Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[Lewiz]

2 Peter 3:17
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New International Version
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.

New Living Translation
I am warning you ahead of time, dear friends. Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people and lose your own secure footing.

English Standard Version
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

Berean Study Bible
Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard not to be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore beloved, knowing this beforehand, you beware, lest you should fall from the own steadfastness, having been led away by the error of the lawless.

New American Standard Bible
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,

King James Bible
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

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[Lewiz]

You do not get it, Those who are IN CHRIST are those who Walk not after the flesh. It is who they are, they are new creatures, They are not dogs that keep going back to their vomit (the world) they are made new in christ.

Walking not after the flesh is not a requirement, it is a description of those who are in christ.

eternally-gratefull, are you confidently saying that no true christian whatsoever walks in the flesh?

It seems to me that we only need to look at the BDF to determine that's not true.

With all the division, false doctrine, & arguing, I can't possibly believe that.

 

[Lewiz]

He who does not believe is condemned already,

If jesus died for unbelief, no one would go to hell. Another term for unbelief is blasphemy of the HS. You have basically called him a liar as for the gospel. and replaced his gospel with some other gospel. whatever that gospel may be. it all is based in unbelief.

Here we are, back to the previous statement.

 

[Lewiz]

Blasphemy of the Holy spirit is saying that Jesus wasn't from God but the Holy spirit in Him was actually demonic.

Unbelief could be defined as such but it's kind of confusing. Especially when we have a Bible verse that says "Lord I believe, help my unbelief."

I can understand the sin you are referring to but not sure I would label it the "sin of unbelief" mainly because there are different degrees of unbelief and Jesus definitely can help us overcome our lack of faith (which is also refered to as unbelief). Just as Jesus helps us overcome our doublemindedness.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Lewiz]

SO TRUE what I find troubling is the condemnation those who can't understand this imediately assume were doomed by asking God to foirgive a sin we know we did LOL.

I know, right?

The same ones that tell us we can be saved by a one time act of faith also says we aren't saved if we believe living by faith & faithful works must follow those are saved.

Definitely a double-mindedness in there somewhere.

 

[Lewiz]

Wrong. Wrong. Oh...and wrong.

"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)

This verse is written to the faithful church, not to those who rebelled from the church.

"I am writing to you dear children, because your sins have been FORGIVEN on account of His name." (1 John 2:12)

"dear children" are not those who fall away from Christ. They are the faithful.

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the FORGIVENESS OF SINS: And by Him all that believe ARE JUSTIFIED FROM ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified from the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38-39)

To those that "believe", not those who quit believing.

"...In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14)

This verse is incomplete, and taken out of context.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I thought the above for remission of sins that are past was referring to the sins of the OT saints who lived before Jesus and were under the sacrificial legal system.

They were only covered until Jesus made the one and only perfect sacrifice by his death on the cross.

Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; sins of the past - of sins committed previously . . .

We are by no means perfect and won't be in this earthly body - God is perfecting us and will continue to perfect us - sanctification is a process.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Hey sis, no one is arguing against the fact we need to acknowledge our sin to God.

The discussion is is it "required" to ask for forgiveness.

To me it is "required" for salvation NO - but for a deep relationship with the Father - YES. . . and the reason we acknowledge our sin is to receive forgiveness there's no way around it . . . there would be no other reason for us to acknowledge that we have sinned - He already knows it!

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I would say that confession is relational.

For me and I have said it before.

When I get it wrong I fess it up.
Say "God sorry I did that please work in me"

I do believe that is what I have been saying this entire time!!

 

[BillG]

Blasphemy of the Holy spirit is saying that Jesus wasn't from God but the Holy spirit in Him was actually demonic.

Unbelief could be defined as such but it's kind of confusing. Especially when we have a Bible verse that says "Lord I believe, help my unbelief."

I can understand the sin you are referring to but not sure I would label it the "sin of unbelief" mainly because there are different degrees of unbelief and Jesus definitely can help us overcome our lack of faith (which is also refered to as unbelief). Just as Jesus helps us overcome our doublemindedness.

Not sure I fully agree with this in terms of the Holy Spirit in him was demonic.

The reason being is based on my experience.

I used to go to an Anglican church.
When I went to college I ended up in a Baptist church.

The first time I went I heard tongues being spoken and people going forward for healing.

I left the service saying to myself "What I have seen today is evil"

So have I committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
After all there was a healing and tongues.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

eternally-gratefull, are you confidently saying that no true christian whatsoever walks in the flesh?

It seems to me that we only need to look at the BDF to determine that's not true.

With all the division, false doctrine, & arguing, I can't possibly believe that.

I never said that. or even insinuated that.

So please look again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To me it is "required" for salvation NO - but for a deep relationship with the Father - YES. . . and the reason we acknowledge our sin is to receive forgiveness there's no way around it . . . there would be no other reason for us to acknowledge that we have sinned - He already knows it!

I agree 100% I think we all should acknowledge (confess) our sin to God. and to others.. as we are told to in scripture.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Again, I see it different, the HS points a sin out to EG. Or EG knows he sinned, and his conscious can not let hem get away with it, because he is gods child

So what does he do? He goes to the throneroom of Grace, Gets on his knees, Says God I have sinned against you and only you, by doing this (naming or confessing the sin) Lord help me overcome this desire to live in the flesh (which all sin is) and give me the desire to serve and love others (ie, God get to the root cause of my sin, and help me overcome)
what is Gods answer? I have forgotten your sin, it is no more. Go and do my will

You just asked for forgiveness - not in those exact terms but that is what you did.

 

[Lewiz]

All men are born in unbelief, They have till the day they die to repent and come to faith. As jesus said, You are in DANGER of committing the pardonable sin (yet they actually did)

once you die, Unbelief can not be forgiven.

There's no scripture for that.

 

[BillG]

I do believe that is what I have been saying this entire time!!

For some reason if you look at the post quote it's attributed to you, yet it's my qoute you are responding to.

Yet my response was based on you saying "Forgiveness is relational"

I think we are on the same page.

I would say though that I do not think we do it to receive forgiveness as you say in post 468

I would say that it's to restore the relationship (from our side).

Oh ok I have just had a thought.

Do you say "To receive forgiveness" means to thank God we are forgiven and not confess in order to be forgiven?
Therefore be set free from the guilt and condemnation of sin?

 

[Lewiz]

You reject the gospel and say no to Gods gift, Yes You commit the unpardonable sin.

Mocking the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin.

Luke 12:10
New International Version
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

New Living Translation
Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

English Standard Version
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

New American Standard Bible
"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.

Matthew 12:31
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Mark 3:28
Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin."

 

[BenFTW]

To me it is "required" for salvation NO - but for a deep relationship with the Father - YES. . . and the reason we acknowledge our sin is to receive forgiveness there's no way around it . . . there would be no other reason for us to acknowledge that we have sinned - He already knows it!

There is no parental forgiveness with God. We are forgiven. Yes, there is a relationship and we can be sincere in our apologies to God, but this is not for the sake of forgiveness as if He holds our sins against us. He will tell us that He doesn't hold our sins against us, to assure us of our standing in Christ. He will not condemn.

We acknowledge our sin, because God would have us repent and come to the realization that we don't have to walk that way. There is a new and living way. It is not to obtain forgiveness on any level whatsoever. Your relationship with God is not like your relationship with mankind.

If you wrong someone you must make amends in order to mend that relationship. With God, while we can be sincerely sorry for our wrongs, the mending only comes from our end, by receiving His grace and mercy that is already given to us through Christ. If you sin and say I'm sorry to God, God isn't deciding in that moment to forgive you. He forgave you at the cross when your penalty for sin was paid.

We can grieve God, but His grievance is for us, and not against us. He wants the best for us, and He knows the penalty for sin and its consequences. Its terrible that we would grieve God, who is only for us and not against us. That would bring godly sorrow. Indeed, we can be sorry, express such an apology, and He will without a moments thought tell you that you are forgiven because in Christ Jesus, you are forgiven. Not because you asked for it (in that moment). Surely though, He does rejoice at such fellowship, that you would spend time with Him. The only time God is alienated is by our own doing, because Jesus tore the veil (that separated us from God).

 

[Lewiz]

what do they call people who think it is ok to sin, and they can live any way they desire? I think Jude calls them lpeople who turn the grace of God to licentiousness. Whose destruction has been fortold.

No true bible believing faith based people goes around thinking my sin is forgiven so I can go live however I please. So please stop with this strawman

If I believed I'm saved now & not be able to lose this salvation the way you say, The FIRST thing Satan would do is take advantage of that & sell licentiousness to every baby christian out there, saying something like:

"Since you surely won't lose your salvation, what difference does it make?"

 

[Lewiz]

And here it is:

"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

Done and done.

What really matters is "Do you STILL believe in the One He has sent?"

 

[BenFTW]

If I believed I'm saved now & not be able to lose this salvation the way you say, The FIRST thing Satan would do is take advantage of that & sell licentiousness to every baby christian out there, saying something like:

"Since you surely won't lose your salvation, what difference does it make?"

God's grace is not a license to sin, but the keys to liberty. God tell us what happens under grace, and it is not licentiousness. It is "sin shall not have dominion over you." True grace, God's grace, results in the sanctification of the believer.