2 John 1:11 Greeting Evil Teachers!

[7seasrekeyed]

I agree completely that we should ask the Lord to teach us by His Spirit. However, He appointed and equipped teachers (among others) to build up the Church. The suggestion that we don't need teachers is therefore rather hollow. You did not respond to the question I posted earlier: what is the fundamental difference between reading a book explaining Scripture and reading a translation of Scripture? Both involve interpretation.

I'll grant that you did not directly make the comparison between teachers and those who consult the dead (etc.). However, even if it was truly inadvertent, it was a poor choice. Divorcing a few words from their immediate context is generally a bad idea, and when that context strongly implies far more than you intend, it's best to clarify your intent or choose a different reference without the baggage. In any case, God was not rebuking Israel for seeking legitimate instruction, but rather for the seeking of revelation through spiritism.

the Bible would support the highlighted above in many places!

 

[Depleted]

I wish I could do stained glass mosaics
I would R. E. A. L. L. Y. love to do that

Go for it. It doesn't cost much to start. It does cost more if you get to the point of loving it though. (I hoarded glass for years. lol)

 

[Depleted]

This part of the post is irrelevant to what follows!



This is an excellent example of false teaching! John is NOT writing to Christians at large—he is writing to a specific but unidentified local body of believers. Furthermore, he is NOT writing about false teachers at large—he is writing about “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. (v. 7, NRSV)

The context,

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!
8. Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward.
9. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10. Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching;
11. for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person. (NRSV)



It means absolutely nothing for forums like CC—unless someone is denying that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

So the only false teachers are those who deny Jesus came in the flesh?

Oi vey!

 

[Sagart]

2 John 1:

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:


Does the doctrine of Christ mentioned in 2 John 1:9 and this doctrine mentioned in 2 John 1:10 relate only to confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh mentioned in 2 John 1:7?

Yes!

Or, does the doctrine of Christ mentioned in 2 John 1:9 and this doctrine mentioned in 2 John 1:10 relate to the teachings and Words of Christ, in addition to confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh mentioned in 2 John 1:7?

No! The teachings of Christ are interpreted in so many different ways even within immediate families that we would not be able greet even the members of our own families!

 

[Ariel82]

So who gets to decide what is biblical and what isn't? There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of doctrinal issues and practices that various protestant denominations disagree on. And here on CC when people try to discuss an issue and ask questions to sort things out for themselves, they often meet with rude, acerbic responses and accusations of hypocrisy—sometimes coming from ministers or other members of the clergy who post here.

How can one decide what those evil false teachings are, and seek the truth? What's a person to do?

James 3

 

[Ariel82]

I’m sorry that I used the word “shun.” It was a hyperbole, exaggeration for the sake of effect. I had already discussed in detail what I thought this was about. Certainly, we do sometimes have to leave it to God to rebuke and teach. All we can do is love them, and “speak the truth in love.” For sure!

In fact, that is why I rarely put people on ignore, although sometimes I check and see if someone is totally off base, so that even a babe in Christ could see it, and just leave them alone. But, those who SEEM to be presenting good doctrine, but in fact, are using bad eisegesis to spew their false doctrine, I do respond to. Especially when I see people responding and saying “Oh, I never knew that!” When in fact, it was a total fabrication.

And then, there are the false teachers that get page long copy and pastes. Those who are calling themselves teachers and don’t know the basics of Bible interpretation, who make up false doctrines, “to deceive even the very elect,” those I do go after.
And probably not in love, which is why I sometimes take breaks, to adjust my attitude. Sadly, when the same lies from the same copy and paste teachers when I come back, the love meter goes back down.

Which is my bad! And I would like to comment on your last comment. Rob Plummer is not an atypical of a seminary professor. All the ones I learned under have such an understanding of God’s love (and justice) such an amazing understanding of the Bible, and a sincere love of people, they are incredible models of how we are to walk as Christians. I learned more about how we are to live as Christians in seminary, than I did about anything else. (And I learned a lot of “facts!”).

When people come on here and trash seminary and professors, in conservative seminaries, I just wish they could talk to these professors for an hour. They would truly learn the way God wants us to go. To walk with God, and to love him and our neighbor as ourselves. That was all my seminary profs. I took classes in 2 other seminaries for transfer credit too, and they were the same. The love of God just flowed through them. I guess you don’t get to that level in a conservative seminary in Canada, without having more than just credentials on a piece of paper. The seminary where I got my degree, every professor was American, but had been missionaries for at least 10 years, many for more. And besides teaching seminary, they would to help the local congregations. My theology prof had been in China for many years. He said the men would not participate in preaching, only the women, that was their culture. He learned that his southern US Southern Baptist perspective, might not work in other cultures, and the churches he helped plant, grew. Then there were Hungarian church plants, Cantonese, Hispanic (Portuguese and Spanish) and so forth. That city was a mission field for my seminary, and none of those people took a dime for helping out these young churches.

I wish I could live up to their standards. But, I am not discouraged, as if you knew me before I was saved, before I went to seminary, you would see an incredible difference. Not there yet, but, one day, I will see Christ face to face, and then there will be no more struggles or crying. So looking forward to the coming of Christ! Praise God!

That is a great testimony.

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but just wanted to comment that I thought the main point of the scripture in the OP is for us to be careful who we allow to preach in our churches.

HOW the verse applies in forums?

I guess it's something we have to pray over.

If we see someone post something we know is against the Bible, we definitely need to post the Truth.

However how we do it matters just as much as what we say.

Do we speak because of love for the wrong person who is trapped in lies?

or are we only protecting those we deem worthy of our love and attacking?

Jesus says for us to live our enemies for even heathens love those who love them.

 

[Ariel82]

But we can certainly apply to this forum, our churches, too. Especially because literally every NT writer brings up the topic of false teachers, there are enough quotes that we can certainly apply this.

I am sorry I wasn’t more clear in my OP. I also did not just mean the passage, but all the garbage that is being posted in this forum right now. From purgatory to WoF. Just false teachings, leading even the very elect astray.


“For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”Matt 24:24

But, it would make an interesting study all the times, false teachers/prophets, and so forth was mentioned, and what the circumstances were!

That would make an interesting study.

I haven't posted in most threads because it's normally the same folks posting over and over again.

Sometimes we have to listen to Jesus admonish...let the blind lead the blind for both shall fall into a ditch.

Jesus didn't battle every false teacher.

But if they approached Him for a fight,he didn't back down and clearly laid out the Truth with logic and scriptures. I hope we can learn from Him and do the same when faced with lies.

Sometimes He even was silent when accused before His crucifixion.

To me it says there is no set way to respond but something we have to pray about and follow as God leads us to speak or stay silent.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

2 John 1:

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:


Does the doctrine of Christ mentioned in 2 John 1:9 and this doctrine mentioned in 2 John 1:10 relate only to confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh mentioned in 2 John 1:7?

Yes!

Or, does the doctrine of Christ mentioned in 2 John 1:9 and this doctrine mentioned in 2 John 1:10 relate to the teachings and Words of Christ, in addition to confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh mentioned in 2 John 1:7?

No! The teachings of Christ are interpreted in so many different ways even within immediate families that we would not be able greet even the members of our own families!

So you're okay with a pastor / teacher committing adultery as long as he confesses Jesus Christ is Lord? You'd greet that pastor with open arms?

Or the pastor who fleeces his flock financially? As long as he tells the congregation that Jesus Christ is Lord, he can financially run amuck? And that's okay with you?

That is the whole point of the lesson given at the link (see Post #4).

Again, here's the gist of what is shared at the link:

For the one who says to him greetings shares in his wicked works.

There's a way to publicly interact with false teachers that gives the impression that we're endorsing them, validating them, encouraging them, that would lead people astray to follow them and John rebukes us if that's where we're headed and says "No. If you do that … If you greet them … If you publicly interact with them in such a way as to endorse and validate this false teaching, you actually share in the false teaching". It's like you're doing these wicked works too. You're partially doing them. And so this is a call to discernment. May God help us to be people of both love and grace and people of truth that we may speak the truth in love.

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[Sagart]

So you're okay with a pastor / teacher committing adultery as long as he confesses Jesus Christ is Lord? You'd greet that pastor with open arms?

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!
8. Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward.
9. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10. Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching;
11. for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person. (NRSV)

John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about persons committing adultery.

Or the pastor who fleeces his flock financially? As long as he tells the congregation that Jesus Christ is Lord, he can financially run amuck? And that's okay with you?

John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about the pastor who fleeces his flock financially.

That is the whole point of the lesson given at the link (see Post #4).

Again, here's the gist of what is shared at the link:

The lesson was supposed to be a Greek lesson on 2 John 1:11, but the teacher, Robert L. Plummer, put aside two facts that are critical to the correct interpretation of the verse.

Fact 1: John is NOT writing to Christians at large—he is writing to a specific but unidentified local body of believers (the elect lady and her children [v. 1]).

Fact 2: John is NOT writing about false teachers at large—he is writing about “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

As for the Greek part of his lesson, he seriously errors in not realizing that the clause,
οἱ μὴ ὁμολογοῦντες Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐρχόμενο modifies the phrase πολλοὶ πλάνοι.

 

[miknik5]

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!
8. Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward.
9. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10. Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching;
11. for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person. (NRSV)

John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about persons committing adultery.



John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about the pastor who fleeces his flock financially.

Paul does. Paul says anyone who brings another gospel let him be accursed
Thats who w are told not to bring into our house

Paul also goes on to clarify that no one can call JESUS LORD except by The Spirit
This is in line to John saying “but you have an anointing from the HOLY ONE....and if what we began in remains in us we will remain n both the father and the son

We’re supposed to REMAIN in HIM and not go out from
HIM. Some haven’t even begun IN HIM and therefore should not be teaching because they are not born and led by HIS SPIRIT And they will be made manifest by those born and led by HIS SPIRIT

Some have, according to John, gone out from HIM

They may have begun in HIM (and did not initially deny HE cane in the flesh) but went out, progressed above, added to the doctrine of CHRIST

were not to go beyond what is written. It’s as simple as that

They shipwrecked their faith and are made manifest by their words by those who can judge and discern what can only be understood because of THE SPIRIT

Regardles if it was written in Greek, it was written to ALL Believers: yesterday, today, and tomorrow

 

[louis]

Paul also goes on to clarify that no one can call JESUS LORD except by The Spirit
This is in line to John saying “but you have an anointing from the HOLY ONE....and if what we began in remains in us we will remain n both the father and the son

Believing in your heart that the Lords Way of loving ones neighbor, believing in truth and justice, is the Way, is what calling Jesus Lord by the Spirit means.
Many will come who will have confessed Christ as Lord, to whom the Lord will address as never having known them (Matthew 7:22-23).
What this means is these individuals never having known love.

Matthew 7:22 [FONT=&quot]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[/FONT]

 

[Joseppi]

Fact 1: John is NOT writing to Christians at large—he is writing to a specific but unidentified local body of believers (the elect lady and her children [v. 1]).

All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable...
It is presumptious to pretend to know what people were thinking long ago and then allow that preposterous opinionating to govern one's understanding.
Read the passage in plain speech and thank God his written word is unto all generations.

Fact 2: John is NOT writing about false teachers at large—he is writing about “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

2 John presents the love of God as revealed by Jesus Christ as the doctrine of Christ.
Whereas, in verse 7 we are told that deniers of Jesus Christ having come in the flesh, "a" deceiver and "a" antichrist. It doesn't say "the deceiver nor does it say "the" antichrist.
Of course a sloppy bible might say all manner of loosely worded stuff as per the whims of some so called scholar trying to sell a lollipop version bible to naive readers.

And the 7th verse began by informing the reader that unlike whst you have said, that there are many deceivers.

 

[garee]

I am all for people reading the Bible for themselves. However, I think that equating bible teachers with those who consult the dead on behalf of the living is out of line. God Himself appoints teachers - it says so in Ephesians 4. Further, not all of us read Greek and/or Hebrew. What is the difference, fundamentally, between reading a translation (men telling other men what God "really" said) and Bible teachers (men telling other men what the God "really" said)?

No difference. Its not the approval of men seen that we are to seek after . That would be a pagan foundation like that of Isaiah 8. The word of God is not a lamp unto their feet or a light on the path .They serve another kind of gospel of signs and lying wonders

In regard to teaching sometimes I forget there are different kinds. God creates after kinds, where the father of lies would represent the anti -kinds or types (Counterfeit)and takes away the the division between light and darkness .(Counterfeit)

It applies to different kinds of teaching. Satan loves to use the difference to make it as if it was all one and the same. In that way we can see that kind of teaching offended God in Mathew 16.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man and we also learn confirming that Christ cannot deny himself even when men deny himself in unbelief .If he has begun the good work he will finish it to the end. .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the “things that be of God”, but “those that be of men”.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:22

I think it has to do more with what kind of teacher we are to be..seeing we are informed just as one is our father in heaven the same applies to teacher as master or lord... no man can serve two teachers as masters in respect to the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit. For one will be loved and the other hated or one will be hated and the other loved . Christ alone is the infallible interpreter not seen. In that way we can only serve one master walking by the light of His faithfulness, the unseen glory.

Don’t you ever be called ‘rabbi’—you have only one teacher, and all of you are brothers. And don’t call any human being ‘father’—for you have one Father and he is in Heaven. And you must not let people call you ‘leaders’—you have only one leader, Christ! The only ‘superior’ among you is the one who serves the others.Mathew 23

We can teach or share on how we can hear Him as we do work out his commandment to study and seek after his approval (2Timothy 2:15). He gives us many prescriptions so we can seek after him.

Seeking the approval of men walking by sight is a condition of the antichrists’ like those mentioned in Isiah 8 .

There foundation like Catholicism is built on necromancy which is seeking( necromancy) after disembodied workers with familiar spirits, the Legion (many gods) spoken of when Christ asked the name of one demon possessed . The Legion as one made up of many simply blasphemes our father in heaven not seen .

The Catholics foundation is built on necromancy in that way. They have over 3500 disembodied workers with familiar spirits that they must call patron saints. And when the legion does rise an image idol teraphim must be worshiped to give each one its proper face according to the work assigned to that god . Without the sinking sands of necromancy Catholicism like apostate Israel has no foundation.

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is "Legion": for we are many.


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[garee]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable...
It is presumptious to pretend to know what people were thinking long ago and then allow that preposterous opinionating to govern one's understanding.
Read the passage in plain speech and thank God his written word is unto all generations.

2 John presents the love of God as revealed by Jesus Christ as the doctrine of Christ.
Whereas, in verse 7 we are told that deniers of Jesus Christ having come in the flesh, "a" deceiver and "a" antichrist. It doesn't say "the deceiver nor does it say "the" antichrist.
Of course a sloppy bible might say all manner of loosely worded stuff as per the whims of some so called scholar trying to sell a lollipop version bible to naive readers.

And the 7th verse began by informing the reader that unlike whst you have said, that there are many deceivers.

Many antichrists plural as men influenced by the one antichrist as the god of this world Satan the serpent etc .The antichrist Satan has a legion of spirit gods to do his will spreading lies that attempt to make the gospel without effect. .

There are those who are being seduced and those who are not who are already seduced. There are those who are becoming a part of us and some going out from us. The warning of the antichrist is in respect to the believer. The unbeliever has no faith by which he could hear God. Being dead in his trespass and sin without God and therefore without a living abiding hope.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as ithath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1Jo 2:26

The antichrist was in the garden the brood of viper's beginning as the law of the fathers, laws as oral traditions of men.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!
8. Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward.
9. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10. Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching;
11. for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person. (NRSV)

John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about persons committing adultery.



John explicitly states in verse 7 who it is that the body of believers to whom he is writing is not to “receive in the house or to welcome”, that is, “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” He does NOT, in this passage, tell anyone what to do about the pastor who fleeces his flock financially.

And verse 9 further expands to include those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ. This includes that which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ taught to His disciples. There is teaching about Christ (that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh – 2 John 1:7) and there is the teaching of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (that which He established as the Word of God as opposed to the doctrines of men).

Matthew 15:

1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The lesson was supposed to be a Greek lesson on 2 John 1:11, but the teacher, Robert L. Plummer, put aside two facts that are critical to the correct interpretation of the verse.

Fact 1: John is NOT writing to Christians at large—he is writing to a specific but unidentified local body of believers (the elect lady and her children [v. 1]).

And Jesus Christ spoke to His disciples. So we do not follow the teachings of Christ because He did not speak to us personally?

Fact 2: John is NOT writing about false teachers at large—he is writing about “those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

As for the Greek part of his lesson, he seriously errors in not realizing that the clause,
οἱ μὴ ὁμολογοῦντες Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐρχόμενο modifies the phrase πολλοὶ πλάνοι.

What Mr. Plummer said is:

Many deceivers have gone out into the world.

And then we have an appositional restatement of who these many deceivers are.

Who are they? Well they're the ones not confessing.

Not confessing who? Not confessing Jesus as the Christ coming in the flesh.

So, what we have here is double accusative construction.

We have the first accusative, our object (Jesus)
Our second accusative, the complement (Christon)

Confessing Jesus as the Christ and then Christ is modified by this attributive participle (erchomenon).

https://dailydoseofgreek.com/scripture-passage/2-john-1-7/

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Mr. Plummer did, in fact, identify who the "many deceivers" are.

As used in grammar, apposition is a relationship between two or more words or phrases in which the two units are grammatically parallel and have the same referent (e.g., my friend Sue; the first US president, George Washington.)

I do not believe Mr. Plummer seriously erred as you state.

 

[Angela53510]

And verse 9 further expands to include those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ. This includes that which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ taught to His disciples. There is teaching about Christ (that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh – 2 John 1:7) and there is the teaching of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (that which He established as the Word of God as opposed to the doctrines of men).

Matthew 15:

1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.





And Jesus Christ spoke to His disciples. So we do not follow the teachings of Christ because He did not speak to us personally?





What Mr. Plummer said is:



Mr. Plummer did, in fact, identify who the "many deceivers" are.

As used in grammar, apposition is a relationship between two or more words or phrases in which the two units are grammatically parallel and have the same referent (e.g., my friend Sue; the first US president, George Washington.)

I do not believe Mr. Plummer seriously erred as you state.

I agree with this post! However, it is Dr. Plummer. PhD’s count! He is a seminary professor!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I agree with this post! However, it is Dr. Plummer. PhD’s count! He is a seminary professor!

Apologies for any oversight on my part ...