on the cross for our sins brings about salvation. Inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to guide you will result in repentance. Good works are a manifestation of salvation but not the cause of it, and lack of works is not the cause of what sends people to hell. As for your question, I agree.
The usual standard is between 4000 and 5000 men, plus their wives and children. You will need 5 little loaves of bread and a couple small fish. Just kidding of course. The answer to your question is that you cannot cancel out sin regardless of how many poor people you feed. Only confessed sin to Jesus will cancel out sin.
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I was not sure what you meant really so in a way I was seeking clarification.
Having said that, a Christian is not defined by the works they do, they are a Christian because they are born from above.
There are many workers that are nominal Christians and do many great works, but have never been born from above.
Having said that, a Christian is not defined by the works they do, they are a Christian because they are born from above.
There are many workers that are nominal Christians and do many great works, but have never been born from above.
Yes not that these bodies of death do not require things necessary for sustaining this temporal life. But they are used in parables to bring out the hidden gospel in respect to the eternal called the hidden manna in Revelation. . Its the kind of answer Jesus answered John 's request with as a parable..
Again we use the temporal to reveal the eternal , all of the descriptors below speak of the unseen eternal.
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Its the kind of religion God accepts . Working with other believers who at one time had no father in heaven(fatherless) but were unwed ( widows)as pertaining to the bride of Christ.All things a new with new creatures.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
That can include those who do not know Christ but again it is not the focus.We are to feed them both. our necessary food as well as the food that comes from hearing the gospel .
Oh is see it was two my bad with all the abbreviations people use these days I assumed it was that. Well regarding the one who works and the one who doesn't that can vary, the one who works and does all these things might do so for the wrong reason, after all you can go to church every sunday, you can do all kinds of works and good deeds you can even know the bible like the back of your hand but that isn't what makes a Christian now is it? If all this is not done in love then all it is is wasted effort because as with anything in life the reason and the motive in the heart will always be the deciding factor.
As for the one who doesn't work I cannot say they are Christians, I do know people have limitation including physical ones I am one of them but the works of the spirit are hardly limited to the physical even just being here on cc we are doing his work or even just praying we are doing works or showing any word of kindness or encouragement we are doing his work. The spirit in the believer produces works it just comes naturally like breathing it's the fruit of him working in us. It isn't works equals salvation it's salvation equals works because after all when he gives you the gift of salvation and changes your heart you simply cannot help but to do these works not because it's the Christian thing to do but because it is the love he has infused in our hearts that drives us to do so
As for the one who doesn't work I cannot say they are Christians, I do know people have limitation including physical ones I am one of them but the works of the spirit are hardly limited to the physical even just being here on cc we are doing his work or even just praying we are doing works or showing any word of kindness or encouragement we are doing his work. The spirit in the believer produces works it just comes naturally like breathing it's the fruit of him working in us. It isn't works equals salvation it's salvation equals works because after all when he gives you the gift of salvation and changes your heart you simply cannot help but to do these works not because it's the Christian thing to do but because it is the love he has infused in our hearts that drives us to do so
First of all, every Christian who gives in church financially is feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, making disciples of all nations, and training men to become new ministers in thier land, and/or whatever your congregation’s funds go to.
Second of all, we all have our jobs in Christ, but not one of us has all of them. Yet every Christian should help those who personally cross their path, and share the gospel at thier personal opportunities to do so. But not every Christian is going to preach to multitudes and feed the hungry in multitudes and teach bible school and mow the church lawn and provide marriage counseling and clean the church kitchen after potluck and (the list goes on and on). Not one person does all the jobs there are to do in Christ.