Separation from loved ones when you are saved

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Traderjane

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Hi Mapper,

I don't believe that I ever said anything about Judaism "granting heaven" or even "being right." Judaism's conception of the afterlife are very different from Christianity. It is definately not simpy a matter of two different Heavens. There is no single agreed apon view of the afterlife in Judaism, but a common view is that ALL souls go to be with God after death. All including non-Jews.

What I have been contemplating is the problem that despite the fact that I feel drawn to many things about Christianity, IF I accepted the doctrine as literally true (and not merely metaphorical), then I could never accept salvation becuase it would separate me from my loved ones and my people, many of whom have already died.
 
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Jullianna

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Keep seeking the Truth in the Word of God, jane. Don't let the words of men discourage you or misdirect you. The Word of God is alive and the Holy Spirit can reveal amazing things to you as study. The treasure you are about to find is the Pearl of Great Prize.

My jewish friends who have come to know the Lord have been twice blessed because their knowledge and understand of the culture brings such depth to the scriptures once they meet Him.

Our loving prayers are with you! :)
 
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Wootie

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I got probably a really dumb question to ask but in talking about Jews not getting to heaven the same as Christians, or as explained in this topic discussion. I would like to say I don't really understand the Jewish religion well, other than they think the messiah/saviour hasn't been here yet. If they follow God's law and do believe in their hearts and follow the rules that have been put down for them, thinking that (a saviour) is returning and do what was told them, will they not go to heaven? It kinda makes me think this way; a new christian gets saved, they learn and live according to what they know and then get killed before they learn the whole truth, would they not go to heaven since they were truly trying to do the right thing but just didn't get enough time to learn the whole truth?
 
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Ricke

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Wootie said:
I got probably a really dumb question to ask but in talking about Jews not getting to heaven the same as Christians, or as explained in this topic discussion. I would like to say I don't really understand the Jewish religion well, other than they think the messiah/saviour hasn't been here yet. If they follow God's law and do believe in their hearts and follow the rules that have been put down for them, thinking that (a saviour) is returning and do what was told them, will they not go to heaven? It kinda makes me think this way; a new christian gets saved, they learn and live according to what they know and then get killed before they learn the whole truth, would they not go to heaven since they were truly trying to do the right thing but just didn't get enough time to learn the whole truth?
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Galatians 3 v 26-29 plainly tells US all Jews and Gentiles can be United with The Lord, if they so desire. The Jewish Religion, like all Christian Religions, as well as The Muslims beleive heavily in doing "Good Works" as their key to their gaining Heaven.
 
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Traderjane

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Wootie,

Your questions are really the same as mine. It would be lovely if Christianity taught that everyone who is sincerely trying to live according to God's will as they understood it would be united in Heaven. I believe that C.S. Lewis in one of the Narnia books makes this claim. In the last book in the series the character Aslan (who represents Jesus) states that whoever does good in the name of the evil god is really serving him. When I read these books as a child, I thought that all Christians thought this way. I thought that everyone believed that it did not matter how you named God as long as you served sincerely with a good heart. But I have learned that while some Liberal branches of Christianity do teach this, it is not the common view. I believe that most Christians believe that unless you specifically accept Jesus as savior, no amount of "goodness" can get you into heaven.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Traderjane said:
Wootie,

Your questions are really the same as mine. It would be lovely if Christianity taught that everyone who is sincerely trying to live according to God's will as they understood it would be united in Heaven. I believe that C.S. Lewis in one of the Narnia books makes this claim. In the last book in the series the character Aslan (who represents Jesus) states that whoever does good in the name of the evil god is really serving him. When I read these books as a child, I thought that all Christians thought this way. I thought that everyone believed that it did not matter how you named God as long as you served sincerely with a good heart. But I have learned that while some Liberal branches of Christianity do teach this, it is not the common view. I believe that most Christians believe that unless you specifically accept Jesus as savior, no amount of "goodness" can get you into heaven.
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Even among conservative Christians there is the belief in the possibility of an Abrahamic revelation, that a person seeking God may receive a direct revelation and that revelation may not include all the details of the New Testament, but that the person may achieve a saving faith.
 
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Traderjane

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charisenexcelcis said:
Even among conservative Christians there is the belief in the possibility of an Abrahamic revelation, that a person seeking God may receive a direct revelation and that revelation may not include all the details of the New Testament, but that the person may achieve a saving faith.
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I had heard about this doctrine but I was under the impression that it only applied to people who had never heard word of Christ -- for example, isolated african tribes, and not for people in developed nations who followed other religions. So this kind of salvation would not be available to a Jew in America. Am I mistaken?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Traderjane said:
I had heard about this doctrine but I was under the impression that it only applied to people who had never heard word of Christ -- for example, isolated african tribes, and not for people in developed nations who followed other religions. So this kind of salvation would not be available to a Jew in America. Am I mistaken?
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It would be rare, but if God spoke to Abraham in this way, He can speak to others also. I think that if you are in a country that is awash in the preaching of the gospel, it would be rarer than in isolation, but the principle is that God can reveal Himself to whomever He chooses.
 
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Traderjane

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THank you Charisen. That is more helpful then you know.
 
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Shwagga

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God bless you Traderjane, I am praying for you. :)
 
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