Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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Yes,faith In HIS WORD that was sent to earth MANIFESTED In the flesh that men had physically handled although the apostles handled JESUS In the flesh,no we no more HIM In the flesh,therefore If anyone be IN CHRIST he Is a NEW creature and old things have passed away,all things are new.
GOD was IN CHRIST reconciling the world?
GOD was IN CHRIST reconciling the world?
I LOVE this verse (1 Corinthians 15:17) because it paints it so very clear (for me).
1 Corinthians 15:14-19 King James Version (KJV)
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
"Ye are yet in your sins" if Christ is not risen. There is no mention of sin confession, penance, or what ever other method people think grants them forgiveness from God under the New Covenant. It is simple. Christ and Him crucified. If He isn't risen then ye are yet in your sins. He is risen! Therefore you are not in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:14-19 King James Version (KJV)
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
"Ye are yet in your sins" if Christ is not risen. There is no mention of sin confession, penance, or what ever other method people think grants them forgiveness from God under the New Covenant. It is simple. Christ and Him crucified. If He isn't risen then ye are yet in your sins. He is risen! Therefore you are not in your sins.
Wrong. Wrong. Oh...and wrong.
"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)
"I am writing to you dear children, because your sins have been FORGIVEN on account of His name." (1 John 2:12)
"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the FORGIVENESS OF SINS: And by Him all that believe ARE JUSTIFIED FROM ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified from the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38-39)
"...In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14)
Henrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
we still Have the new covenant to follow, He died to remove the Old covenant, thats the Only way to remove our sins accrding to the first testament. when He fulfilled the coveanant By dying, for sinners, His testament Began, all the things He spoke then become the testament to follow. His death covers even Non believers sins....But Not all people will be saved just Because His blood is sufficient to save even the worst. it matters what they do. His Blood Paid to redeem all creation, But those who turn to Him, will be saved from thier sin, those who reject Him will not. this doesnt Mean His blood wasnt sufficient to save them. it Means they did Not find His blood worthy of thier Lives. sin is transgression of the Law, Jesus died so that the righteousness of the Law , be fulfilled in Us. He didnt die so we can do as we please and not be held guilty, He died for what we Have done, and what mistakes we Make while following after Our Lord. Gotta Love Jesus in return His way. John 14:15-26
Yes with the New Covenant comes a NEW way of Life which is ''to no longer transgress God's law/Commandments....PAST Sins are remitted completely so we can start afresh !Rom 3v25.
PRESENT Sins need to be confessed and repented of to have them forgiven, they are not automatically wiped out !
Yes JESUS has done HIS part in all that HE could do but for the redeemed MAN it is a New Beginning, THIS time to become/be obedient to the Will of God and His Word Heb 5v8,9, starting with His Commandments ! Do we continue in Sin ? God forbid ! Rom 6.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1Joh 3v4....which christians have done from the start. NOW they are being enlightened and corrected (before judgement) they should ''turn to the Lord God of Israel and keep His Commandments...starting with HIS HOLY SABBATH...JESUS being our living example !!!
YOUR choice !!!
PRESENT Sins need to be confessed and repented of to have them forgiven, they are not automatically wiped out !
Yes JESUS has done HIS part in all that HE could do but for the redeemed MAN it is a New Beginning, THIS time to become/be obedient to the Will of God and His Word Heb 5v8,9, starting with His Commandments ! Do we continue in Sin ? God forbid ! Rom 6.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1Joh 3v4....which christians have done from the start. NOW they are being enlightened and corrected (before judgement) they should ''turn to the Lord God of Israel and keep His Commandments...starting with HIS HOLY SABBATH...JESUS being our living example !!!
YOUR choice !!!
well also dear sister theres More there " He is the mediator of a New testament" Gods commands are given By Jesus His Only Begotten Son, its what the People asked for at Horeb.
there is a whole new covenant, we do Not follow the Law of Moses way, we follow Jesus way, regarding the sabbath, Yes indeed to observe the sabbath is a Christian doctrine, But.....we do Not observe the sabbath according to Moses Mediation of the first coveanant given at horeb when they pleaded NOT to Hear Gods Word. we Observe the sabbath according to Jesus.
for instance under Moses Mediation, it is unlawful to bear any Load, for any reason on the sabbath, it is also, unlawful to gather food on the sabbath. As you Know sister, under Moses there is No reasoning to violate the sabbath and it at points is a death sentance to do so.
Jesus However Got caught defending His disciples who were picking Wheat on the sabbath, which gathering food was part of the six day work, the 6th, 2 days were gathered so that No one was to work at all on the sabbath. you see this in the manna that fed them. and also written in the law of Moses. Jesus as it is thought He preached the law of Moses again did not, His Mediation is of the spirit. So in other words "Judgement rules over ordinance" if that Makes sense
it is unlawful to gather food on the sabbath.....But is God Our Father prefering that His Children go Hungry rather than gather a Bite to eat real quick on the sabbath? does it really Honor God to carefully do No work, even if its cold to Light No fire or gather No firewood, to rather go Hungry than obey this rule?
Jesus teaches us something No one really understood, God does Not wish for us to see Him through 10 commands of " what Not to do" and given By a Blazing terrifiying Mountain where all are commanded to remain far away lest they be put to death, thunder terrifying sounds only 1 allowed to approach, and a few companions allowed to approach part way.
Jesus teaches us that rather than seeing God Like that, we are to See Him as Our Father who Loves us, and is calling us into His presence, His Loving embrace is waiting for us. can you imagine saying that in Moses law? the same God who took Lives for coming too close, who warned the priests to carefully observe so Many rituals before they came into the temple. yet Jesus tells of God as Our Father who is waiting to run to Us and put His arms around us, waiting to forgive those who will Just turn toward Hoime again.....
there are two mediations, One came at Horeb, with it came a promise that " I will raise up a prophet Like Moses from omong thier brethren, Him they Must Hear I will put My words in His mouth, and will Hold the people to account of the words He speaks" this is a reference to Jesus ( acts 3) a Mediator, is the One in between two Parties, He goes Before One, takes His word to the others and they then Hear it and respond. He is a go between, a mediation between two seperated parties, in this case God, and Mankind. were seperated, because of transgression of the Law of Moses.......Jesus Brought the Law of reconciliation, His testament, is Life for the dead, Moses testamen is what Put us to death.
i agree we Have to obey the Lord, we have to Obey Jesus and His commands, those are the Word of God. the sabbath should Never Be more important than the people.......while we should abserve the sabbath, we Have to Love above all. do I maybe Mow My elderly Neighbors yard for Her on the sabbath Because I know Her Health isnt good? would God condemn Me for violating His sabbath if im doing good to another Person?
According to Moses,,,,yes. According to Jesus, Love covers Sin every time. or Love is < sin always. the sabbath is a cammandment, that we should enjoy, i think theres also an element to God that if you hate having to keep the sabbath......it doesnt Matter to Him when you do it, Because its Something that we do, to Honor Our God, Just Because in the Beginning when He created us and Our world and Gave it all to Us...He said " Keep this day Holy, for i rested this day I am the Lord God , observe My sabbath"
thats really enough for us to Observe His word. He is our Creator Life exists Because God gave it to us.....when did Obeying Our Good God who is always looking out for our good, become something foreign to faith ? we Must see the Judgement of Jesus, Love first. infact to Love others in truth, is to Love God. or an example Jesus uses " the commandent Hinor thy Mother and father".....yet if the tithe or offering takes away from you supporting the needs of your Parents, first take care of them, and then figure out the tithe but Put the Love first even over the Laws letter. Moses taught the letter was More than the Man.
for instance do Not commit adultery...Moses then " the adulterer must die" Because they Broke the command, they were commanded to be put to death. the word is greater than even the person.
Jesus again values the person, even when they have transgressed the Word. the adulterer is Not commanded to be putto death inder Jesus Mediation, the judgement is turned on Her accusers, and she who is guilty and condemned By Law, is pardoned and instructed. There is real value, in seeing God through the New covenant and His truth , that He Loves us and actually desires to Be with us, close to us Live in and with us. rather than Looking to destroy us for breaking the law......Jesus is all we really Need. He will always lead to freedom from sin, and righteousness in the sight of God.
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Well to me this says if you do not ask forgiveness, You have lost salvation. See, how else could I see this? You say it is REQUIRED. That means if you do not, something happens. Thats like the water baptism regeneration people who say water baptism is required. or the lawyers saying obedience to the law is required. Whats the difference? That's why people call it legalism. So thank you for showing why I had a reason to question what you were saying.
So your saying we have to repay the wage of sin? See how people can get confused.
Correct. I agree, But in order to earn our righteousness, we have to be perfect. Last I read. No man but christ attained that feat. when people preach holiness, most of the time they are teaching works. One must be careful. Are they teaching we are to work out our salvation, or work FOR our salvation (to maintain it) so when people make claims like this, they are questioned, so we know which group they belong to. so again, you see why people ask question.
Amen he does. But this does not prove we have to ask forgiveness, The bible says confess. the word confess does not mean feel sorrow or ask forgiveness, the word confess means to state. We literally state our sins to God.
So your saying we have to repay the wage of sin? See how people can get confused.
Correct. I agree, But in order to earn our righteousness, we have to be perfect. Last I read. No man but christ attained that feat. when people preach holiness, most of the time they are teaching works. One must be careful. Are they teaching we are to work out our salvation, or work FOR our salvation (to maintain it) so when people make claims like this, they are questioned, so we know which group they belong to. so again, you see why people ask question.
Amen he does. But this does not prove we have to ask forgiveness, The bible says confess. the word confess does not mean feel sorrow or ask forgiveness, the word confess means to state. We literally state our sins to God.
The above is INCORRECT! Once you are saved - you are BORN of the Spirit. That Spirit is born within you - You will never LOSE the gift you were given. It is Christ which makes you righteous by/through faith . . . Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ.
Jesus' blood was shed . . . It's a done deal - God set him forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God. There is NOTHING wrong with people who confess their sins, admit when they have done wrong and ask God to forgive them for sins committed once they were born again. What is the purpose of confessing, admitting one's sin if one doesn't want forgiveness?
Jesus' blood was shed . . . It's a done deal - God set him forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God. There is NOTHING wrong with people who confess their sins, admit when they have done wrong and ask God to forgive them for sins committed once they were born again. What is the purpose of confessing, admitting one's sin if one doesn't want forgiveness?
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what do they call people who think it is ok to sin, and they can live any way they desire? I think Jude calls them lpeople who turn the grace of God to licentiousness. Whose destruction has been fortold.
No true bible believing faith based people goes around thinking my sin is forgiven so I can go live however I please. So please stop with this strawman
No true bible believing faith based people goes around thinking my sin is forgiven so I can go live however I please. So please stop with this strawman
I agree with everything you say ! did I give the impression we are to keep MOSES' law to the letter ?
I believe I mentioned the EXAMPLE of JESUS and HIS teaching...was that not clear enough ? HIS Name should be the sacred Word that transforms everything from old to new ! Praise and Glory to HIM for HIS wondrous work for us and in us ! HE kept His Fathers Commandments to please HIM, not Moses !
I believe I mentioned the EXAMPLE of JESUS and HIS teaching...was that not clear enough ? HIS Name should be the sacred Word that transforms everything from old to new ! Praise and Glory to HIM for HIS wondrous work for us and in us ! HE kept His Fathers Commandments to please HIM, not Moses !
All I'm saying is a few weeks from now this will be the goal. Already nearly everyone believes no one can put their salvation at risk for multitudes of unrepented sin, and that confession of sin doesn't mean we're repenting of sin.
This isn't across the board, but it is the general consensus.
It seems this thread is more about changing minds slowly than repentance.
That's my real point.
This isn't across the board, but it is the general consensus.
It seems this thread is more about changing minds slowly than repentance.
That's my real point.
We finally agree.
We have no sins to account for. They are gone. That's what the Great Exchange is all about. Jesus took all of our sins away and gave us His righteousness.
There is no need to ask forgiveness for sins that have already been forgiven - ALL of them.
Yet again:"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)
All.
Once again, All.
One more time, ALL!
