Separation from loved ones when you are saved

[Traderjane]

Hello,

I am not Christian (I'm Jewish) but I have been reading a great deal about Christianity lately. Some of it is so beautiful and compelling and I have at times found myself really drawn to it. My question is this: If I accepted Jesus wouldn't that necessarily separate me from the rest of my loved ones in death? My dear beloved grandparents and greatgrandparents are already gone. My parents whom I adore will certainly never become Christians. My husband and children will almost certainly never become Christian. Moreover, what about the millions of my people who have already died including millions of children slaughtered in the holocaust? If I chose Christ, I seperate myself from all of them.

I can't help thinking that I would rather spend eternity with my loved ones whereever they are.

I'm not bringing this up to start a fight. I'm really just unsure how this works.

=jane

 

[Gabriel777]

If you love Jesus more than anything then you would understand why you would be separated and why it's better to be with your Creator than your grandparents. Yeah i agree that it sucks for them to be separated from us but only if for sure they are on their way to hell. Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace but a sword that divides, even family.

 

[zone]

Hello,

I am not Christian (I'm Jewish) but I have been reading a great deal about Christianity lately. Some of it is so beautiful and compelling and I have at times found myself really drawn to it. My question is this: If I accepted Jesus wouldn't that necessarily separate me from the rest of my loved ones in death? My dear beloved grandparents and greatgrandparents are already gone. My parents whom I adore will certainly never become Christians. My husband and children will almost certainly never become Christian. Moreover, what about the millions of my people who have already died including millions of children slaughtered in the holocaust? If I chose Christ, I seperate myself from all of them.

I can't help thinking that I would rather spend eternity with my loved ones whereever they are.

I'm not bringing this up to start a fight. I'm really just unsure how this works.

=jane

hey jane.

this is a really AWESOME POST! i'm so glad you are here!

someone else at this forum (i forget who, but God Bless you) reminded me of this resource elsewhere, but i'll post it here for you. see how He works??? Amazing!

all the answers you need concerning Jesus Christ being the True Messiah are there. please go there.

RealMessiah.com

if you truly are feeling "drawn" to Christ, it's He Who is drawing you: DON'T SHRINK BACK! (see the book written to the HEBREWS, esp below). if you are being called out, DON'T REJECT HIM!

as for losing everything you have, including family: welcome to your NEW FAMILY.

i come from a line of gentile "agnostics"....i had to give up everything when i was drawn (i was dragged) to Calvary. but, as Paul (a Benjamite) said: i count it all as dung.

though as a child i secretly longed for the Jesus i saw on Christmas cards, i knew no more, and decades passed.

i ended up married to an aetheist for 11 years, and we ended in divorce because The Hand of the Lord was so heavy upon me in His intention to get me to Calvary that i fell into a deep sorrow and depression about my life and what it was i was really "supposed to be doing". i was still blind, but if God has chosen you, YOU WILL BE SAVED. my husband died in his condition. it took years of wandering and heartache before Jesus manuevered me to a place where i heard the TRUE gospel and received the faith to believe.

i've basically been on my own since (though in His Awesome Mercy and Power He used me a few years ago to present the Gospel to my only sister, who also now is saved! YAY!!! - take heart, for nothing is impossible for Him regarding your family)

for the time being, the rest of my flesh family is as lost as yours. though i pray for them, and endure the ridicule and condescension while pleading with them to seek The Lord, there's nothing more i can do, and i do NOT WANT TO GO WHERE THE LOST ARE GOING.

being a jew, i'm sure you are very aware of what the cost of acknowledging your LORD AND GOD JESUS will be. as Paul told the early Hebrews who believed, expect to endure a great fight of afflictions (welcome to the Truth), and to be rejected by those who do not believe. a servant is not greater than his Master, is he?

if they did it to Him, they will do it to you: but REJOICE when it happens!

again, go here, where other jews are being offered a chance to find out the Truth:

RealMessiah.com


Hebrews 10
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

love zone.

 

[zone]

Hello,

I am not Christian (I'm Jewish) but I have been reading a great deal about Christianity lately. Some of it is so beautiful and compelling and I have at times found myself really drawn to it. My question is this: If I accepted Jesus wouldn't that necessarily separate me from the rest of my loved ones in death? My dear beloved grandparents and greatgrandparents are already gone. My parents whom I adore will certainly never become Christians. My husband and children will almost certainly never become Christian. Moreover, what about the millions of my people who have already died including millions of children slaughtered in the holocaust? If I chose Christ, I seperate myself from all of them.

I can't help thinking that I would rather spend eternity with my loved ones whereever they are.

I'm not bringing this up to start a fight. I'm really just unsure how this works.

=jane

here's just a sample of questions answered at the site posted:

Can Jewish People Be Saved Without Believing in Jesus?

I wish that I could say, “Yes! God has made a special way for Jews to be saved without believing in Jesus.” After all, my wife and I are Jewish. Our families are Jewish. Many of our friends growing up were Jewish. To this day, I am in close, ongoing contact with religious Jews, and we have had many in-depth discussions about the things of God. They would tell me plainly that they love God deeply but they do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Isn’t there a way for them to be saved without faith in Yeshua?

Certainly, each individual, Jew and Gentile, will have to stand before God on his or her own, and we cannot claim to know the fate of every human being. But of this we can be sure: God has not made a special covenant with the Jewish people that allows them to be saved without Yeshua. The testimony of the Scriptures is clear.

Why then do some Christians teach that Jews can be saved without believing in Jesus? For some, it is primarily a sentimental issue. That is to say—in overly simplistic terms—they go to Israel, they see Jews praying at the Wailing Wall, they recognize that the Jews are the chosen people, they read about the church’s past persecution of the Jews—in the name of Jesus no less—and they simply cannot imagine them being lost. After all, at certain times in history, it appears that the Jews have been far more righteous than the Christians! Isn’t it arrogant, then, to think that believers in Jesus are saved while these righteous Jews are lost? The unspeakable tragedy of the Holocaust has also made it difficult for many Christians to believe that Jews who do not believe in Yeshua will not be saved.

Others, however, base their views on a number of scriptural arguments, most of which boil down to the claim that God gave Israel the Mosaic covenant, and Jews who adhere to that covenant remain in right standing with the Lord. This is allegedly reinforced by Paul, who taught that “those who obey the law who will be declared righteous” and that there will be “glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile” (Romans 2:13, 10), implying that Torah-keeping Jews will be accepted by the Lord as righteous.

These arguments, however, do not stand up to close scrutiny, and the overall message of the New Testament stands against this line of reasoning. Jesus told His fellow Jews that if they knew the Father, they would know Him also, and those who rejected Him rejected the Father as well (see Luke 10:16; John 5:36-47; cf. also 9:39-41). In keeping with this, John wrote that “he who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life,” and that “no one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also” (1 John 5:12; 2:23).



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[Daughter]

Hey Jane

Nothing is impossible with God because He is God.
I have seen people of whom I didn't expect to become believers and when God urged me to preach the gospel to this person I was afraid because I thought they would attack me. Some people attacked me but there were also people who just opened their eyes and really cried because of all the bad things they said about God.
This was a big encouragement to me.
It's great that you're drawn to Christ but maybe it's good to see the similarities between our scriptures.
Everything what's written in the new testament can't go without everything that's written by the prophets and the scriptures of God's people.
By the way, our God still shows us that we are ought to pray for His people in Israel because they still are the chosen people.
That's the great thing about our God, He doesn't break His promises, He is so faithful.

What's so special about the things Yeshua did was that God not only gave the Jews a chance to be saved but also the not-Jews.
The special thing is also that Yeshua was a Jew too and what He has done has been preached by His diciples that were Jews.
The first person that learned that this message was also for non-Jews was Peter.

Anyhow through the scriptures you see that Yeshua has been a promise of God to the Jews first and then to the non-Jews.
The one that tried to distinguish the Jews that believed in Yeshua and the gentiles that believe in Yeshua has been a Roman emperor that used Christianity as a political game to put the gentiles that believed in Yeshua against the Jews, on this way, both of the people that were meant to love each other started to hate each other through History. It's the corruption of a political leader that seperated everything...

At the same time it might be interesting to look at the scriptures.
Here's a part of it...
Matthew 21 (New testament) (KJV)


1And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
2Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
3And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
4All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
6And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
7And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.
8And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
9And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
10And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?
11And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
14And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
15And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased,
16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
17And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and he lodged there.
18Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
19And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
23And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
24And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
25The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
26But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
27And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
33Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.


You will find the texts in bold in the Tanakh.

Matthew 21:5 => Zecharaiah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Matthew 21:9 => Psalm 118:25-26
25Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
26Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.



Matthew 21:13 => Isaiah 56:7 and Jeremiah 7:11

7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Jeremiah7:11
11Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

Matthew21:16 => Psalm 8:2
2Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

And so are there many more texts in the New testament that refer to the Tanakh.

Anyway, I would hope and pray for your family to find Yeshua.
I would pray that the Lord opens the eyes of the heart of your family and trust in Him.

Fear not!

God's peace be with you

Of course it's important to make a choice by yourself... but never let your choices be influenced by fear. What would have happened with Israel if David feared Goliath instead of God?

Much love

Sarah

Sarah

 

[Saint]

It may not seem possible right now, but if you become a Christian and go to heaven, you will be at peace with everything, even with not being with your family. And it's very possible that this will be true here on the earth, because the peace that God gives is beyond comprehension. Whatever descision you make, make it because you know that it is right. And if you choose to become a Christian, and hard times come (like thoughts about your family) then come talk with us. We are all willing to help you through anything you are going through or will go through. And if not us, go to your church members for support.

i'll be praying for you
Saint

 

[Traderjane]

I want to thank you all for your thoughtful posts. This is truly a warm and welcomming community and there is a lot to think about. For me, the question is not whether I can be saved without Christ. Truthfully, if I there is a way to be saved without Christ that would make it easier for me to come to Christianity and not harder. I would know that those I love and those who died before me could find their own way to the Kingdome of God. The pain for me is in the possibility that there is no other way. I don't doubt that God can ease my pain in the afterlife somehow. But that is not my concern. I'm not worried about being sad in death. I am worried about those I love being in pain after their deaths without me there to help them. If my loved ones are in pain and suffering I want to be with them to give them what aid and comfort I can. Isn't it true that Jesus visited Hell and spoke with the rich man there? Doesn't that indicate that the souls are aware and conscious there? How can I abandon them?

I don't really expect answers here. I just don't have anywhere else to post these thoughts.

Again, thanks,

Jane

 

[Daughter]

Dear Jane

Jesus had to die before He was ressurected, In Romans Paul said that we had to die too to be resurrected.
Paul had kind of the same concern, he rather perished himself instead of seeing these other people being perished.
The love you have for your loved ones is beautiful but I can tell you that Yeshua himself said that He is the way the truth and the life and that nobody can come to the father except through Him.
You know that there are many laws in the Tanakh and what the consequences are of sin.
Yeshua took that punishment upon Him for those who accept this gift.

My knowledge is too small to know about those who died, but I can tell you that there's still hope for your loved ones who still live.
Just pray to the Lord and show Him your concern about your loved ones.
Pray that they will be convicted and that their hearts will become soft instead of hardened.
God answers prayers that glorify Him.

Dear Jane, if you want... I'll pray with you for your loved ones that still live to be saved.
God is a loving God and I believe that He answers prayers that glorify His name.

God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son that those who believe in Him shall perish but gain eternal life...

By the way, Jesus Himself said that no one can even come to Jesus untill the Lord draws them to Him.
This means that God is in control...
The fact that you were drawn to Him, wasn't by your own mind or heart... It's God that did this... He can do exactely the same with your loved ones.
It's not going to be easy but you have to trust in God...

Much love in Christ

Sarah

 

[Daughter]

OOps

God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son that those who believe in Him shall NOT perish but gain eternal life...

Sorry for this huge mistake in context...

Sarah

 

[Glowing]

Hello,

I am not Christian (I'm Jewish) but I have been reading a great deal about Christianity lately. Some of it is so beautiful and compelling and I have at times found myself really drawn to it. My question is this: If I accepted Jesus wouldn't that necessarily separate me from the rest of my loved ones in death? My dear beloved grandparents and greatgrandparents are already gone. My parents whom I adore will certainly never become Christians. My husband and children will almost certainly never become Christian. Moreover, what about the millions of my people who have already died including millions of children slaughtered in the holocaust? If I chose Christ, I seperate myself from all of them.

I can't help thinking that I would rather spend eternity with my loved ones whereever they are.

I'm not bringing this up to start a fight. I'm really just unsure how this works.

=jane

Hi Traderjane; It might help you to know that Nobody can truly be the Christian they would hope to be.

Christianity is a practice that we can always improve at. For to make a statement that I am Christian

Is stating that you are as capable of doing what The Messiah did. Although we all wish we could do that

it is unfortunatly impossible to do in the flesh. That is why if anybody asks me what I consider myself

to be, from a religious point of view, I tell them that i am a practising Christian, Adopted into The House

Praise(JUDAH) through no longer my belief in Christ, But through the knowledge of Christ, that has

been revealed to me through my studies in the old teststament, using my English Bible as a textbook

to better understand OUR FATHER YAH'S WORD! in the languages in which HE CHOSE to have them

written in.

All of your concerns reguarding your family are really irrelevant as; ALL SOULS BELONG TO GOD!!!

Love & Peace Forever in CHRIST THE FIRST BEGOTTON CHILD OF CONCIOUSNESS!

P. S. Shining bright before your eyes everyday!

 

[resurrection33]

Hello,

I am not Christian (I'm Jewish) but I have been reading a great deal about Christianity lately. Some of it is so beautiful and compelling and I have at times found myself really drawn to it. My question is this: If I accepted Jesus wouldn't that necessarily separate me from the rest of my loved ones in death? My dear beloved grandparents and greatgrandparents are already gone. My parents whom I adore will certainly never become Christians. My husband and children will almost certainly never become Christian. Moreover, what about the millions of my people who have already died including millions of children slaughtered in the holocaust? If I chose Christ, I seperate myself from all of them.

I can't help thinking that I would rather spend eternity with my loved ones whereever they are.

I'm not bringing this up to start a fight. I'm really just unsure how this works.

=jane

I don’t think heaven is a place. The place we go when we die is called the resurrection. I think heaven is your state of mind when you obey the will of the Lord.

 

[zone]

I want to thank you all for your thoughtful posts. This is truly a warm and welcomming community and there is a lot to think about. For me, the question is not whether I can be saved without Christ. Truthfully, if I there is a way to be saved without Christ that would make it easier for me to come to Christianity and not harder. I would know that those I love and those who died before me could find their own way to the Kingdome of God. The pain for me is in the possibility that there is no other way. I don't doubt that God can ease my pain in the afterlife somehow. But that is not my concern. I'm not worried about being sad in death. I am worried about those I love being in pain after their deaths without me there to help them. If my loved ones are in pain and suffering I want to be with them to give them what aid and comfort I can. Isn't it true that Jesus visited Hell and spoke with the rich man there? Doesn't that indicate that the souls are aware and conscious there? How can I abandon them?

I don't really expect answers here. I just don't have anywhere else to post these thoughts.

Again, thanks,

Jane

dear Jane
the place the souls are now held is not their final destination.
hell will deliver up the souls in it for Judgment.
the final destination is the lake of fire.

if that seems harsh, it gives a glimpse of what Jesus was really doing on The Cross. what He saved us from. it shows THE LOVE OF GOD.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He took our place.
while we were yet sinners, and while we HATED HIM.
He took our sin and punishment, we are granted His IMPUTED Righteousness.

not only is it the ONLY Way, it is PERFECT. rejection of it leads to one destination.

please listen to the following sermon. all about just THE FIRST COMMANDMENT.
you will get a glimpse of how far gone we are, followed by the Glorious Gospel.
a legal use of the Law - to show us how we have ZERO HOPE without Jesus.
you won't regret the time listening.

forget the things that lay behind and press on toward the prize.
with love
zone.

from: SERMONAUDIO . COM

Phil Johnson
No other gods

The Ten Commandments

11/15/2009 (SUN) | Bible: Exodus 20:3



This morning let's look at the First of the Ten Commandments, found in Exodus 20:3. These are the first words God Himself wrote on those tablets of stone: "You shall have no other gods before me."

Turn to Exodus 20, and lets review the opening verses of that chapter, to help fix the context of this passage in our minds:

And God spoke all these words, saying,
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

Now remember the setting. This takes place at the foot of Mount Sinai, before Moses ascends the mountain to commune with God and receive the entire Mosaic code. The entire congregation was gathered there, prepared to hear from God, and they heard a voice that delivered these commandments so that all of them could hear. And it wasn't just a voice. There was thunder, and lightning, and darkness, and the whole earth shook. This was a terrifying experience for the Israelites. Look down at verse 18:

Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off
19 and said to Moses, "You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die."

They begged Moses to have God speak directly to them, so that Moses could be their mediator. The trauma of hearing God's voice directly was simply too much for them to take. And that is why, after the Ten Commandments had been delivered verbally like this, Moses went up the mountain to be alone with God and came back with the words...


SermonAudio.com - No other gods

 

[resurrection33]

Let me add to my earlier post, that I believe we will be with our loved ones in the next life.

 

[loveschild]

You turning your life over to Jesus then your family seeing Jesus in you can save your family.

 

[giantone]

Jesus wasn't in the flesh in Abraham's time and Abraham didn't have Jesus's teachings written down for him to follow, but he believed God was able to do what God said and God accounted that to Abraham as righteousness. Abraham is in heaven.

If i'm right the Jews are still waiting for a Messiah and I would think if they missed Jesus that doesn't necessarily mean they all denied Him they just are looking for Him in the future and not in the past. Abraham believed God to keep His Word, and i'm sure many Jews do as well. Either way Heaven or Hell, when your dead your destination is set in stone, all anyone who is still alive can do is make the best choices they can while they still have breath.

 

[giantone]

Jesus wasn't in the flesh in Abraham's time and Abraham didn't have Jesus's teachings written down for him to follow, but he believed God was able to do what God said and God accounted that to Abraham as righteousness. Abraham is in heaven.

If i'm right the Jews are still waiting for a Messiah and I would think if they missed Jesus that doesn't necessarily mean they all denied Him they just are looking for Him in the future and not in the past. Abraham believed God to keep His Word, and i'm sure many Jews do as well. Either way Heaven or Hell, when your dead your destination is set in stone, all anyone who is still alive can do is make the best choices they can while they still have breath.

After writing this I realized I needed to add something, for some today is the day God is tugging on there hearts, today is the day of decision.

2 Corinthians 3

1 ¶Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 ¶Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Ricke]

Resurrection 33

" I beleive we will be with our loved ones in the next life"
How So? Explain...

 

[Ricke]

One of the things people like to Believe is that everyone who claims to be a Christian is going to live with Jesus Forever.

You will live with him forever, if you follow all the guidelines. And what are those Guidelines? Study for yourself to see if you are traveling on the correct Road...to be sure.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Hell is a place of absolute separation. there is no fellowship with one another there. As for your family, I can only say that we serve a just and loving God. Trust Him regarding this. He will grant you peace and He will do everything short of removing their free will to bring your family into the fold.

 

[Traderjane]

Where in the Bible does it say that there is no fellowship with one another in Hell?