2 Timothy 3:16. I had a question asked of me and didn't know how to answer.

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  • What “scripture” do you suppose Timothy had in mind when he wrote 3:16? As I understand it, neither the bible, as we know it, nor the N.T. existed at that point of time. Again, as I understand it, there were many writings that did not make the cut to be canonized.



  • I answered:
    I think it is good to question the Word of God but most important is to ask why it has endured.
    The Word of Our God stands forever
    It certainly has endured. It has survived centuries of manual transcription, of persecution, of ever changing philosophies, of all kinds of critics, of doubt and disbelief – and still, it endures.
    For eighteen hundred years there have been people that have been refuting and overthrowing this book, and yet it stands today solid as a rock. Its circulation increases, and it is more loved and cherished and read today than ever before.
    In 303 A.D. the Roman Emperor demanded that every copy of the scriptures in Rome be burned.
    Comment: If this book had not been the Book of God, men would have destroyed it long ago. There is so, so much more to it. The prophecies and the foreshadowing make it a miracle in itself. It builds up faith as you study it and makes me realize how much God loves us. He wants to have a love affair with us.
    I don’t know all the answers but I know what happened to me when I started reading it.



  • I think the verse is more about the function and purpose of Scripture, and not about the origin.

    That is what I answered but I don't think I came even close to answering his question. If anyone has anything that I could add I would appreciate it.





 
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Lissette6139 said:
  • What “scripture” do you suppose Timothy had in mind when he wrote 3:16? As I understand it, neither the bible, as we know it, nor the N.T. existed at that point of time. Again, as I understand it, there were many writings that did not make the cut to be canonized.
  • I answered:
    I think it is good to question the Word of God but most important is to ask why it has endured.
    The Word of Our God stands forever
    It certainly has endured. It has survived centuries of manual transcription, of persecution, of ever changing philosophies, of all kinds of critics, of doubt and disbelief – and still, it endures.
    For eighteen hundred years there have been people that have been refuting and overthrowing this book, and yet it stands today solid as a rock. Its circulation increases, and it is more loved and cherished and read today than ever before.
    In 303 A.D. the Roman Emperor demanded that every copy of the scriptures in Rome be burned.
    Comment: If this book had not been the Book of God, men would have destroyed it long ago. There is so, so much more to it. The prophecies and the foreshadowing make it a miracle in itself. It builds up faith as you study it and makes me realize how much God loves us. He wants to have a love affair with us.
    I don’t know all the answers but I know what happened to me when I started reading it.
  • I think the verse is more about the function and purpose of Scripture, and not about the origin.

    That is what I answered but I don't think I came even close to answering his question. If anyone has anything that I could add I would appreciate it.




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Are you the owner of the blog you copy-pasted from?
 
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Are you the owner of the blog you copy-pasted from?
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No I am just a member. It is a lady that answers all the questions from BSF but is not allowed to put in the questions because they are copyrighted. We can ask questions and answer but only on the scriptures being studied.
 
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It is interesting that Peter called Paul's writings 'Scripture'.

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2Pe 3:15-16)

Perhaps Paul was speaking under inspiration as Peter was when he penned 2Tim 3:16

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(2Ti 3:16)


...to definitely include all the OT and what had been written up to that time by the Apostles.
 
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Now this is what I'm talking about crossnote. Well done. Very good, scholarly even. :)


crossnote said:
It is interesting that Peter called Paul's writings 'Scripture'.

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2Pe 3:15-16)

Perhaps Paul was speaking under inspiration as Peter was when he penned 2Tim 3:16

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(2Ti 3:16)


...to definitely include all the OT and what had been written up to that time by the Apostles.
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Lissette6139 said:
  • What “scripture” do you suppose Timothy had in mind when he wrote 3:16? As I understand it, neither the bible, as we know it, nor the N.T. existed at that point of time. Again, as I understand it, there were many writings that did not make the cut to be canonized.
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Paul wrote this letter to Timothy :)

at the time all of the old testament existed - Moses' books, the psalms, the prophets.
Peter calls Paul's writings "scripture" (2 Peter 3:16), and he also says in 2 Peter 1:21 that prophets spoke when moved by the Holy Spirit.
there in the letter to Timothy, Paul also calls all scripture "God-breathed."
in John 14:26, Christ says the Holy Spirit will cause them to remember all the things that He said to them.
so the old testament that we have now, scripture. and the new testament epistles written by the apostles moved by the Holy Spirit, scripture. and the new testament gospel records of Christ, also inspired by the Holy Spirit, scripture.
 
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Thank you Crossroads. 2 Peter 3:15-16 I agree is a good answer. I don't want to start a debate with that person but the truth is sometimes hard to understand, especially if you haven't accepted Jesus and received the Holy Spirit. He is the one that opens our understanding. I remember what a skeptic I was before I became a Christian.
 
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Thanks Post.

Paul wrote this letter to Timothy :)

at the time all of the old testament existed - Moses' books, the psalms, the prophets.

That is what I didn't know.
 
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crossnote said:
It is interesting that Peter called Paul's writings 'Scripture'.

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2Pe 3:15-16)

Perhaps Paul was speaking under inspiration as Peter was when he penned 2Tim 3:16

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(2Ti 3:16)


...to definitely include all the OT and what had been written up to that time by the Apostles.
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Hello crossnote,

The Scripture that you quoted above is exactly what I have used at times to bring to the attention of those groups out there who proclaim that Paul was a false apostle and liar, claiming that his writings were not God inspired. I don't know if you have encountered these people or not. But, if Peter called those at that time, ignorant and unstable who distorted Paul's writings and that to their own destruction, then those who do the same today would fall under that same condemnation.
 
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A few other things we can use.

Paul reasoned with the use of scripture.

Acts 17:2
Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

How could they use scripture to test what Paul or anyone else was saying if as many want to tell us today, the word of God (scripture) would not be given for a few hundred years yet?
 
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1PETER:1:11-12.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

the message is that the prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them, so what they wrote was
inspired by Him and it is 'for us', as the scriptures plainly state...

oh sweet Jesus, thank You for the knowledge You have shared with us through Your
precious prophets and apostles....this gift from You to mankind is, without exception,
a magnificent wonder that we can only comprehend through You loving grace.....

thank brethren for the knowledge you have shared, for the love of Christ and the love of His Word
which unites us together....
 
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oldthennew said:
1PETER:1:11-12.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

the message is that the prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them, so what they wrote was
inspired by Him and it is 'for us', as the scriptures plainly state...

oh sweet Jesus, thank You for the knowledge You have shared with us through Your
precious prophets and apostles....this gift from You to mankind is, without exception,
a magnificent wonder that we can only comprehend through You loving grace.....

thank brethren for the knowledge you have shared, for the love of Christ and the love of His Word
which unites us together....
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Amen, all God breathed scripture given by the prophets of old, apostles, and disciples spoken by the Holy Spirit is the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the words of God.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

1 John 2:14
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

Romans 10:6-8 "But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"


1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 
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All is conclusive of all when used in context....Every verse given by God both past, present and what was yet to be future are inspired of God and profitable....
 
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