How many souls have you won for the lord baptist by saying REPENT YOU SINNER..... none right..... Your exactly right god does the convincing/and convicting... and so it is up to each individual as of to how they want to worship the lord and what type of music they would like to do it with..... It is not your job to tell anyone that there view of evangelism are unscriptual and faulty, i am personally offended by that statement and by how judgemental it was...
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In my church we do believe that only God can bring people to the church. But at the same time we believe that God gave us amazing musicians in the church to help us do that. Unbelievers that may be moved by music come to our church, while unbelievers that are moved by well whatever will go to whatever church.
I agree that music should not be the main thing of what draws people in( even though it does anyway). However, we know from the book of pslams that having music is ok. Does the bible define what is ok? Well, babtist gave a good definition of what worship is.
2. To pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration; to perform religious exercises in honor of; to adore; to venerate.
So what kind of music is ok? Everyone dances to the beat of a different drum. As long as your heart is in the right place and the words to the music( if any words are there) line up with Gods word, then what is the problem?
i tell you, if you think that rock and roll or rap or whatever is evil, then you;re attacking the wrong thing. Those who take those things and perver them are the ones who are doing what is evil. Like someone said, music isn't a sentient being. By your defintion kitten, guns are evil because they were made of the world and used by the world, and connected to that, steel is also evil.
But I digress, God made nothing evil, but people took Gods things and made them evil.
I would like to ask, what IS music we should use in church? Every generation had different music they listened to and then label the ne generation as " evil" or "not as good" as theirs. Please, someone tell me what music I should play in church, I would gladly like to know.
2. To pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration; to perform religious exercises in honor of; to adore; to venerate.
So what kind of music is ok? Everyone dances to the beat of a different drum. As long as your heart is in the right place and the words to the music( if any words are there) line up with Gods word, then what is the problem?
i tell you, if you think that rock and roll or rap or whatever is evil, then you;re attacking the wrong thing. Those who take those things and perver them are the ones who are doing what is evil. Like someone said, music isn't a sentient being. By your defintion kitten, guns are evil because they were made of the world and used by the world, and connected to that, steel is also evil.
But I digress, God made nothing evil, but people took Gods things and made them evil.
I would like to ask, what IS music we should use in church? Every generation had different music they listened to and then label the ne generation as " evil" or "not as good" as theirs. Please, someone tell me what music I should play in church, I would gladly like to know.
B
Not with those exact words but with other gospel presentation methods a good number. We can worship God whatever way we please, but we are guilty of profane worship if it is not how God wants it. Base your views on the Scriptures, it offends me to see people say what God accepts and doesn't accept when the Scriptures are clear that God is holy and our worship should be offered on His terms not ours. No wonder the church is a total joke nowadays, people don't know the Bible!
Exactly......... not with those exact words.... not with any words for that matter.... I do agree we can worship god any way we please, and we are guitly of profane worship if it is not how god wants it... Im not gonna throw at you a bunch of bible verses baptist...... because we would be doing that all day long..... My simple view on this is that... you are no person to say that god doesnt use music to draw people in... he may use which ever method he chooses, and to say that he doesnt use music... or anything else... is limiting him...
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The psalms were music used for worship, and the NT says singing should be ''to the Lord''.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:16-17 (KJV)
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:19-20 (KJV)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:16-17 (KJV)
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:19-20 (KJV)
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I will say this...just from reading a bit.. Baptist, i'm in total agreement with you. The Lord DOES draw the ppl. And ..i don't know as that EVER in the scripture music was used to draw the ppl to the lord (i doubt it was in there at all) Music was always used to praise the lord... But...that doesn't mean the lord cannot use music to draw ppl to him. If we say that the Lord cannot draw ppl through music...we put a limit on God...and our God is limitless
Now in my experience going to churches and coffee shoppes...My songs are....well preaching...they usually tell a story from the bible or say...'why are we doing this or that'.. Now...ppl hear a song..and just hear the music and the way the song is sang..and judge if it is good by that...and THEN they hear the words... But...Not only is my singing ministry singing..but...in between songs....there's preaching..and telling ppl that they should repent...and...that.. There's no greater thing than the Lord.... THAT is what a music ministry is about...and what it is like... It's my firm believe that The Lord can touch us where we're at...beit with music..or through preaching...cuz...in the end...(at least in my case) The music is still preaching.
Not to rip anyone that's not my intent here..i'm just...stating how things are from my POV And i hope this has done good
Now in my experience going to churches and coffee shoppes...My songs are....well preaching...they usually tell a story from the bible or say...'why are we doing this or that'.. Now...ppl hear a song..and just hear the music and the way the song is sang..and judge if it is good by that...and THEN they hear the words... But...Not only is my singing ministry singing..but...in between songs....there's preaching..and telling ppl that they should repent...and...that.. There's no greater thing than the Lord.... THAT is what a music ministry is about...and what it is like... It's my firm believe that The Lord can touch us where we're at...beit with music..or through preaching...cuz...in the end...(at least in my case) The music is still preaching.
Not to rip anyone that's not my intent here..i'm just...stating how things are from my POV
And i hope this has done good
B
I will say this...just from reading a bit.. Baptist, i'm in total agreement with you. The Lord DOES draw the ppl. And ..i don't know as that EVER in the scripture music was used to draw the ppl to the lord (i doubt it was in there at all) Music was always used to praise the lord... But...that doesn't mean the lord cannot use music to draw ppl to him. If we say that the Lord cannot draw ppl through music...we put a limit on God...and our God is limitless
Now in my experience going to churches and coffee shoppes...My songs are....well preaching...they usually tell a story from the bible or say...'why are we doing this or that'.. Now...ppl hear a song..and just hear the music and the way the song is sang..and judge if it is good by that...and THEN they hear the words... But...Not only is my singing ministry singing..but...in between songs....there's preaching..and telling ppl that they should repent...and...that.. There's no greater thing than the Lord.... THAT is what a music ministry is about...and what it is like... It's my firm believe that The Lord can touch us where we're at...beit with music..or through preaching...cuz...in the end...(at least in my case) The music is still preaching.
Not to rip anyone that's not my intent here..i'm just...stating how things are from my POV And i hope this has done good
Now in my experience going to churches and coffee shoppes...My songs are....well preaching...they usually tell a story from the bible or say...'why are we doing this or that'.. Now...ppl hear a song..and just hear the music and the way the song is sang..and judge if it is good by that...and THEN they hear the words... But...Not only is my singing ministry singing..but...in between songs....there's preaching..and telling ppl that they should repent...and...that.. There's no greater thing than the Lord.... THAT is what a music ministry is about...and what it is like... It's my firm believe that The Lord can touch us where we're at...beit with music..or through preaching...cuz...in the end...(at least in my case) The music is still preaching.
Not to rip anyone that's not my intent here..i'm just...stating how things are from my POV
And i hope this has done good
N
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X21ThZyS4A
sais here that Christmas carols were concidered satanic by Oliver Cromwell in the 1600's
The Apostles sang songs of praise, many based on the Psalms. As founders of the churches, their enthusiasm inspired their new congregations into song. But unfortunately they did not leave us any copies of the musical scores.
One of the earliest known Christmas songs is from the 4th Century, Jesus refulsit omnium, composed by St. Hilary of Poitiers. During the 12th Century, St Francis of Assisi formally introduced Christmas carols to church services. As patron of the arts, he inspired the composers and poets of the day to deliver Christmas music. The lighter joyous Christmas songs were introduced many years later in Renaissance Italy - the 1400s, the time of Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo The earliest known copy of an English carol was written by Ritson about 1410. Throughout the years, monks also contributed significantly in composing music themes from the Bible.
When Johannes Gutenberg started his printing press rolling in 1454 copies of carols could be distributed fairly freely. However, keep in mind that Christmas celebrations were suppressed by puritans at that time; Christmas did not become widely popular until late last century. Thus, many of the Christmas carols that we know today are not quoted directly from the Bible and were composed fairly recently.
Carols are banned but bounce back
Fortunately, in Europe, when carols couldn't be sung in Churches, they found a stage elsewhere. The world's most famous religious play, the Passion Play, was staged in Oberammergau, Germany in 1634 (and has been performed every 10 years since). In the 1700s, the music by Mendelssohn and Hndel was adapted and used as Christmas carols.
http://www.didyouknow.org/xmas/xmascarols.htm
sais here that Christmas carols were concidered satanic by Oliver Cromwell in the 1600's
The Apostles sang songs of praise, many based on the Psalms. As founders of the churches, their enthusiasm inspired their new congregations into song. But unfortunately they did not leave us any copies of the musical scores.
One of the earliest known Christmas songs is from the 4th Century, Jesus refulsit omnium, composed by St. Hilary of Poitiers. During the 12th Century, St Francis of Assisi formally introduced Christmas carols to church services. As patron of the arts, he inspired the composers and poets of the day to deliver Christmas music. The lighter joyous Christmas songs were introduced many years later in Renaissance Italy - the 1400s, the time of Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo The earliest known copy of an English carol was written by Ritson about 1410. Throughout the years, monks also contributed significantly in composing music themes from the Bible.
When Johannes Gutenberg started his printing press rolling in 1454 copies of carols could be distributed fairly freely. However, keep in mind that Christmas celebrations were suppressed by puritans at that time; Christmas did not become widely popular until late last century. Thus, many of the Christmas carols that we know today are not quoted directly from the Bible and were composed fairly recently.
Carols are banned but bounce back
Christmas carols were banned between 1649 and 1660 in England by Oliver Cromwell who thought that Christmas should be a solemn day. (Cromwell also abolished the monarchy.) When Protestants, inspired by Martin Luther, took to the joy of Christmas carols, many had to flee Europe under pressure from the Catholic Church. They took the Christmas carols with them to their new homes across the world. In 1649, John de Brebeur wrote the first American Christmas carol, called Jesus is Born.Fortunately, in Europe, when carols couldn't be sung in Churches, they found a stage elsewhere. The world's most famous religious play, the Passion Play, was staged in Oberammergau, Germany in 1634 (and has been performed every 10 years since). In the 1700s, the music by Mendelssohn and Hndel was adapted and used as Christmas carols.
http://www.didyouknow.org/xmas/xmascarols.htm
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